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Never once did I tell the OP "beat him up"

Geeeeeezzz I swear im on Mars. Okay, Bananasmile, pipe007 and bible belt is there nothing you would fight over? What if your mom, sis or girl was in a bad mood and decided to get pissy to idk a plumber or electrician(very rude and her fault) cause he did a bad job and he got mad and spat in her face? Would you do nothing? What if you were on a date wit ur girl and I walked up and put my nuts on her plate? How about then? What about if I said something dirty about your mother’s fat puccy while you were standing right there? Where would you say “enough“ and stop me? I believe Future Spartan and Sloag understand where im coming from. Its not about winning/losing or being tough its about setting a boundary and protecting yourself best you can from assault (physical, mental and emotional). Never once did I say "beat him up"; It was meant to be interpreted "tell him to stop deliberately flirting with your girl while he knows yall are dating, that pure disrespect, and you will do something about it in an assertive manner". Its both their fault. They both are accountable, We already concluded dump shawti so there aint no point in beating a dead horse.

I’ll address Bananasmile separately; Ack notice how no matter how much I disagree with other poster’s points of view I never put anyone down, Ill have to ask that you show me the same courtesy and respect- please no personal attacks and name calling, it makes you appear pugnacious, argumentative and childish. Dig it, were venturing off on a tangent, since now were talking about bullies but defending yourself isn’t always about a level of intellect or spirit, sometimes its about nipping a certain unwanted behavior in the bud. Theres an old saying that goes something like this “when you see a harmless snake egg you crush it, so it doesn’t grow to be a giant viper that kills you”


When I moved from Philly to Camden NJ a few bigger, stronger and older guys “tried me“. I stood up to them, a few I beat, a few I didn’t, but they respected me for not being a coward and later on befriended me. In my HS yrs I was a bully (unlike the dance class guy who is just a disrespectful pimp). I wouldn’t let up on someone until they faced me. I was relentless. Its about defense and protection. Your missing the point Ack, its irrelevant if you can/cant beat the guy, you stand up for yourself regardless.

I didn’t run from the guy with the gun, I was in the process of visualizing curb stomping him until I noticed he was better adapted for survival in this particular scenario and it was in the best interested of my survival to not fight him on his terms. Would I fight him hand to hand, no doubt, but a gun or machete, no that would be a fools errand. I box and practice the art of jeet kun do, in my run as a martial artist I have fought guys that were better fighters than me, I didn’t get out the ring like a bleeding vag, I did the best I could do. If a guy came at me with a weapon I would try and avoid him, unless I had no choice then I would try and defend myself and survive, I mean that’s a pretty obvious answer.
 

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part of me kinda wishes i knew a few of these guys so i could bump into em while they are on a date, disrespect the female they were with as a quick social experiment to see how they responded. How much disrespect at the hands of another man will they would tolerate before they wanted the behavior to cease. Man im so curious......
 

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wow, this thread really turned out to be something full of some GREAT posts. thanks guys for all of your insight :)
 

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well someone much cooler... if you were to do that... I would first see how my girl reacts... if she stops you, but if she is trying, and she cant get away from you because you are being an a desperate A-hole

then situation changes and that's when the man steps in and gets into his animal killer mode.

of course that is what attracts women... we know.
 

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I think I understand where you coming from Someone much cooler

of course as a man, one should step in and defend your loved ones in case of emergency, or if someone is being disrespectful...

for me, I would step in if it comes to they point where my girl feels she has TRIED, she has verbally or even physically communicated that she wants him or her to stop that behavior, and then he continues...

then yeah, I would totally confront the guy, defend my loved one...I would find a solution first...

you are proposing this extreme situations.. in the OP's case, it is obvious to me that the girl likes being groped by this guy... she has not stopped him in any way!! and that pissess me off, because she is at fault!.. she could tell him, slap him, tell the directives in the institute, of sexual harassment complain... she has power in this situation, and she hasnt used it..

BECAUSE SHE LIKES IT

if she was helpless, and SCARED!, and she told me and I knew she is telling me because she feels violated... then trust me, I would take action inmediately.
 

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phew I was seriously losing hope Pipe007, to be honest ill have to say I respect you more since you were able to admit a view other than yours was possible. I made the extreme situations so that everyone could realise that the primal instinct is still in em, it just takes differant things to bring it out. The girls feelings dont matter. She is an inatimate object in this instance. Its the same as if the dance class boy saw the OPs in his cafe and walked over and ate right off his lunch tray, and then said to the OP "No meat for you today lil homie-u eat vegatables." You would lose face if you didnt address the situation properly.:box:
I agree where your coming from; your saying to not over react and blame place. I agree with you that she is at fault, no argument that shes unfaithful but you see she must be dealt according to her crime-adultury/unfaithfulness=Nexting and ostrisicing.
His crime is differant, the closest i can get it to label it a "relationship tresspassing." He came in to the ops house, opened the fridge, had his girl make a sandwich, left crumbs on the couch, played his xbox and didnt shut the door after he left. My bottom line is disrespect cant be tolerated. Back when I was in HS i would have disrespected the OP to no limits, no matter how it was ratinalised-the only thing that would make me back off would have been him showing me his "true colors" were yellow. No thug, no goon, no rude boy or wat ev-just be a man and stand up for your self. Let you hairy boy decend.
 

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Someone Much cooler said:
...in my run as a martial artist I have fought guys that were better fighters than me

What a coincidence! Me too. But I was the one who chose to step into the cage. I was not manipulated into fighting illegally on the street by a flirtatious girlfriend. If you go into a rage every time that your woman rubs her t!ts on some random guy, then it is she who is the one in control. That's the point - who's in charge? If you try and fight every guy that your girl flirts with, then she owns you. However if she knows that she is easily replaced, then she won't put you through that bullsh!t.

I have great respect for all my fellow students of the martial arts and wish you nothing but the best. But don't cheapen yourself and your training by being dragged into fight for something so petty as a woman.
 

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Nothings a coincidence Ack, i included that info about myself for you. I remember you, u jus dont remember me. I got in the cage, the ring, the mat, in the streets and a few playground. I got into martial arts as a tool of survival where i grew up. My knee strikes, arm bars, joint locks, take downs and throws are all my arsenal and tools-like a cats claws.

The girls is an replaceable variable in this example. Its not about discipling or rage or manipluation. Its about commanding respect as a man. Lets put it like this for you BB, your in the cafe and I walk over and eat the meat right off ur lunch tray, and then say "No meat for you biblebelt, u rememind me of a female, and females diet and for now on u jus eat vegatables." I did this in front of everyone and continued the behavior, how many meatless meals would it take for you to cause a change in my behavior?

you took you younger sis out to a movie for her bday and i checked her out, then I said something dirty about her plump puccy while you were standing right there? Then i sat near you and continued making vulgur comments till she was near tears? As a martial artist, when would u put an upward elbow strike against my mandible, and "adjust" my behavior?


you ever see a lion and a croc fighting? It wont happen because to predatory carnivors respect each other territory even if they are in the same enviroment. HS is not diff, 2 real men co-exist.
 

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Hey guys, I have a quick question.

Thursday is coming up, and that's when she has her dance class. She hasn't danced in 2 weeks (was a break) and nothing's happened in those weeks.

My question is, if she tells me she's been groped AGAIN (3rd time in that case) by that guy (or whoever) and didn't react/do anything about it, what do I do? Right now I think I'm gonna say "Huh, I thought you were different baby. Let me know when you take our relationship seriously again," and then I'll just walk away/don't contact her. I won't take any more disrespect from her.

(Reason I ask is because there's two camps on this site; one advocates being firm and setting boundaries, and if they're crossed the girl is nexted; the other camp builds upon non-reaction and having the attitude of "so what he groped you? hey look a flying squirrel! (translated as: I'm a nonreactive cool-headed bastard and I don't care if other guys touch your holies!")
 

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dude, this is your serious LTR girlfriend, not some girl you are trying to game at the beginning stages of pickup....

Man up dummie.

Soon enough your girl will be known as the girl who guys can grope anytime anywhere they want, and you her boyfriend.... sad!

you already had this talk...
if it happens again, tell her, and what did you do?
and watch, if she didnt confront him, slap him, told someone in charge, and walked away... then you go no contact....

you can't ignore Sh1t like this.... grow up and stop listening to dumb kids who all they think is be cool nonreactive.... wtf.
 

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crashdietguy said:
My question is, if she tells me she's been groped AGAIN (3rd time in that case) by that guy (or whoever) and didn't react/do anything about it, what do I do?
FACT: It will happen again! If not this time; then some other time. If not by this guy; some other guy.

If you can't handle it - then it's best you next her now! Just tell her you're not feeling the relationship anymore. No need for any other explanation.

You cannot FIX this problem without compromising your self-stated boundary.


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Right now I think I'm gonna say "Huh, I thought you were different baby. Let me know when you take our relationship seriously again," and then I'll just walk away/don't contact her. I won't take any more disrespect from her.
No need to play that game. That's exactly what it is, a game.... You're saying, "I cannot be with you unless you stop doing this." Which is essentially you giving her the power on if the relationship is going to continue. It's a weak/passive-aggressive way to end a relationship.

I understand, that ideally - you want your no-contact/threat to make her realize she's losing you, but that's unlikely to happen. What's more likely to happen if you say the whole "get back to me when you're ready to take this relationship seriously" is she'll run to this guy and say, "my boyfriend broke up with me because of you." And if he's any kind of player at all - he'll do what i do and turn it into sex with her.

So if you're going to next her in this manner - NEXT her completely! No half-assed "if you're ready to come back to me and be a saint - i'll take you back."

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grow up and stop listening to dumb kids who all they think is be cool nonreactive.... wtf.
dumb kids?

no one is saying you shouldn't have boundaries or that you shouldn't have expectations of your LTR.

but trying to talk to a woman about her "actions" and how she has to fix them, is pointless and dumb! even more so when she's young (and/or has low-self esteem). All it'll do is make her lose attraction to you!

if you ultimately can't handle the way a woman is acting - no amount of talking or reacting is going to change her. Your only recourse in a situation where you have no idea how to handle it - is to next.

Strong actions when a woman sh!t tests you:
- Don't care
- Next her (if you can't handle it)

Weak actions when a woman sh!t tests you:
- Yell at her about it.
- Try to correct her (make her see "the light" through logical discussion).
- Cry about it.
 

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Thanks for the replies!

So by not caring, you mean like...

GF: "That guy touched me again!"
Me: "Oh yeah? Like this? *poke/grab/whatever*"
GF: "Yeah, blah blah"
Me: "I can see why he likes it, you have a fine ass. ;) Hey babe, I wanna kiss your lips"
GF: "What? Aren't you irritated? Don't you care?"
Me: "No I don't care. Now gimme a kiss"

and so on. If she's really looking for a reaction, like she's digging really hard for a reaction, and I'm not reacting, that's a good thing? Please describe a situation similar to this and what you'd do bukowski_merit. You have a sound reasoning.
 

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well I guess some people here can handle or just can ignore the fact that they have a girl who is constantly being tit grabbed by dudes....

I couldnt... wait, I just would not have such a girl as a gf.
 

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You handled this the right way. But I need to point out a couple of things.



crashdietguy said:
I think it's great that she tells me about these things right after they happen, but they keep happening. I don't know why she can't tell him to stop - my girl has a temper and can easily tell people off if they bug her.
This should be a red flag right here. A woman that is truly offended by something will not continue to let it happen. Especially if she has a history of being assertive. Think about it for a second. Back in your AFC days, if you had repeatedly "accidentally" touched, fondled, or groped a girl you liked, how would she have responded? She might have let it slide the first time, but by the second or third time, she would have either put you in check pretty quickly or would have just stopped talking to you completely.

If it's continuing to happen and she's asking how you feel about it, she's getting something out of it. She likes the attention. Which means it's going to keep happening until you put your foot down.



crashdietguy said:
This guy is fairly popular at school - good-looking, plays the guitar and hangs with the popular crowd. He knows we're together (we've been exclusive for 5 months soon), seen us in school and undoubtedly on Facebook. I also know for a fact that my GF has been looking through virtually all his photos on Facebook.
This is a bigger red flag. Why would she sit there looking through this guy's Facebook photos if she was upset that he was violating her boundaries? Why would she be looking through his photos anyway if she's with you? She's clearly interested in this guy. It's just a bonus to her that she's also able to squeeze a little jealous attention out of you for self-validation. You have two options here. Either put this girl in check right now or walk away. Because she's disrespecting you.

Here's the thing. Pretending not to care works fine when there is no commitment and neither of you is strongly invested. But you guys aren't casually dating anymore. You've been exclusive for 5 months. You're in a committed relationship now. Is this the kind of behavior you're willing to put up with from your girlfriend? Where is your self respect, man?

You should never be afraid to assert yourself against disrespect. She should hold your relationship in a high enough regard that she doesn't want to lose it. If you're more afraid of losing her than she is of losing you, then she has the power in the relationship. Which means it's only a matter of time before she leaves anyway.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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crashdietguy said:
GF: "That guy touched me again!"
Me: "Oh yeah? Like this? *poke/grab/whatever*"
GF: "Yeah, blah blah"
Me: "I can see why he likes it, you have a fine ass. ;) Hey babe, I wanna kiss your lips"
GF: "What? Aren't you irritated? Don't you care?"
Me: "No I don't care. Now gimme a kiss"
That's actually not bad. What you could expect with this is:

1) Her to get turned on by you not caring (aka: she see's it as you not being insecure; see's you as strong, etc. which makes her horny). Which leads to some wild sex, and the temptation of being with the another guy fades some (for now)...

2) Or she'll throw the accusation at you that you don't care about her! This is mostly a congruence test as a result of you failing previous tests (which makes her sense that you're putting on an act.) She'll say, "If you're not jealous, then you must not care about me." Or something similar.

woman: "If you're not jealous - that much mean you don't love me!!!"
man: "I love you enough to not let you feed me your bullsh!t."
then escalate to sex asap...


If she does 1 or 2 - doesn't matter. I can pretty much promise you that she will test more in the future.

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I honestly, don't encounter this problem very often anymore (when i was younger i encountered it a lot). Mainly because women find from the offset that im almost impossible to make jealous. In the last 4 years - i can think of 3 times i got heated about jealousy based situations. But in all 3 cases it was because the woman was clearly trying to TOOL me... For example: I was once with a woman who had told me about a guy at work who was trying to get her to come over her house because he had a home gym, blah blah blah... Was clear to me she was trying to read my response... She said, "I don't like him, but i can tell her likes me, do you think it would be wrong of me to go over there? Would that be leading him on?" - - - Don't remember what i said, but it was something that subcommunicated that i wasn't dumb nor did i care.... About 2 weeks later - she brought this guy up again, and was then asking for advice on how to get him to leave her alone (which is BS! She just wanted to "innocently" inform me i had competition.) Then she did something that crossed the line with me.... She gave me her cell phone and showed me a conversation between him and her. She gave it to me to show me that she was not leading him on. When i looked at it (which i in hindsight shouldn't have done) I saw her clearly flirting with him! Like he asked her to come over, and she said "I don't think that's a good idea; that could be trouble"................. CLEARLY SHE WAS TRYING TO TOOL ME! So that was it! Our time ended; no lecture about how she should act; just a simple "I'm moving on".... Not because of the competition, or her trying to make me jealous; but because she was trying to fvck with me.

To be honest: This woman is very close to "tooling you" level; so if it escalates much more past what it is (such as he kisses her or rubs his c@ck on her or they go on a date together or something) - next INSTANTLY ("im not really feeling this relationship anymore"). Then move on....



crashdietguy said:
If she's really looking for a reaction, like she's digging really hard for a reaction, and I'm not reacting, that's a good thing? Please describe a situation similar to this and what you'd do bukowski_merit. You have a sound reasoning.
What you wrote above is not bad at all...

"Be unreactive" is taken too literally sometimes. It doesn't mean sit there silently (although sometimes that's what i do when the sh!t test is so silly that all i can do is look at her funny). It means DO NOT react in one of the 3 ways i outlined above. You CAN react; but not in a weak way; not in any way that tells her you're scared of competition.
 

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@Nexus - And that's all fine & dandy but how exactly is he going to "put her in check"?

Fact is, these red flags aren't a sign that things are going wrong, they're a sign that things have long since gone wrong.
 

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Nexus Polaris said:
You should never be afraid to assert yourself against disrespect.
The only way to aggressively assert yourself against disrespect is to NEXT! (don't care if it's a LTR or a wife.)

Sitting a woman down to...
- tell her you feel disrespect...
- to ask/tell her to stop...
- to tell her that she's crossing the line...
- to tell her if she doesn't stop - you'll dump her...
- to ask her why she's not stopping...
- to get the who, what, when, where, why and how; and try to fix that square into a circle...
- etc.

Will not work on so many levels; in fact, it'll make her much more likely to do whatever it is....

This is broad-based, and applies to wayyy more than just jealousy.




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If you're more afraid of losing her than she is of losing you, then she has the power in the relationship.
This is spot on though!

But talking to her about how her actions are out of line and unacceptable is showing her that you care more than her. Especially if she's not doing the same in return (not that it matters since she won't logically see that she does the same to you.) Nexting her, downgrading her (to a non-exclusive FB), or just showing her you don't give a sh!t - are all ways to maintain power.
 

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OP- Pipe said it perfectly. The girl is a secondary problem. listen bro in HS if i liked a girl who i knew had a man, an she didnt stop me& he didnt stop me...then whats the incentive to stop? u dont gotta drawl but jus check dance class boy. I swear if we were in school i would disresppect ur relationship until u manned up and ceased my behavior. Actually i would assume it was open game on all the females in your social circle. Your sis, gf, female friends ect. Is this what you want. reread my post...i mentioned nipping unwanted behavior in the bud.....this is where it applies.

bukowski_merit-wow so its gotta take him ribbing his **** on her for him to next her? my god!!!
 

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bukowski_merit-wow so its gotta take him ribbing his **** on her for him to next her? my god!!!
Hmmmm... Actually, I'd say if this other guy fists her, fvcks her raw, films a snuff porn with her, takes him out to a swinger bar, or sends her pictures of Brett Favre's **** - the OP should also next/downgrade her.

:moon:
 

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