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Hey guys, back in my AFC days it used to really bother me whenever a girlfriend would go out to dinner or hang out with her guy friends.

Now that I've gotten much more experience and confidence, it doesn't seem to bother me as much. Would you consider that bad?

Now to further clarify, this guy friend is a major AFC. He'll go shopping with her and take her out to dinner, but my gf always calls me to come over at the end of the day.

I know many people will just say whatever you feel is right then do it but...

What are the implications of your girlfriend having a guy friend that will do the aforementioned things above?

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Well, how did they meet?

If he isn't gay, I would still be suspicious of his motives. He may seem innocent to you and your girlfriend, but once she gets into an argument with you, she may weep to him and cry on his shoulder and usually women confuse emotion connection during rough times with sexual feelings.
 

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i always thought of it as a good thing. it shows you how much your girl loves you or how much you trust her. if she does ever cheat or anything then you'll know she was never meant to be with you. it's a good way to test their devotion to you. but honestly, most girls who are very in love with their man won't see any other guys at all or just on rare ocassions.
 

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Mixedlinks said:
Well, how did they meet?

If he isn't gay, I would still be suspicious of his motives. He may seem innocent to you and your girlfriend, but once she gets into an argument with you, she may weep to him and cry on his shoulder and usually women confuse emotion connection during rough times with sexual feelings.
But, how many guys on here have EVER nailed their oneitis by those terms?
 

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Mixedlinks said:
Well, how did they meet?

If he isn't gay, I would still be suspicious of his motives. He may seem innocent to you and your girlfriend, but once she gets into an argument with you, she may weep to him and cry on his shoulder and usually women confuse emotion connection during rough times with sexual feelings.
They met before we started going out. He was a friend of one of her girlfriend's boyfriend.

I never trust any guy friend's motive, I know he probably wants to hit that for sure. However I do not feel threatened at all since he is major AFC and I know that if my girl friend would cheat, it would definitely not be with him.

So to the fellow members that are currently or have been in a long term or even short term relationship... would this be acceptable to you?

I think I may have already messed up by not setting the frame that It's not okay to have dinner with some guy friend.

I know I've read a really great post on how to reply when she asks to become exclusive... "Why would you want to do that? Wouldn't all of your guy friends get jealous and not give you as much attention?"

Okay maybe not verbatim, but she did ask me to become exclusive. I only wish I had that line to tell at that time.

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Chance quoted above, "but honestly, most girls who are very in love with their man won't see any other guys at all or just on rare ocassions."

How many would agree on that statement?
 

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GhostWriter said:
They met before we started going out. He was a friend of one of her girlfriend's boyfriend.

I never trust any guy friend's motive, I know he probably wants to hit that for sure. However I do not feel threatened at all since he is major AFC and I know that if my girl friend would cheat, it would definitely not be with him.

So to the fellow members that are currently or have been in a long term or even short term relationship... would this be acceptable to you?

I think I may have already messed up by not setting the frame that It's not okay to have dinner with some guy friend.

I know I've read a really great post on how to reply when she asks to become exclusive... "Why would you want to do that? Wouldn't all of your guy friends get jealous and not give you as much attention?"

Okay maybe not verbatim, but she did ask me to become exclusive. I only wish I had that line to tell at that time.

P.S.

Chance quoted above, "but honestly, most girls who are very in love with their man won't see any other guys at all or just on rare ocassions."

How many would agree on that statement?
Just my two cents, you sound like you're trying to be sure of what your girl will/won't do but there's a lot of underlying anxiety. How do you know for sure she won't nail this "AFC" guy. She's got history with him so watch out for that

And I agree with Chance' statement, but it's got to be heavy heavy infatuation, and the fact she's letting this dude take her out to restaurants and malls cuts her from the criteria of his statement, imo...
 

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its out of respect
I have made clear to my girl that I personally would become bothered if she ever attempted to go clubbing without me... let alone lie to me about it... she knows better that I would end the relationship on the spot and walk away.

she knows I can end the relationship if she gives me any kind of unnecessary drama, and I MEAN IT....

therefore she would not dream of going out to dinner with some guy friend one on one... by themselves?? hell no... thats a deal breaker, I would walk away if she doesnt drop that behavior like a bad habit.

i dont have a problem with her going out to lunch or dinner with her gfs or a bunch of people, but never one on one with one guy.

I actually broke up with my last ex, because guy friend got too involved in the picture and it was time to take action, so she couldnt end her friendship with said guy, so I had to end HER!.

now I met the right girl and its going smooth!!.. under MY terms

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I always get anxious when I learn about other men in my women-friends' lives. It's especially worrisome when it's an ex who is still closely involved with her and the kids.
I realize every time, these guys have become a support circle, and as long as she has them to turn to, it takes a lot of the burden off of me!
 

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bluenorther said:
I always get anxious when I learn about other men in my women-friends' lives. It's especially worrisome when it's an ex who is still closely involved with her and the kids.
I realize every time, these guys have become a support circle, and as long as she has them to turn to, it takes a lot of the burden off of me!
So I suppose this would be a positive implication of your girlfriend having a guyfriend. Oh and btw, she doesn't have history with this guy. I'm not in denial, because if she did then I wouldn't have been so lax about not letting her hang out with him.

However I think the majority has spoken. Since I didn't set my boundary when I should have, what's the best way to talk to her about this?

Something along the lines of... "I think we're getting somewhat serious and before I didn't really mind you going out to dinner with your guy friend. However what would you think if I went to dinner with Catherine tonight?"

Maybe one of those if you were in my shoes type of thing. Or hell, should I just do it? Then make her jealous and call her out on her behavior? Then come to a mutual agreement?

Let me know, thanks guy I appreciate you great advice.

P.S. To Marvin, I may sound anxious but she always calls me to come over at the end of all of their so called friendly date.

Regardless, I can judge from this thread that this isn't something a DJ would tolerate.
 

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GhostWriter said:
Something along the lines of... "I think we're getting somewhat serious and before I didn't really mind you going out to dinner with your guy friend. However what would you think if I went to dinner with Catherine tonight?"

This sounds kind of insecure to me. If it were me I would just show her that it doesn't bother me and even make some jokes about how cute of a couple they would be, jokes about the shopping, ect... AMOG the guy.
 

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Even if her relationship with this guy is harmless, it sets a bad precedent.
It establishes a frame where, in the future, she can go out with any guy that asks her out, or who she is attracted to. All she has to do is stick the "friend" label on him (to you), and you can't say anything about it.

Think of all the guys on here who would gladly be a FWB or a FB to this girl. Guys who use boyfriend destroyers. Guys who would sneak in under her radar and seduce her.

GhostWriter said:
Regardless, I can judge from this thread that this isn't something a DJ would tolerate.
A pure DJ probably wouldn't care because a pure DJ probably wouldn't bother with being in an exclusive relationship. But people define "DJ" differently, so that depends.

SharinganUser said:
This sounds kind of insecure to me. If it were me I would just show her that it doesn't bother me and even make some jokes about how cute of a couple they would be, jokes about the shopping, ect... AMOG the guy.
If you're in an good LTR, you shouldn't have to be AMOGing other guys. She shouldn't put you in the position where you would have to.
 

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There is a good post somewhere on how to set the frame right off the bat when she wants to see "guy-friends". Basically you let her do it stating that you will be going out or doing something (dont tell her what it's)possibly meeting other women.

The premise is that if you prohibit her from seeing these "friends" she will do exactly the opposite or even sneak behind your back. I ve tried this trick and it works.

Also I personally know at least two actual as*holes (not the alpha type) who use a superficial AFC - facade to gain access to women,to sneak under the radar (including yours),to isolate them, get them drunk, and then attempt to screw them. In other words, not everyone is completely AFC even though it may appear so.If something is smelling fishy, you have to stop it right there on the spot.
 

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zekko said:
If you're in an good LTR, you shouldn't have to be AMOGing other guys. She shouldn't put you in the position where you would have to.

While that is true, in a healthy relationship your GF shouldn't be going out for one on one drinks with her male friend.
 

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SharinganUser said:
While that is true, in a healthy relationship your GF shouldn't be going out for one on one drinks with her male friend.
That's what I was saying.

Not everyone seems to agree with that, however. A lot of guys think "What's the big deal? I'm the one she comes home to. I'm the big alpha male, she couldn't possibly be interested in her chode friend".
I notice most guys who take that attitude are either not in a relationship currently, or have women on the side themselves.
I would say if you're so alpha and she only thinks of you why is she going out on these "dates" with some other dude?

My take on this is simply that to be my girlfriend you have to meet certain expectations. If you're the type of girl who thinks that going out on romantic dinners with "male friends" while you're supposedly exclusive with me is okay, then you don't qualify. If you don't meet my needs, I'll find somebody else.

Mind you, all this is assuming it is an exclusive relationship, and not just some casual dating.
 

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GhostWriter said:
They met before we started going out. He was a friend of one of her girlfriend's boyfriend.

I never trust any guy friend's motive, I know he probably wants to hit that for sure. However I do not feel threatened at all since he is major AFC and I know that if my girl friend would cheat, it would definitely not be with him.

So to the fellow members that are currently or have been in a long term or even short term relationship... would this be acceptable to you?

I think I may have already messed up by not setting the frame that It's not okay to have dinner with some guy friend.

I know I've read a really great post on how to reply when she asks to become exclusive... "Why would you want to do that? Wouldn't all of your guy friends get jealous and not give you as much attention?"

Okay maybe not verbatim, but she did ask me to become exclusive. I only wish I had that line to tell at that time.

P.S.

Chance quoted above, "but honestly, most girls who are very in love with their man won't see any other guys at all or just on rare ocassions."

How many would agree on that statement?
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Now to further clarify, this guy friend is a major AFC. He'll go shopping with her and take her out to dinner, but my gf always calls me to come over at the end of the day.

If this guy devotes a disproportionally large amount of time with your girlfriend, it would be safe to assume he is trying to lay some pipe. Guys with their own lives will chill with women, but not at the expense of their free time. Example, i'd never skip a hockey game to shop with a one of my boys girlfriends...thats ****ing gay as hell. If its non-recurring, than don't lose a wink of sleep. If its even semi regular, assume he's into her ( but not the other way around). The more free time said guy spends hanging w/ the chick, the more you can assume he will be into her. The same thing happened w/ my last gf when I left the scene. One of the guys ( who is cool and hang out a lot with her group) tried to make a move as soon as I was out of the picture. Nothing came of it when I was gone, so its likely your girl isn't even into this guy.

Most guys act upon simple premises. Most go for what they see, lower their standards when applicable, and generally will act out of self interest. Its not all the time, but judging from my post about friends acting on impulses, its safe to say that many are at least interested in such prospects even at the risk of friendships. I guess I always assume they are. However, if your women is into you, than you have nothing to worry about.

RT's model is the one I want to emulate in my next stage of life. I would almost expect my gf/ LTR to remain in contact with friends and guys even long into a relationship. I think this is extremely healthy. However, it is within my right to continue to hang around women much the same way if I see fit. Yes, guys can have women friends they won't go after - i have had many! RT's situation is unique to many men because he is always around temptation, and his wife knows this. Men stuck in cubicles have no options, especially in my field.

Not everyone seems to agree with that, however. A lot of guys think "What's the big deal? I'm the one she comes home to. I'm the big alpha male, she couldn't possibly be interested in her chode friend".
I notice most guys who take that attitude are either not in a relationship currently, or have women on the side themselves.
I would say if you're so alpha and she only thinks of you why is she going out on these "dates" with some other dude?


Here is the problem with this line of thinking. EVERYONE thinks they are better than they are, and that EVERYONE ELSE is worse than they are. In reality, looks, status, money etc are closer than imagined, so its very possible for this 'chode' to be interesting to said women.

Even if her relationship with this guy is harmless, it sets a bad precedent.

It depends. As I said if its regular, than yes. If she can't handle her own medicine ( going out w/ other women), ditch her. its not worth playing these types of games. The only games I play are on sheets of ice, on a court, or on a rugby pitch. period. BOOM!
 

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GhostWriter said:
Chance quoted above, "but honestly, most girls who are very in love with their man won't see any other guys at all or just on rare ocassions."

How many would agree on that statement?
MOST women will only remain that loyal to a man as long as the psychosis of love is still alive.... Once that wears off (and it will) - all bets are off. The wrong guy with the right "game" can throw even the most devoted woman off her angelic ways.

Doesn't mean you should worry about it much; the problem with forbidding women from doing something such as "having a drink with a guy friend" is that: ONCE YOU FORBID A WOMAN FROM DOING SOMETHING - YOU'VE JUST MADE IT TEN TIMES MORE TEMPTING! (and we all know how good women are at resisting temptation.)

If im talking to a woman who has a boyfriend, and her boyfriend finds out about me and tells her she is not allowed to associate with me anymore - i thank the gods in the sky and the boyfriend; because he's just given me instant access to her body and mind. Never fails...
 

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zekko said:
That's what I was saying.

Not everyone seems to agree with that, however. A lot of guys think "What's the big deal? I'm the one she comes home to. I'm the big alpha male, she couldn't possibly be interested in her chode friend".
I notice most guys who take that attitude are either not in a relationship currently, or have women on the side themselves.
I would say if you're so alpha and she only thinks of you why is she going out on these "dates" with some other dude?

My take on this is simply that to be my girlfriend you have to meet certain expectations. If you're the type of girl who thinks that going out on romantic dinners with "male friends" while you're supposedly exclusive with me is okay, then you don't qualify. If you don't meet my needs, I'll find somebody else.


Mind you, all this is assuming it is an exclusive relationship, and not just some casual dating.

Thank you Zekko. We just had a big argument and I left saying I need time alone to think.

I'm heading over to her place and I'm going to establish my boundaries right. Your last paragraph is exactly what I'm going to say.

Thx guys. Love you all
 

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