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GUNWITCH METHOD 3

Gunwitch method club.



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Hey everyone Gun here again…….

“Get ready for the mother****in new ****!”

A while back I set out to discover THE club/bar methods.

My Gunwitch methods and dynamic sex life book and audio course have taken street, party, social circle and otherwise non club and bar pick ups, to extreme new heights of success, success that many said wasn’t possible for street pick ups.

However there are many who do not like trying to pick up women outside of bars and clubs, which is a shame in my book, but more on this later.

Through many years now, and recent fresh new strategy and analysis, in bar and club scene, as well as training guys to do bar and club pick ups I have developed some mindsets, action plans, tricks and tactics that will increase your success dramatically.

I had originally planned an in depth archetype of each club type and how to game her. As I looked back over the years and hit the club scene again with fresh analysis I realized however that one does not need to be that thorough, one only must understand some key points to take their success level in clubs up a few notches.

Most of this is for use in LARGE club and bar venues with lots of people and live or DJ music.


Lets get started in this.



First off we need to checklist the “OF COURSE” ****. Things from my books and audio, things from ANY source you must have down for this more advanced material to work for you.

You:

Dress normal or even flashy or whatever. Basically you aren’t looking like a dork for your own personal niche and venues.

You know women dig sex and want it. Either by logic or experience you know this.

You are relaxed around women physically and outcome wise. In other words, women do not put you in to a nervous anxiety state and you are not obsessed with ****in EVERY chick, and realize this is your SEX LIFE, not a quest to **** EVERY chick.

Do not eject, you get rejected. You don’t run off from dead spots in conversations with women, you realize it is natural; you can stick in there. ESPECIALLY IN CLUBS AND BARS. Women in clubs and bars often have a knee jerk reaction to being approached. Sometimes this knee jerk or automatic reaction is to clam up and let you do the talking, other times it is to be a little bit snotty or make a verbal quip. Whatever the reaction though you must be past ejecting, on your end, and GET rejected before you will move on.

Finally you have the ability to sexually project and vibe, or get attraction rather than rapport going. Even more so if you do not understand the difference between attraction and rapport do not read any further.

The basics above are good enough to get you a good 1 in 20 club/bar women you approach in bed. That is not the goal of this here club method though. The goal here is to get a FULL understanding of the advanced methodology of the club beyond these common volume (“approach enough ya get one in bed”) methods, just as I did for daytime, street, and social circle game.





Right off we will discuss YOUR state and how it alters when you enter a club or bar or packed social event.

CHAOS FACTOR:

“I know all this stuff when at home but when in field it doesn’t come out”. – 95% of club pick up artists.

First and foremost you probably realize that you read stuff like this online or listen to audio or analyze women and get a GREAT strategy, you have it figured out and go out in the field with it. BOOM that is all gone it seems? Eyes are on you? Women aren’t like they were in your mind and in your strategy or the materials you have absorbed?

“This is the really real world!”

Surely it is different. In model? In facts? In logic? No, but in that you have entered an altered state of mind compared to when you took on the models of things in the comfort of your home and relaxation.

OR

The material is real, but when you took it on mentally and how you are at the moment in this social place/club are quite different.

The thoughts of :

“Hell Gun isn’t a great looking guy and he ****s women the same day he meets them, I can also, I just need to act different than I usually do!”

Turns in to a feeling of

“This chick is moving around, **** her eyes met mine, what did that mean, Gun is little black letters, her, she, she, she is real, should I go tell her some jokes and play the clown like I usually do, that is at least comfortable”

Not good. I am willing to bet you do just this. You fall in to the same old behavior patterns of failure out of desire to be comfortable, to feel in control.

As I mentioned in Dynamic Approach Often times a guy will lock up and refuse to approach women at all because he associates it with the anxiety of not knowing what to do in a female presence. Habitual failure is what it is.


The way to reframe this is a simple 2 step process:

1.Realize what is happening. Realize your own self and state right then and there in the club or bar. Realize that what is true, and logic, and fact is always true, no matter what your state of mind is.

2.Realize the women and other people as FIRST individuals and second as similar to others you know. Some chick standing there seemingly alien and unlike you is JUST AS NORMAL as your last girlfriend or chick you laid was BEFORE you met her. Realize that she is in fact herself also in an altered state of mind just as you were until you realized it, because of this massive social scene.

As corny and children’s novel as it may sound “Strangers are just friends you haven’t met yet” comes to mind.

Actually try imposing the image of a friend or lover on to strangers in the bar. Imagine them as they may be once you get to know them and how different they are from regular day-life in this place.

Basically realize you are in a jumbled chaotic state, but yet truth is truth, of what works and what does not, and also realize others are not in this state of mind.

Much like that movie the matrix, they have not freed their mind of it and are still a part of it. You however are not, by simple virtue of understanding this first concept.

Next we naturally move on to drinking and pot smoking and other drugs in clubs and bars. MANY advocate not doing this as a pick up artist, and for good reason. When you take these drugs and booze in the club you enter ANOTHER collective of sorts. You enter a collective of those not able to even consciously realize the chaos factor because they have clogged and cluttered their mind even further. SO MUCH so that they in fact get point 2 of the 2 points of chaos factor done away with. Others seem comfortable, YET lose all ability to realize and understand their own states and habits of failure to a degree BEYOND even someone who is sober.

At some point when you have gotten out of the habitual failure you can easily drink some beers or smoke a bowl and handle this, but not until then.




Next we will talk about THEIR states when they enter a club or bar and how they alter.

Of course instantly we know that women are not the same person upon entering a club in their current state as they are normally in day-life.

What states may they be in? A million!

SO the main key is rather than reading her state:

TARGET SELECTION:

NOTHING is more important in cutting down on failure and increasing success than selecting the right women to approach in a bar or club.

Right off we have the obvious ones.

If she looks you in the eyes or gives you ‘vibe’

Or if she is totally alone in the place.

Right here I will talk about some less obvious ones though:

1. women that are ACTUALLY interesting and attractive to you. DROP the ego. You are NOOOOOO pick up artist or player by any means if you do not get this. Stop thinking you are or that you should be and able to pick up ANY woman you see. This is not how things work. The “best” club and bar guys tend to report 1 in 20 success rates, because they ignore this factor. They do not approach women based on desire to really run their best controlled game and **** her, but instead out of desire to “have her” for their ego.

Many advocate approaching instantly within a few seconds of seeing a woman. As a new guy just getting out there this is fine. If you need to rely on spontaneity in order to have the balls and logic of mind to approach women then you are by no means advanced. You should be able to screen your targets for ease of pick up and actual attractiveness to you before approaching, or you are not in control of yourself enough to do much more than ever get 1 in 20 or so.

This “Approach everything to be a pick up artist” deal does not work for many reasons. First of all if you are running amok in the club or bar approaching everything in site you are not in control and focused, your chaos factor will be still on high. Second you cannot relate basic sexual vibes and a good party vibe to the women with a mindset of “looking to cure the boredom of life so I am in a club”. You cannot relate to them at all, you are already thinking of your next approach before this one starts in this kind of rampant “run around approaching women” state of mind.
 

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SO LOOK at the women. If I have to tell you not to leer at them, stop reading this. Overall though KNOW WHO you are approaching, watch her and check her out some before hand, get a sense of her mannerisms, facial expressions, eyes and features. Not to sound new age crap, but get a sense of her energy before you approach her, so it does not throw you when she turns out to be something unexpected. Also get a good look to ensure she is someone you could sexually vibe with, don’t notice she has a rotten front tooth 2 minutes in to the approach, look her over and make sure you REALLY want her before you bother to go in.

2.She just walked in the bar. LEAVE HER ALONE. It is possible to meet her instantly and stick with her and end up closing the deal later on. BUT this is WAY harder.

You see in clubs and bar scenes ATTRACTION is king, NOT rapport. “Hook ups” happen, not “pick ups”. You DO pick her up, but it must be far more naturally done than a day time pick up in normal settings.

Also known as, she is there for a reason in a club or bar. She probably thinks “hmm it would be nice to get some **** tonight” but she also is out to party and have a good time. Unless you can provide more of a good time and party vibe from the time she walks in until the time you close her than the venue can, WAIT a while.

When you approach women and ask them to dance do you sometimes get:

“I am going to talk to someone right now”

“Right now I am getting a drink but maybe later”

“I have to go put my coat away”

Deer in headlights look and “what who are you?”

This is because she hasn’t even gotten adjusted to her initial chaos factor. Hasn’t “gotten in the groove” yet.

WAIT for them to get settled in. Someone else scoops her up meanwhile, trust in the fact she will eventually blow him off for the other more exciting things going on in the venue, unless he is more of a party than what the venue offers her. This will happen the exact same with you scooping her up as soon as she walks in.

Again this is not chickens running around with their heads cut off we are playing here. Lay back and be cool and relax. Make sure she is settled in the place before rushing her, and if she does happen to get scooped up by another guy, SO WHAT, it isn’t your soul mate wife and lover, again drop the ego, play the game, don’t let it play you.

3.She is settled in. This may not mean seated and sitting there having a drink. It could mean she has started dancing or her and her friends are looking around the club etc. It just means she hasn’t just walked in the place 10 minutes prior.

These type 3 women are standard approach fodder. Wait until they get alone for a few seconds to approach them.

Women dance in packs, go to the bathroom in packs and go get a drink in packs. At some point the get alone however, more on this later.

The main key is, once she is alone, swoop in do minor conversation and attract her enough that when her friends come back she wont let them ****block you, OR move her to another area.

The place is LOUD. So long conversations and opening lines or statements are not a good idea. Standing and yelling in a “chick ear” is not congruent with normal rapport. Club rapport is different, but needs to be kept similar SOMEWHAT to normal rapport.

On street or daytime or normal venues I will simply ask a few short questions, get her seated someplace and then probe her for conversation based on pop culture like movies, tv, psychological analysis of people and celebrities, or music etc. As of course this is no club or bar, she came out to shop not party and you are a bonus of something fun even just being totally normal and being in her presence, compared to the rest of her day.

In clubs I have found the “chop chop” method of conversation to be best:

DO NOT WORRY that these lines aren’t instantly attractive or interesting, the point isn’t to get her to **** you with the first things out of your mouth. It is to SHOW, rather than tell, her a party vibe and not seem like some boring long-winded ear yeller. When you get in to thoughts and analysis of things right off the bat that are too in depth they may not be interesting to her, so your success rate goes down.

You: Busy tonight!
Her: yeah
You: Did you see that weird guy dancing out there?
Her: no I didnt
You: What are you drinking?
Her: screwdriver
You: EEEWWW YUCK VODKA!
Her: what!?
You: Hit the bar with me I will show you a kick ass drink instead

CHOPPY CHOPPY with a real upbeat fun vibe. No structure or thought to the conversation, and nothing long and in depth.


You: Why you wearing a backpack in here lol?
Her: what who the **** are you?
You: hey did you notice that guy earlier with the thong underwear and lowcut jeans?
Her: No
You: Come check him out ya just gotta!

Ignore ****, “it’s loud and I am an old man I can’t hear everything!!!!!!!” And move on to the next random thought in your head.

You: (do the “hover” like in my book and audio course)
Her: (notices you standing near her and looks at you instead of the dance floor she was watching)
You: Check em out, they all watch each other peoples feet and try to copy each other
Her: hey I do that
You: that’s cause you don’t know how to cut off what ya see and feel the beat instead
You: Check it out (as you square up with her and grind together guiding her hips with your hands) close your eyes and feel it (whispered in her ear).

May sound scary the last one, but as I mentioned you have got to have your confidence and first basic **** down to make use of this.

Main key is as mentioned, very “up party vibe”. Like “the star” from my course.

If a chick has safety circle of a couple of friends, maybe the 2 of them go to dance with 2 guys, you move in and she has just become bored, BOOM you are the up party vibe she feels like she just lost and gets sucked in to the new vibe.

Imagine those 3 interactions above with good eye contact you smiling and having fun swaying to the music a bit and really overall upbeat. It works great doing the “choppy” “whatever is on your mind stuff” IF you have the party man vibe and good confidence backing it up.

At this point you can go dance with her, or go sit someplace quieter and run standard attraction game like my dominance to get her matching and then sexual state so she matches that materials. In many cases in a club or bar setting you need to mix the “UP or party man” state and the masculine in order to achieve a dominant frame for her to start matching. You need to fine tune it as a lot of times “masculine” can start to mean “stiff” which doesn’t work well for her desire to have a whirlwind of excitement.

Next is figuring her out a bit better with slipping these 2 questions in someplace:

These can be done at the bar as you show her a cooler drink, or on dance floor or wherever you moved her to.

“Do you come here often”!? Tongue in cheek totally, shoot her a look like “just kidding with a pick up line”

In asking this, even joking in a witty manner, she herself desires to answer someone witty back and will give you some information. Which lets you figure out if she is from the area, if she clubs a lot etc for some other archetypes I have figured out.

Also

In redneck voice, if in quieter area, tongue in cheek also or if loud dance club you can just ask it outright.

“You from these parts, where are your friends”

Answers and what they tend to mean but not ALWAYS:

You: You come here often

Her: Anything witty said back, MEANS an intention to get a rapport or a rapport already in place with you

Her: I never go out hardly anymore since I had kids/got married/started working long hours, MEANS an intention to get laid of some sort even if she doesn’t know it yet, stick to this chick like ****ing glue and you will get a lay!

Her: Yeah I go out all the time blah blah blah

The blah blah blah is : I just love to dance/I am a party girl, MEANS usually she is typical north American club rat style and you need to do some test touching immediate to gauge her attraction, as you don’t really have much of a shot here at ****ing her unless she is physically attracted instant, so you need to gauge her immediate attraction to save time, if it is good hang in there, otherwise stick with her, but look for other options and check back with her over the night if no hotter prospects get going. Also if NO- blahblah, and she just says “yeah I got out a lot” assume this is the case.


The bla blah is: “I have never actually been out to a club”, MEANS she is new to all this, invariably will end up hooking up with someone and not think much of it, again stick to her like ****ing glue, suck her in to your party vibe hardcore, act VERY candid and normal towards her so as not to spook her with her first “club fake act” and then close her as I will talk about later.



Next the answers to “You from around here where are your friends”
 

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Her: I just came out cause I am from xxxxxxxxxxxxx on business/visiting my parents etc. MEANS of COURSE this chick is looking for an out of town fling. You can just party with her and dance a tiny bit and ask her to leave with you, always how it is. I assume because these women know there will be little or no accountability for any sex that goes down.

Her: Yeah I am from here all my friends are over there (pointing to a large social circle), MEANS keep her ass away from them if possible, get her dancing, if not dancing get her to dance, after dancing offer to show her something someplace else in the club. You MUST get her attracted enough to you for her to not let them drag her away or ****block you once they hunt her down and rejoin the 2 of you. Once they do rejoin the 2 of you it is also nice to have already sucked her in to your circle of wingmen and friends and your party vibe.

Her: Yeah I am from here I don’t know where all my friends went, MEANS also great, stick to her like glue. These chicks in certain social groups like this who are all over the place never talking to each other are GREAT cause they rarely ****block or interrupt anything, you basically have a lone woman with no friends almost.

Once you determine the “type”, or rough type she is of the above-mentioned, act accordingly and it is a pretty good formula if you have your attraction game and basics in place already.

4.End of nighter chicks and closing for all types by party vibe.

Sometimes you get nowhere, no one gets anywhere and it has come to the end of the night, or chicks and guys who have been there and are still there as the place closes. THIS is the time we all as men from all skill levels come together to help each other out (and punch each other out some nights). Every ******* in the place is scrambling for phone numbers from women they met throughout the night. SO any women from earlier whose friends interrupted you and a chick are busy with end of the night stuff. No one that is still there that late wants it to end, or they if bored would have went home earlier.

BOOM you pounce on old targets with:

“hey me and my friends are having this after party deal you should follow us”. Say this even if you don’t have an after party and are just going to go drink with your buddies, listen to metallica, eat chilli dogs and smell each others farts until 4am. We ain’t ****in saints here, LIE and tailor it to the occasion when you get a carload of chicks to your place!

or if alone “We didn’t get much of a chance to get to know each other and party, lets hit my place and have some drinks and listen to some tunes”.

Simple, but BEST I have found for end of nighters. They want some more stimulation, and if they don’t have a better offer and are even mildly attracted will tend to come back with you maybe half the time. Which by FAR beats out getting their number and calling them the next day or 3 days later etc. By then they are hung over, or looking to go out next weekend and don’t want to drink, or are shy again from sobering up etc.

Other closing.

There are 2 types you need to close WAY before the club shuts down.

1 is the out of towner with no friends as mentioned above.

Second is what I call bored chicks.

These women are in a nutshell there with lots of friends, party vibe is jamming in the place, but they are just sitting there seemingly bored as ****. Their friends also leave them alone. The reasons here I have found are always similar. Usually this chick is married, hasn’t hooked up in ages cause she never goes to clubs and guys outside of them are too ***** to approach her when sober. This makes her more interested in sex than the party vibe, YET makes her seem like she is standoffish and bored with everything and prevents guys from approaching her THERE.

Second her friends know this and by simply being chicks know the code of ****blocks and lone women being easier prey, so they leave her the **** alone!

These women need very little party vibe and very little attraction game even. They simply need you to ask them some questions, volunteer some information about yourself and then ask her:

Hell let’s blow this joint and go have some drinks at my place and listen to some good music”.

I have just recent in looking for and doing these had them say “let me get my billfold”, to “I can’t but give me your number and I will call you” (which I thought was bull**** but she did call and we ended up ****ing, and it turns out she was with her sister in law, or husbands sister at the club that night).

Many times these bored women seem standoffish or like they just aren’t having any party vibe or game you throw at them, but they in fact are just like a frustrated wallflower guy who is so sexually deprived he cant loosen up and have any fun and is ONLY there to get laid.

On a side note a great strategy if you are one of those guys, and want to really get with it and be able to party and give off a party vibe, is to go out with the intention NOT to get laid. Take the pressure off and go learn how to have a really good time without thinking of women and what they are thinking and what they are doing. Just go let loose and get in touch with your “Keith Richards”.

Do this a few times and you will start to notice women noticing you and your party vibe, then try the more advanced approaches and closing.

Back to closing

Finally with the regular club fodder type of chicks, closing them is simply a function of when you have become more of the party vibe and attraction to her than the club has. This takes some fine-tuning and after a few rounds of getting them stimulated this way you will notice it well. This is the point where you try to get them out of the club with you. You can use simple lines like the ones above for trying to get them someplace else with you. Hell you have become sexually AND excitement wise more to her than this club or bar, so offering her time alone with you AND a benefit of good tunes and free drinks will work.

You may encounter ****blocks at this point from her friends.

The solution?

There is no good workable one.

An OUNCE of prevention is worth a POUND of cure.

Meaning if she is attracted enough and sucked in to your vibe enough she will leave with you regardless of her friends objections. I have had women tell their friends “don’t be a slut” or “you don’t even know him” etc when she goes to tell them she is leaving with me, but always they leave with me anyways, because I don’t suggest it UNTIL she has shown me with her eyes and smiles and touching me that she is more attracted to me than the place.

On a scale of 1-10 you need like a 6 in attraction to beat her friends 8 or 9 in rapport, for her to tell them to get bent and leave with you anyways.

Some guys get phone numbers instead of trying to pull her out of the club the same night, but that’s just poor pre planning and lack of calibration, as well as desire to mentally masturbate or impress friends that they got a phone number.

You ignore regular venues and go in a club to sustain your sexual appetites and desires; you have to be ruthless and precise. No farting around.

We aren’t in amateur land at this point gentleman we go for the jugular and strike while the iron is hot!

OTHER GUYS:

A big topic that comes up a lot of times is other guys.

Say some dingbat with farts in his brain interrupts you and your new lady friend as you are running your game on her in a club or bar setting.

A simple method from my book and audio I use is this:

NEVER enjoy his vibe at all. He is way up and party guy? He is a dork. He is telling jokes and being funny? He isn’t funny at all, you don’t even grin or smile.

YOU surely cant get sucked in to ANY mans vibe or else she of COURSE will get sucked in to it also. Which isn’t productive at all for you.

Here is what I do and you should try:

Make some sort of noise to get his attention then stare him down with eye contact as he engages her and shifts to looking at you. When he looks away she will most likely look at you, you then lock eyes with her, turn to get facing away from him and at her and roll your eyes as if to say “what a dork” “what a weirdo” “what a sleazy guy” in mannerism and face, put your arm around her waist and say “oh hey I gotta show you something” back in party man vibe and direct her away from him.

Works every time and never starts any **** with the guy.
 

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FIGHT TIME!

What about when the **** goes down?

I get asked about this stuff all the time. Guys will be out having fun; no fault of their own and some guy will start **** with them. Some guys from other more flamboyant wild methods than my own have been pistol-whipped, punched out and slugged from behind.

I get asked a lot of this stuff cause people know I am a former bouncer, lowest of top level boxers and martial artist.

The first thing I always tell guys is to avoid places containing giant large crowds of drunk men. If you TOTALLY want to avoid fighting and bull**** or any chance of it you just have to stay out of bars and clubs in general.

Anyone who tells you there is no such thing as fights, “punkings”, and beatings at bars and clubs hasn’t been going in the WRONG places. VERY upscale places, or places with very good security don’t have a problem with this, the other 999 of 1,000 bars and clubs do.

One cannot be fully taught to defend themselves by text alone, but I can give you some strategies for if it comes up.
Right off the bat you if going in bars and clubs need to be in fighting condition of some kind. At least do some upper body weightlifting and hit a heavy bag/punching bag some to figure out your best power punches.

The textbook way to throw a punch isn’t what we are interested here.

In clubs when **** goes down you usually don’t have a lot of room to move, and grappling up on purpose is out of the question as if a guy already punched you, you want to get your licks in before security finally gets there and breaks it up as you try more complex grappling maneuvers. You also want to end **** fast and stun or knock the man out, in case security doesn’t get there rapidly and it goes “the distance” of a full minute or so.

Most knock outs are based on short arm powered punches anyways, regardless of what boxing trainers and martial artists will tell you. Putting your weight and legs and pivoting in to the punch is ideal, but not needed or as fast if everything else is in place.

First basic logic is you MUST knock the aggressor unconscious. A man shot in both legs, eye ripped out and in severe pain from a ball bat across the ribs can STILL kill you or hurt you. NEVER rely on a man to be pain compliant. Most bully types and fighters aren’t.

A sleeping man does NOTHING. Also if you use some stupid ass lock and break someone’s arm or ankle, or gouge their eye out you are gonna have to answer for it, even if they attacked your first.

So it is not as effective, more dangerous AND less socially/legally accepted to try to hurt someone.

“ Hit them in the throat, kick them in the balls, kick their kneecap out” are all fine ways to cause a novice fighter pain, scare them and make them give up.

They are also fine ways to scare the **** out of an experienced brawler yet leave him able and wanting to fight HARDER out of fear.

Ask anyone who advocates **** like this how many pissed of hardcore boxing gym training, 250 lb, sons of terd farmers they have used it on. Always none. You have no way of knowing if a man may be a pissed off boxing terd farmer, assume he is.

Kicks above the waist to the head in a club setting in spontaneous attacks are also no counter of any use.

SO we need a nice power punch and strategy for knock outs.

1. The best punches are straight out punches and long circular hooks using shoulder, bicep, tricep and chest muscles. PUNCH HARD. This isn’t a video game or Tv show you are watching, you gotta nail it hard. I cant count the amount of even big guys I have been hit by who punch like little girls cause they put no force of will and muscle behind it.

2.You need a TIGHT fist, as this is your weapon and if it is loose will bend the fingers in on impact causing less of a jarring motion to the mans head and possibly popping your knuckles our or breaking them for lack of full support from the other fingers. SURELY I cannot count the amount of loose fists I have been hit by that though thrown by powerful punchers weren’t tight enough to cause a good impact. Test loose hand vs TIGHT hand hitting an open hand and you will see the difference.

3.Punch THROUGH not at. Gonna go a bit for the science geeks here: A knock out is caused by a pivoting or snapping of the head strong enough that it makes the brain smash against the inside of, or even rub against the inside of the skull. This causes an instant overload to the nervous system and a shock like effect to the body. SO hitting IT does nothing, you must displace the head fast enough for the brain to touch the inside of the skull.

4.HIT THROUGH THE CHIN. Following principles 2 and 3 hitting the chin is best. The chin has a nice tuft of fat on it that will stop your fingers and knuckles from breaking, it also is THE best pivot of the body.

5.Ability to realize you are hit, not hurt is a massive factor also. When a guy hits you or shoves you or grabs you, realize this is not the end of it. Boxing, kickboxing, judo, jiujitsu are all great ways to learn than aggression does not mean submission by you, something the bar sucker puncher or agitator knows from experience.

6.Hitting a heavy bag/punching bag with “TIGHT, HARD, THROUGH, CHIN” in mind until you get a great sense of power from your hits is a key. Basically when you get shoved or take a punch instantly you think: TIGHT them fists, throw HARD punches, THROUGH the guys CHIN.

7.LEFT RIGHT LEFT until he drops or you do is also a must. You cannot hit the man and then stop, see if he is ok, or if it’s over, block incoming punches and resume. Anyone who tells you different has a stupid sensei or self-defense instructor or has been watching too much TV.

As I said actual training is far better than this strategy alone. People always ask me though and I can now direct them to this instead of typing the above over and over.

Also with nothing else available or no time to train the above will serve you better than anything else strategy wise if some terd farmer decides to attack you.




RECAP:

Have your basic **** down. Clubs are like the final stage of a video game in your sex life.

Be cool, not cool as in awesome, cool as in relax and watch the place

Make sure your target is interesting and attractive to you; realize she is just a lover you haven’t met yet like any others have been when they were strangers. Despite her strnge state.

Wait until your target is isolated for a quick bit from friends to approach her in various styles.

Be choppy verbally, don’t think you have to be progressive from the first words out of your mouth until the time you stick it in here. This is a club, not a comedy or psychoanalysis encounter group.

Realize the vibe you give off, or the up state is what you wanna be showing, not yammering away at her all night and fixing her someplace and boring her. You just talk to not seem like an alien or like you are some weird ****er who popped a tab of X.

Ask her to get alone when her attraction to you is higher than the attraction to the place and higher than rapport she has with friends.

Realize that the club should be fun, rejections will happen and learning this is a process not a means to secure your sex life, but an addition to it.


The above is by no means my complete work. But people really seemed to want to know a lot of club specifics and even some about fights. In GWM1 and GWM2 and especially my Dynamic sex life book and audio (where I encompass both 1 and 2 plus a LOT) I explain closing once alone with a chick, attraction game, basic verbal methods, basic to advanced internal frames one can use and much much more.

The above is more of “MY usual way” club wise and what has worked for other guys who take it on.

Enjoy.
 

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Wow great post GunWitch. By far the best thing ive read on here in a couple months.
 

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Originally posted by Gunwitch
2.Realize the women and other people as FIRST individuals and second as similar to others you know. Some chick standing there seemingly alien and unlike you is JUST AS NORMAL as your last girlfriend or chick you laid was BEFORE you met her. Realize that she is in fact herself also in an altered state of mind just as you were until you realized it, because of this massive social scene.

As corny and children’s novel as it may sound “Strangers are just friends you haven’t met yet” comes to mind.

Actually try imposing the image of a friend or lover on to strangers in the bar. Imagine them as they may be once you get to know them and how different they are from regular day-life in this place.
First off, excellent thread Gunwitch. By that I mean this is A-grade material, and (hopefully) will find its way into practice by many people who otherwise wouldn't have known what they should do. About the text I've quoted, though. Are you suggesting that you approach them in the same mindset as if they were someone you formerly had a relationship with? If this is the case, the first thing that comes to my mind is that the attitude and dialogue between people who are already in a relationship is completely different than that of two people who aren't in one... especially at a club. While approaching a girl while in this mindset definitely would make you feel more comfortable about starting a conversation, I'm not sure that it would actually be beneficial to hooking up with them... Anyway, it's great to see you're still around and putting out quality advice; it's been a long time since anything of this caliber has been seen on the net.
 

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Re: Re: Gunwitch method 3 GWM CLUB!

Originally posted by diablo
First off, excellent thread Gunwitch. By that I mean this is A-grade material, and (hopefully) will find its way into practice by many people who otherwise wouldn't have known what they should do. About the text I've quoted, though. Are you suggesting that you approach them in the same mindset as if they were someone you formerly had a relationship with? If this is the case, the first thing that comes to my mind is that the attitude and dialogue between people who are already in a relationship is completely different than that of two people who aren't in one... especially at a club. While approaching a girl while in this mindset definitely would make you feel more comfortable about starting a conversation, I'm not sure that it would actually be beneficial to hooking up with them... Anyway, it's great to see you're still around and putting out quality advice; it's been a long time since anything of this caliber has been seen on the net.
Outside of clubs I always tell guys to "assume a rapport" (in 2 ways internal and verbal) based on talking about movies, TV, music, celebs etc. After a few light questions and getting slight interest back from her, they get her to sit down with them and talk, they then can ask what TV shows she watches etc and run from there with simple old "common ground".

This helps the women internally to see you as someone who is congruent with someone she already knows. As of course people tend to talk about this stuff. This also internally gets her feeling like you know the same people and events and places, based on the common ground pop culture topic you find.

IN CLUBS however of course this sort of long drawn out conversation topic will bore her and yourself. The main key of taking on the mindset that "she is someone like any other I have ever known, yet was a stranger at the moment we met" is for YOU internally and in what you will project state wise to her.

This is why rapport is generally harder for even advanced pick up artists to get in a club than outside of one, unless they are physically attractive,right off at first glane to her. LESS TALK.

In clubs this mindset however will relax you and help you stick in there better, and even relate better in the small fluff talk you do manage over the loud music and chaotic environment.

Bottom line, outside of a club you assume a rapport is already there internally and after a tiny bit of convo verbally also.

Inside of a club you only assume the rapport internally and project a fun party vibe to her from a place of this "warmth" and "we already know each other" vibe. Yet yes keep the conversation and interaction somwhat sane and realize you are strangers and need to suck her in to your vibe of fun, WHILE breaking the "ice" with some fluff talk here and there.
 

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Damn that post was big. Dead on with the Party state. However I have three remarks on this method.

The first one is on approaching when she is alone. This is an ideal situation that rarely occurs in clubs. What I mean is that their are probably only a couple of moments a specific girl is on her own. Your limiting yourself, by excluding a lot of opportunities, because she stands in a group. You can approach groups and isolate the girl. First thing to do is give the group attention. Then become the center of attention. This way you become part of the group, instead of breaking it. Now they will accept it if you isolate the girl of your choice. And this is just one way to do it (ie. wing tactics) I agree that some women should be left alone but not because they are in a group.

The second one is the way you seem to handle AMOGS. I guess it works for you but it sure is weird. If you have good Body Language and are talking to a girl, there's almost no guy who will approach her in the first place since they know she's yours at that moment. And reacting on the AMOG by changing your state is accepting his frame, breaking your own. I would never do that. If someone tells me something funny I laugh, I'm not going to be different just because of a girl. And I'm definitely not going to see some AMOG as a threat and react according.

The third one is this quote:

Originaly Posted by Gunwitch

If you need to rely on spontaneity in order to have the balls and logic of mind to approach women then you are by no means advanced.
Indeed the principle of this quote is correct. The quote itself however states that you should have balls and logic of mind. It's true that you should have balls (no comment), but it's absolutely wrong to have a logic of mind when approaching. If you use your logic mind you start a monoloog with your inner voice. This should be avoided at all times. Instead a truely advanced DJ/PUA can go on auto-pilot.
 

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Ditching the "get the number" paradigm

“We didn’t get much of a chance to get to know each other and party, lets hit my place and have some drinks and listen to some tunes”.

Simple, but BEST I have found for end of nighters. They want some more stimulation, and if they don’t have a better offer and are even mildly attracted will tend to come back with you maybe half the time. Which by FAR beats out getting their number and calling them the next day or 3 days later etc. By then they are hung over, or looking to go out next weekend and don’t want to drink, or are shy again from sobering up etc.
Makes sense. So-o-o-o-o many times I work up a killer vibe with a gal, and by the time I call her it's flat.

Sh1t, there's one gal I already know fairly well as an acquaintance who I vibe with amazingly when we're together, but I almost can't get her on the phone, let alone on a date. Yet every time we actually meet, she just about attacks me. Man, how the left brain will run the right brain into the ground, given half a chance! :rolleyes:

I've never thought in terms of getting gals out of the club once their interest in you exceeds their interest in the club. Still, I question the value of this in and of itself, being a relative statement. Her interest in you has to be above a certain level.

Nonetheless, having a gal's interest in me exceed her interest in the club's activity seems to happen a lot, though. Gotta have a go and see what happens.

You see in clubs and bar scenes ATTRACTION is king, NOT rapport. “Hook ups” happen, not “pick ups”.
In reality, anywhwere, except perhaps the bassackwards world of online dating.
 

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The first one is on approaching when she is alone. This is an ideal situation that rarely occurs in clubs. What I mean is that their are probably only a couple of moments a specific girl is on her own. Your limiting yourself, by excluding a lot of opportunities, because she stands in a group. You can approach groups and isolate the girl. First thing to do is give the group attention. Then become the center of attention. This way you become part of the group, instead of breaking it. Now they will accept it if you isolate the girl of your choice. And this is just one way to do it (ie. wing tactics) I agree that some women should be left alone but not because they are in a group.
If you are giving off a good party vibe and she is attracted to you, she will oftentimes approach you, or she will put herself in close proximity to you, hopeing that you will notice her. Everyone notices the people in the club that are having a good time, make sure you are one of them and girls will pick you up.
 

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she will put herself in close proximity to you
That's dead on.

Another thing I do, is make good EC and than go for the 2 Finger "Come hither". That move is so powerful. It works best when you already had some small talk. I just love to order them around :cool: .
 

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Gunwitch, great post! I just wish I had red this before December... So after two months of going out and exploring club/bar scene here are my random thoughts (as a addition to original article) and what I've learned (not everything complies with Gunwitch, but people are different).

First of all... the most important above all is: to go out just to have fun, to party like there is no tomorrow (but don't get drunk!!!, one or two beers is OK, not more).
All the guys are trying to score in clubs/bars and most of them are trying too hard and they get blocked by the ***** shield. You have to go under undetected. You have to project the party vibe. You are not there to start a date or score girls. You are there to party! Girls there are just to bring the vibe higher when you dance with her... they are sexual beings, but not to you... you just want to party!

And a strange thing happens then. The girls become confused. They are hot, almost naked, driving all the guys crazy when they look at them... but they don't get sexual attention from you. They become currious, they want to know what is going on. You become a mistery to be solved, a challenge.

You've approached, you are dancing with her and she will try to win you over. Just think... she could have any guy in the club, but you don't give her the attention she is craving... her ego is hurt and she wants to win you over to prove herself. This is why neg-hits work so well on hot babes.

And then you have the power. You run the game!

You dominate at all times. If she tries to challenge you you must stand for yourself. If she is not happy with this she is out.
They try all sorts of things:

- "wait for me here, I'll be back in a hour" (your answer: Have fun, I'll party on. C'ya.... act as it is not a big deal and grab another girl to have fun)...

- "wait for me here, I'll be some time with my friends/I'm going to say Hello to my friend/I'm going to bathroom"... (your answer: OK, C'ya.... now it is time to party on and have a great time even without her... to hell with her if she is not back in 5 minutes... you grab another girl and party on)...

- you've approached and she she gives you the eye, that nasty look meaning: How do you dare to approach to ME?... It is time to put her down... you give her a neg hit: "As I expected, all the girls with this amount of make up are shallow" (or something simmilar)... then you grinn and say: "I'd love to meet a girl that has a great personality too, not just looks"... then you see how it goes. There are all kinds of women in clubs. Some of them are bitter, unhappy, mean... do not be troubled with this. Be happy that she showed her personality so early and not 15 years latter :D

- never give her anything for free... going out is expensive and why should she get things for free??? Buying drinks just to get to know her - NO NO NO!!! Buying drinks after she kissed you, after she grabbed your but, after she rubbed her ass against your crotch - NO NO NO!!! You are not paying for sex. Period.

I don't remember any more things right now, but you can add them if you want from your experience.
The rule of a thumb is: "What you wouldn't do/tolerate for the ugly girl, you shall not do/tolerate for the pretty one.".

Remember: be dominant but keep it light, playfull.


Second... just guys - do not bring along your woman friends. They will interfiere with getting to know other women that you find attractive. Further more, the girls in the club/bar will think that you are not single.
The most important thing is to have good friends that will back you up if you get to fight. Fights in clubs are commonly 1 to 3+ guys... It is nasty to be alone against three guys.
Girls go out in pairs or three or more. If there is two or three girls pick the pretty one, and order other two to get to know your cool friends. It works like a charm :) becouse you've isolated a girl you are interested in and give your friends a piece of the pie. You come off as dominant, but not selfish. You get points with the girls and your friends.


Third... They are after the looks and status. (sory, but this must be brought up)...
They are the same as we guys. "Guys are visual, girls are emotional" - this is true, but you have a lot of trouble if you want to make her horny if you are overweighted. I don't say that this could not be done... but as I said... it will be a lot of trouble.
With a good/great body they will come to you for the most of the time. And the amount of effort to score will be meaningless :)

Popular belief on this board is that confidence is all you need to score. I must say that in my two months of clubbing I haven't seen anyone ugly and fat that would pull hot babes. One exception to this rule are the golddiggers... but as I said: NEVER, NEVER pay for sex.

Good looking guys get enormous ammount of attention. Some are born with looks, other have to do something about it. Right clothes, right hair (if you are bald - shave all off), going to gym regularry - it is simple.

High status and projecting alpha male image is another thing. It involves enormous amount of work and dedication. It is a big difference if the girl hears: "I am a doctor, lawyer..." or "I work as a pool cleaner". I do not say that any job is not respectfull, but that is just the way it is.


Fourth... just don't get stucked with one place...
Clubs and bars are different, go to many places in the start and find out what works for you. I suggest in the learning stage that you go out of your district and learn where people don't know you. Then return to your district as a King.


Just go out to party!
 

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Useful tips! To be honest I have never been to a club by myself. I jsut felt uncomfortible (and scarred to death!) with it.
 
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coincidentally I'm going out tonight and this post really really helps me out in what I did wrong last night and it was my vibe and wallflower mood that didnt get me p*ssy. Ill give it a shot, Gun
 
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