Giving off them 'desperate wannabe player' vibes....

[Luke Skywalker]

...is a by-product of reading e-books, listening to materials and trying out new stuff - that's not really you, but you think that by developing some topped up personality or arttificial version of yourself that you are actually sending off some kind of vibes out that are chasing women away?

If that is true, then it's possible the purchase and aborbtion of dating material could actually be doing more damage than good because:

a) You are starting out desperate since things are not working out for you.

b) You start reading/listening to BS that you cant understand, and what you can understand you change a bit here and there and lose a sence of who you authentically are in the process leading to them 'wannabe player vibes'.

c) Try to get a money back guarantee and yet again further failed material (usually you get it) and end up worst off then when you started because the very act of doing this screams out desperation, makes you feel desperate.

The bottom line is - has any material or stuff ACTUALLY worked for anyone on here - where they didn't have to apply for their money back - and I'm talking about authentic results - or do you think it actually makes things worst since you just see yourself as very desperate to go for these type of things and you start really giving off the wrong type of vibes?

 

[Last Man Standing]

Just approach a girl and see what comes of it - this is not a science project!!

 

[Obsidian]

as silly as I think Skywalker usually is, I think there is some truth to this post

dang, very profound

I definitely think this site can help you, but ultimately you want to be an improved version of yourself -- not a wannabe Mystery or whatever.

 

[Solarium]

You are a sum of your habits, an AFC is a sum of his old habits (video games, being fat, low self esteem). Being a DJ is merely a sum of his new habits (good body, high confidence, successful, suave, good circle of friends). You are not born being an AFC, you can change it by changing your lifestyle. Of course, Rome isn't built in one day...

 

[Obsidian]

video games aren't anti-DJ. I've known plenty of guys who were pretty solid with the ladies who played video games. And Pook himself supports the use of video games in moderation.

 

[xdreamz]

yea exactly i was saying this just a while back you don't need any of this stuff to make you successful

but it definately helps by helping you understand more about the way things are with women and people in general.

it sounds cheezy but i have used a lot of lines and techniques from mystery method, juggler, swinggcat and david d and they definately give me some positive results

it makes you look desperate when you're saying the lines but your tonality and your mindset and personality don't match it

 

[Dongfu]

I have found that being a junkie who has hit rock bottom, then successfully coming out of it can be one of the greatest ways to improve your game. I'll explain.

1. If you recover from alcohol/drug addiction, you have arguably overcome the most difficult challenge life has to offer. After that women are easy.

2. You have wasted away part of your life, and now you have decided you really want to live fully. You have no more time for hesitation and second guessing.

3. Addiction is real. Anytime you are being authentic, even negatively, it is better than being fake. Growth only comes from truth. Reading books and not dealing with your core issues will not get you far.

I'm not recommending becoming an addict, obviously, but if there are any addict/alcoholics reading this forum, the opportunity for success awaits . . . given you still have most of your teeth

 

[swifTy]

the way i see it, is that if you come from a frame where you think you are incomplete; that is, you have to learn xyz technique to be able to pull women then your in some trouble. Constantly thinking oh I must learn to do this, and i can not pick up girls until i have learned THIS, which then becomes i must learn THAT. Its all bullsh!t. You have what it takes right here right now to make it happen. Your already there. Sure you go on learning, of course! but the fact is you don't need to learn anything. Your just in a habit of thinking "just one more...just one more bit of knowledge and i will become superPUAman, you'll see, one more ebook and i will be unstopp-able haa haa". pigsh!t i say.

Like LMS says, u just go out and you pick up a girl and you root her. Simple.

 

[synergy1]

The bottom line is - has any material or stuff ACTUALLY worked for anyone on here - where they didn't have to apply for their money back - and I'm talking about authentic results - or do you think it actually makes things worst since you just see yourself as very desperate to go for these type of things and you start really giving off the wrong type of vibes?

it has taken, and will take years to break all the old bad habits acquired from the past. I don't give off bad vibes because I do what works for me, which is not step by step how someone else does something.

Play your game.

 

[ToughLove]

PEOPLE LISTEN UP:

I personally used to get tons of girls when I was an AFC....however when i did get ditched, i ended up feeling like a total chump and i used to get depressed and get one-itis whenever a girl wouldnt call me back or broke up or whatever

reading articles on sosuave, as well as 5 star tips (push/pull, gunwitch especially) has really helped me UNDERSTAND what i was doing right and what I was doing wrong, and helped me fine tune my game

sosuave = FREE

why the hell woudl you ever PAY for anything if you can get it all here for free on sosuave.com????

seriously, Gunwitch and Push/Pull are the most effective amazing peices of advice I ever read - applying both of those on 1st dates usually ended up with me having sex with the girl very very shortly later that day

 

[ToughLove]

AND

u gotta put yourself out there

go get embarassed and rejected 100 times ina row, thats your only choice, and lets say you are fully rejected 100 times streaight in 1 week.......guess what?? if you keep it up, in a month, you will NATURALLY know how to act better and get rejected less

if you do it for 3 months, after 1000 rejections, you will first of all have 5 girsls that DIDNT reject you that u ended up sexing, and you will also learn, from trial and error, what works and what doesnt

thats how I was doing it when I was 18-19 years old back when I was extremely inexperienced

 

[Heart Break Kid]

For once I 100% agree with LMS. Just do it.

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

You are a sum of your habits, an AFC is a sum of his old habits (video games, being fat, low self esteem). Being a DJ is merely a sum of his new habits (good body, high confidence, successful, suave, good circle of friends). You are not born being an AFC, you can change it by changing your lifestyle. Of course, Rome isn't built in one day...

Exactly, read my quote!!!!

Skywalker, everything you need to learn and understand is on this website!! Stop wasting money on all these books. It is ALL UP TO YOU whether you get a woman or not. Get your sh!t together man!

 

[vagrant]

i'm starting to wonder...does anybody have a photo of mr. luke skywalker?

 

[ToughLove]

YES his myspace page is in an old thread of his, gimme a sec to find it

 

[Luke Skywalker]

PEOPLE LISTEN UP:

I personally used to get tons of girls when I was an AFC....however when i did get ditched, i ended up feeling like a total chump and i used to get depressed and get one-itis whenever a girl wouldnt call me back or broke up or whatever

If you used to get tons of girls, then why would you feel like a chump if you got ditched or someone broke up with you if you had 10 other girls waiting in line? Something doesn't add up here.

reading articles on sosuave, as well as 5 star tips (push/pull, gunwitch especially) has really helped me UNDERSTAND what i was doing right and what I was doing wrong, and helped me fine tune my game

I guess it's just one little hidden information you were missing if you were like some sort of super popular AFC dude as you portrayed yourself to be.

sosuave = FREE

For once, you and I agree on one thing.

why the hell woudl you ever PAY for anything if you can get it all here for free on sosuave.com????

seriously, Gunwitch and Push/Pull are the most effective amazing peices of advice I ever read - applying both of those on 1st dates usually ended up with me having sex with the girl very very shortly later that day

Gunwitch only works on non-virgins - since I'm a virgin that advice is non-applicable since I dont understand 'bed room' eyes, or any of that stuff.

Push/Pull - I already know what that is, but it doesn't help if you are not getting a tonne of girls, but if you were getting a tonne of girls, and just learned these two advices great for you.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

AND

u gotta put yourself out there

go get embarassed and rejected 100 times ina row, thats your only choice, and lets say you are fully rejected 100 times streaight in 1 week.......guess what?? if you keep it up, in a month, you will NATURALLY know how to act better and get rejected less

if you do it for 3 months, after 1000 rejections, you will first of all have 5 girsls that DIDNT reject you that u ended up sexing, and you will also learn, from trial and error, what works and what doesnt

thats how I was doing it when I was 18-19 years old back when I was extremely inexperienced

Right - it's difficult to even find ONE girl to try something on - go to the mall, plaza and bookstore, and it's difficult to find any single unattached girls roaming around that you can talk to, and when you do muster the nerve to approach any girl, how much time is used up, 30 minutes, an hour, etc... problem is, I dont have unlimited time - if I spent 1 hour on working up the nerve enough to approach at least one girl a day, do you know how much time that will take?

Show me how I can get 1000 rejections in a time-efficient manner - and remember, that's 1000 screw-ups - you dont get a second chance.
Are you sure, you want me to go out and get 1000 rejections? Hello.

 

[Obsidian]

Ever heard of the three-second rule? Hello?

And your attitude is all wrong. A rejection doesn't necessarily mean you screwed up. And even if you do screw up, who gives a sh1t.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Ever heard of the three-second rule? Hello?

And your attitude is all wrong. A rejection doesn't necessarily mean you screwed up. And even if you do screw up, who gives a sh1t.

The problem with rules like that is it just doesn't work when it comes time to apply them. What ends up happening is you just give yourself a good excuse not to approach anyone as you keep passing the 3 second mark.

I mean, if you are asking for time or directions, then I can see a 3 second rule working there, but for anything else, I dont see myself going on a 3 second rule idea. Going up to someone and saying "Hi, there is something I noticed about you...." is too difficult to do.

Let's face it, before you talk to someone you want to have eye contact, establish some sort of non-verbal connection, scope out the area to see if she is with someone - like a boyfriend or husband or what exactly she is doing, etc... so you can feel enough nerve and confidence to do something that's within the context of the interaction.

3 second rule is fine - but when you freeze and watch time go by involuntarily, it's pretty frustrating.