Give up too easily to save face?

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I've noticed that way too many people on these forums like to use the phrase "next her!" over silly and often not so meaningful things.

I mean why are you guys so quick to end something and move on to the next girl (or hor as some of you call girls you aren't successful with)?

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but it seems like almost any girl problem people have here gets answered with "just next her!" How about working things out? Talking about the problem? Communication and honesty are important in a relationship. With any problem, even one that seems big, there are reasons behind it. If two people really care about eachother they will be able to talk it over.

I am not saying give into whatever b.s. she tells ya or yield to her when she has some issue, I'm just saying you have nothing to lose by asking her why is she doing something and asking her if she's willing to change or talk about that behavior so you understand eachother better.

And if you were about to "next her" you have nothing to lose by asking a few questions or having a convo about stuff. Maybe her not calling you for a week or forgetting to call you back was due to a situation at home. So instead of applying some rule "if she doesnt call back in x days 'next her!'", why not call yet another time and ask her whats up?

One time I was about ready to give up on a girl as she hasnt called me in a few days after several days of daily calls. I called her finally on my break at work the following weekend (she stopped calling around monday) and found out she had a fight with her parents and ran away and stayed with a friend for a few days, and that was a very emotional and tough time for her and she didn't wanna put me through that.

Yeah, that sounds like a rare circumstance, but I am sure that occasionaly if not often there are good reasons why a girl hasn't called back. Most people who take all of the advice on this site to heart would have never called the girl in my scenario above again and would've missed out on someone who could be fun to hang out with.

All of this leads me to believe is that in the effort of building your ego and confidence up a lot of people here become arrogant. Yeah, its a great pep talk to say "I am the man and everyone else sucks, bow down to me! I am almighty! Girls are lucky to have a chance to talk to me!" but lets face it, no one is perfect not even the girls, and if you truley care for another person you will give them a chance to work out their issues.

I wonder if this 'next her!' phenomena is a byproduct of DJs here being obsessed with the chase and not focused on the relationship?

Think about this seriously...

Most of us came to this website because we had trouble meeting and dating girls. So naturally we focused on step 1, meeting and asking out girls. In fact we've done such good jobs at learning how to pick up girls we have it down to a science. We all have our routines, our insider knowledge, tricks and tips for every occasion and nearly every situation collected and compiled in various threads. Heck, we even have a bible that teaches us the most proven and tested advice on how to pick up women.

But.........

big problem.......


Do we ever bother to study how to KEEP women?

I don't recall anything resembling a "relationship bible" that teaches us the next logical step: keeping women we like.

Sure there is a lot of relationship advice dispensed here, some if not a lot of it is very good. But still a lot of people here seem like they don't even care about the girls they meet.

Like Black Italian who raves about wanting to bang a chick who is engaged or has a boyfriend or whatever while bragging about how he can pick up 48 girls while I read my 48 Laws of Power book. (Sorry Black Italian, I needed an example! No hard feelings, eh? :D )

There are a lot more like him here too who say stuff like "I can go into a club and bang a diff chick every night!" and stuff like that.

I don't doubt that a lot of you can do this. Girls want d1ck, and someone has to give it to them, might as well be you. But do you really care about the girls you meet? Are they important to you?

It doesn't seem so, by the way people are so quick to 'next' them and pick up more. It seems like over the years the regulars here and even some newcomers have become obsessed with chasing and nexting, not keeping and certainly not caring. It seems like all this talk about getting girls to go out with them has dehumanized girls for some people here to the point where they are like commodities traded on an open market and not real people like you and me who have feelings, hopes, dreams, and desires.

It almost looks like guys are 'nexting' girls because they don't want it to be known that they don't know how to handle a difficult situation. Its like running away from the problem into familiar territory (the chase and pickup).
 

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it also depends on the girl

if you are dating some standard bych, a girl who plays 'the game' and knows 'the rules', then you should next her for even minor shyt

however, if you are dating a 'quality' girl, someone more intelligent, introverted, shy, or maybe a little quirky, then you should have more patience with her.

for example my current girlfriend has rescenduled dates a couple times. Now the DJs might say "next her", but i knew she wasnt playing games with me. She genuinely had something else important to do. So i had patience with her and now, weeks later, we are still going out and we like eachother a lot

the whole point is that you should never blindly follow the DJ rules, you should decide for yourself on a case by case basis
 

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if you are dating some standard bych, a girl who plays 'the game' and knows 'the rules', then you should next her for even minor shyt

however, if you are dating a 'quality' girl, someone more intelligent, introverted, shy, or maybe a little quirky, then you should have more patience with her.
I completely agree here, but the problem is many people who dispense advice on this site don't make that distinction and a lot of people who take the advice they read here (even non posters who just lurk) may take some of the advice here and make a stupid choice.
 

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the point we are trying to get accross to guys is, DON'T GET HANG UP ONE GURL, WHO YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN WANT (once you get to know her) Also gurls show some charachteristics that forshadow (big word for me) what is to come. Some guys get to hang up, and keep calling for months, while missing all the good opportunities that come their way. Why do you need to put up with a month of her games just so you can find out if you like her or not. I agree, in a relationship, PROBLEMS NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, or else. But all those problems in some whay show you what is to come. And if she is showing sines of being a gold digger, emotionaly ustable or just likes taking power trips, then you know, that it's not gona change any time soon
 

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I agree as well man. I came to this website a while ago, not trying to find "new chicks" but I'am trying to work on geting into a relationship with them and or keeping it. I can care less about banging different chicks, I've had my share of that fun at young ages of 15-16.

I'm really looking for someone I can keep, rely on that she will be there and have fun with. Not someone that oh yeah, I got her number, we talked, I played my Don Juan tactics, banged her, now I'm looking for the next.. Most of the advice that was given here, honestly hasn't helped me a whole bunch. Where's those how to get into a relationship tactics, making the girl realize you aren't a player? Maybe even some tactics on how to keep a relationship going, without making it become boring.
I don't need an Ego by picking up random chicks, banging them, I just want someone like a wifey I guess you can say?
 

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DON'T GET HANG UP ONE GURL, WHO YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN WANT
I perfectly agree on not getting hung up on one girl who you arent even dating yet.

My point is that once you have a girl and a problem arises and you come here looking for advice to keep your relationship fresh and going you just wont find it. This website embarrassingly lacks any relationship advice beyond obtaining a girls phone number and getting her to go on a date.

There is also some advice here on how to make it past the first few days and plot/manuver your way into her panties, but beyond that there really isn't anything.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of great minds on this board and some really good discussion, itd just be nice if we put our powers together and started pondering relationships and generating advice, tips, and even tricks for keeping relationships going for the long run.

As ReT points out, not all of the guys are just looking to score wtih a chick. Yeah, that could be fun of course, but some of us want more like a normal relationship.

We wont be young forever, so if you think DJing your way into a new girls pvssy every weekend is a great life style for now, what will you do when your birthdays keep creeping up on you and you start becoming old? You think you'll be able to pick up HB8s and HB9s when you're 35? 45? 55? Fewer single girls your age will be available and its just creepy for old guys like that to hit on 20 something year old college girls.

You will start realizing your DJ skills dont mean crap anymore and you aren't able to hold down a relationship just because you won't know how because you'll be so used to doing a new chick every week.

I think every guy should be equipped with the skills needed to keep a girl, so guys what do you say we start a little project to create something like a DJ Bible equivalent for guys in relationships?
 

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not all girls are relationship material. just because you are in a relationship with a girl, it does not mean she IS a relationship girl. there are a lot of people on these forums trying to have relationships with complete hos. they want a girlfriend so bad that they'll have a relationship with ANY girl that's mildly cute.

in other words, they have no standards, go into a relationship with the wrong person, then start having relationship drama. they come here, ask for advice, and people who can see the situation without the rose colored glasses tell them that they are dating a ho and that they should next her.

then people like you come and say "why you gotta say next all the time..."

you have to understand that if you are in a relationship with a ho, or a girl that has ho-like qualities, this isn't a problem you can fix, since you CAN'T change people. if you're in relationship with a ho, you CAN'T change her into a decent girlfriend. even if you do somehow, she will relapse after a short while and go back to who she was originally.

what you can do is, be more picky, and find a better girl that has relationship qualities.

in my book, it has nothing to do with saving face. if i seriously do not think that the girl I'm with has relationship qualities, why stay in a relationship with her when I can find someone else?

That's why you next!
 

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ya, some girls you have to next right away or they steal your interest. I was chaing an attention wh0re for a while, we set something up and she never picked up the phone the day of the date. I still tihnk about her, but if i had continued my pursuit, no doubt id have oneitis right now.
 

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in other words, they have no standards, go into a relationship with the wrong person, then start having relationship drama. they come here, ask for advice, and people who can see the situation without the rose colored glasses tell them that they are dating a ho and that they should next her.

then people like you come and say "why you gotta say next all the time..."
Well yes, some problems are not fixable like cheating and stuff.

But say the problem is the girl after 3 or 4 dates is caught by you checking out another guy at the mall or something. That doesn't necessarily mean she is a ho. After all a few dates in you still don't know each other very well and you can't expect her to not keep her options open or be lured by some hunk at the mall.

But if this happened a time or two, which I'd say is normal for people who aren't yet in a committed LTR, the advice would be "next her! she is a hor! she is already thinking of fvking other guys!". But that may be wrong. You can't tell me that during the period of the first few dates you haven't thought about or checked out other women.

Sure maybe you know its not good etiquette to do it in front of your date, but maybe she slipped up. Maybe YOU slipped up sometime too.

No one here knows the people we give advice to personally, at least not most of us since I know some of the people on this board see eachother in person to pick up chicks or whatever. But in nearly 100% of cases we also don't know the girl in question.

You can't expect someone who has feelings for a girl to objectivley assess a situation. Well we knew that, thats why they come here for advice. But on the other hand you also can't expect a person who has feelings for a girl one way or another to objectively convey all the FACTS objectively.

You can't build an accurate personality assessment based on a few loose facts that were hand picked by a non-objective party.

People tend to pick out the facts that fit their already preconcieved notions and sometimes we miss elements of something entirely as something we thought was irrelevant actually was but was skipped in the process of explaining the situation. (One example could be reputation, I notice a lot of guys don't post what kind of reputation the girl already has before they post the problem. If she already has a rep for being a hor, then we can narrow it down, if her rep is far from being a hor maybe there is more to the situation than we see)

A guy feeling confused and coming for advice about a girl he has been seeing that he caught talking to another guy at the mall while he was taking a p1ss in the bathroom and giving him her number might have omitted the fact that the said guy was a former classmate or acquaintance and they were merely renewing said acquaintance. Maybe he went ballistic or walked out and never found that info out for himself.

Yeah, some of that sounds pretty remote, but the point is we just don't know. What seem like Horish tendencies to us sometimes may be explainable by others.

Look at the following picture: http://www.big-boys.com/joke.asp?ID=1954

This is basically what I'm trying to say illustrated. What looks bad on the outside to random observers is fully explainable and actually not so bad when put in FULL CONTEXT.


And Last But Not Least

Do a very cliche psychological exercise. REVERSE positions. If YOU were the girl or if YOU had done what the girl did to you, would YOU want to be given another chance? Would YOU want the girl to forgive you? Would it mean you are a bad person and thus "nexted" or would you be able to confidently say it was an isolated incident?

How would it make YOU feel to be nexted for something like that, if it was something fairly trivial in the larger context of the relationship?

And most importantly, would you have continued this kind of behavior if given a second chance or would you learn from your mistakes? And in the past when you acted like a jerk to a girl or screwed up with a girl because of some impulse or action you did, did you learn from your mistake and changed your behavior or did you go about your merry way having learnt nothing?



Oh yeah, and Gimmey, did she have an excuse for not answering the phone? Did you ever find out what happened? It sounds like a very similar problem to my story I posted above in which I assumed the worst of a girl but turned out that she had a very good excuse for not calling.

Oh yeah, and lastly, are there any takers on a DJ Bible equivalent for guys in relationships? Is this a good idea to compile and come up with ideas, tips, etc. to keep relationships fresh and exciting?
 

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There is an entire section of the bible dedicated to long term relationships that contains some very good advice. This isn't hard to find.

I disagree with most of the "DJ" or seduction terminology in general including "nexting". These words are so misused and so misinterpreted most of the times that they are left with little to no meanings. To me, you do not next a girl who ignores you and doesn't give you her phone number. You also do not next a girl who you are friends with that you are pining over and never advance on. I dont think you can next any girl you haven't at the very least tried to kiss.

I agree with Mind though; too many guys are trying to date girls that aren't worth dating. It happens and since they are posting on this site they should realize they will be told that. It isn't personal or trying to be mean to people but some girls just are not worthy of a relationship. Whether or not the poster wants to hear it some girls aren't worth their time.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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haha

Me and GodsGift were talking and we try to maximize every possible lead. If he doesn't get anywhere with a girl he # closed, he'll give it to me and i'll try. I do the same for him. Its cool as hell cuz we don't care about any of them and we know we can get new ones any night.

But the whole "next" thing is for guys who get too hung up on one girl. Nexting may be the only way that they learn/maybe even get THAT girl (unlikely but may happen).
 

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Its cool as hell cuz we don't care about any of them and we know we can get new ones any night.
So whats the point of seeing them?

I for one came to this site many years ago because I wanted to find a girl I care about and keep her. So far I've had a few pretty decent relationships in which I cared for the girl and I'm currently seeing a couple of girls whom I also care about somewhat.

Isn't it unfulfilling not to care about someone you are seeing?
 

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I'm sorry Joe Dirt but I'm always on some real "F*** a B**** S***." Daily.

I've learned through my experience that allowing emotions to take over is the biggest detriment to my success with women. Look at how well it's worked for them when they let it take over.
 

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Well whats your definition of "success with women" then? Getting in her panties?

To me success with women means more specifically success with a woman I care about and want to spend time with.
 

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Success to me is not getting ****ed over because they think you're an AFC.

If you're still seeing multiple girls, don't think you're better than the rest of us, buddy. The only difference is that you've narrowed your choices down.
 

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Success to me is not getting ****ed over because they think you're an AFC.
I never said you gotta go AFC on them and start showering them with gifts and attention. There is a big difference between being happy in a relationship and being an AFC.

And no, I am not saying I'm better because I'm seeing some girls regularly, but the difference between you and me is that I *care* about the girls I am seeing, which makes spending time with them all the more worthwhile.

I have gone out with girls I cared nothing for and just went out with them because I either hoped to get some or I had nothing better to do and that is not nearly as satisfying than seeing someone who makes you feel good inside.
 

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Originally posted by MindOverMatter
not all girls are relationship material. just because you are in a relationship with a girl, it does not mean she IS a relationship girl. there are a lot of people on these forums trying to have relationships with complete hos. they want a girlfriend so bad that they'll have a relationship with ANY girl that's mildly cute.

in other words, they have no standards, go into a relationship with the wrong person, then start having relationship drama. they come here, ask for advice, and people who can see the situation without the rose colored glasses tell them that they are dating a ho and that they should next her.

then people like you come and say "why you gotta say next all the time..."

you have to understand that if you are in a relationship with a ho, or a girl that has ho-like qualities, this isn't a problem you can fix, since you CAN'T change people. if you're in relationship with a ho, you CAN'T change her into a decent girlfriend. even if you do somehow, she will relapse after a short while and go back to who she was originally.

what you can do is, be more picky, and find a better girl that has relationship qualities.

in my book, it has nothing to do with saving face. if i seriously do not think that the girl I'm with has relationship qualities, why stay in a relationship with her when I can find someone else?

That's why you next!
MindOverMatter is one of the posters on this board who cuts all the crap and comes with 101% accurate content, always.

AMEN.
 

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I'm going through this....

Met a girl, had a good first date. Great convo, kino, she smiled a mile. Only neg was when I went to kiss her at the end, she gave the 'hug head fake'.

I got her phone #, called her after a couple of days, left a message, never got a response.
Waited two weeks, called her again, left a message again, never got a response. Damn.

Oh well. I just got a raise, and I can now afford to date two or three girls a week.
:D
 

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I only read the first few sentences of your post..way too fvckin much to read.

anyway I think a lot of guys & girls want to save face by not talking about problems. No one wants to lose their dignity by facing the facts or ugly truth, by having someone else confirm it.
I mean sure there was some spark in the beginning but easily there was something you did that killed it perhaps or maybe its just her. By talking it over, you most likely will hear something along the lines of "it's not you, it's me." or some other poor excuse. Only the rare blunt girls would tell you the facts.

In the endless sea of women, there are many opportunities available. Regardless if the woman is playing games, doing one night stands, giving you the cold shoulder, or lost IL, most people in general would prefer to move on than hold the dreaded "oneitis" as many would like to claim, which is frowned upon here on these boards as an AFC.
 
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