Girls who put up resistance EVERY time?

[Zarky]

Wondering if any guy has ever run into a chick who puts up LMR (last minute resistance) every single time the situation moves to the bedroom?

I was just thinking today about a chick I went on 3 dates with earlier this year. The first was a 'house call'.. we chatted for awhile online then she invited me over to her place. We had a couple of drinks then moved into the bedroom. And then I had to talk her into having sex because she was so nervous. The sex was ok.

Second date was more conventional. We went out for a couple drinks, chatted awhile, then back to her place and there was LMR again. Got through it and the sex was fine.

Third date we went out for a walk with her dog, then I think we grabbed some pizza or something, went back to her place, had some vodka, went into her room and she, yet again, put up LMR. This time I was over it so I just rolled over and went to sleep. She didn't seem to mind.

Next day I texted her asking why the fork she always did that, and she said she liked a 'dominant man'... I didn't want to have to work that hard so I told her there would be no more sex between us.

To this day we're still pretty good friends, and she can't get laid. LOL. She's had one "boyfriend" since me and he bailed after sleeping with her once (she won't say why). She writes me emails on Friday nights telling me about her week. I make fun of her.

Anyway, just wondering if you guys have ever run into a chick who needed to be "taken" every single time you had sex. I personally don't like it. I like a chick who is ready and willing and excited to be with me. First time, I can understand that she may need to be talked into it to avoid her anti-slut defense. Fine. But not after that, no way. Especially when these chicks are in their 30s. I don't like to feel as though she's not into it and I'm having to talk her into it every time.

The reason I post this now is because I have a date tonight with a chick I had to talk into screwing on our first date (another thread). And I have a suspicion that it's going to be that way again tonight. And if I have to go through the "I'm not sleeping with you" "Well maybe just this once" BS yet again, I'm just going to leave.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

I don't know how much I can say about LMR. Only that I've never had it from someone I was heavy with, and rarely otherwise.

Sometimes a casual girl will throw up some crap, but you know you just have to diesel through it. They'll sometimes pretend to want a serious commitment from you, when all they want is to screw. But then you have to have a toss of anti-slut defense, to "keep you on your toes", lol.

The first couple times, I just get em excited until they jump me. Caveman later.

And the only time I talk about sex with women, is when I am heartily preaching about my **** or the size of her boobs. Get em laughing, make them slap you, escalate from there.

It sounds like you are "talking them to into it" and negotiating. What a buzzkill.

 

[Razor Sharp]

I had this problem too. It turns out that I was not teasing or warming them up sufficiently.

If you get a woman wet enough it will melt away her resistance to the point where she becomes the aggressor in the physical escalation and ends up begging for the c*ck.

The trick here is to have a great degree of self-control. Don't just slobber and grope her full-on with the same intensity for a long time. Hit her with some fire/passion and then pull back. Vary your pace/energy. Go intense and then switch it up with tenderness.

Handle her roughly with your hands while you kiss her softly and sensuously. Kiss her aggressively as you caress her body gently with your hands. It's all about the contrast, and rationing out the pleasure.

Most guys just go for the gusto..lips, breasts, ass, p*ssy. You have to be more subtle to get them worked. Go for those areas but don't focus on them. Rub areas that are NEAR them until she is practically pushing your hands towards them. A woman's erogenous zone is her entire body and to become a master in the bedroom you must learn to play her like an instrument.

The neck, back, inner thighs, solar plexus and rub cage right below her breasts are excellent places to tease her. Remember, two steps forward one step back. Escalate, then ease up and let her desire fill the vacuum that this creates. Before long she will be ripping your clothes off.

You can't negotiate your way into her pants with logical discussion. Let your fingers do the walkin as they say. If she still gives you the LMR, just tacitly agree with it and keep doing what you are doing.

HER: We shouldn't be doing this
YOU: You are totally right, lets stop *grope fondle kiss*

 

[jophil28]

I had this problem too. It turns out that I was not teasing or warming them up sufficiently.

If you get a woman wet enough it will melt away her resistance to the point where she becomes the aggressor in the physical escalation and ends up begging for the c*ck.

Bingo Bango ! ^^ Finally - an answer from a guy who "gets" seduction.

To Zarky, if you have to "talk her into it " you are not doing YOUR part correctly,and you are probably bulldozing her instead of guiding her.
Persuasive words are rarely necessary if you know HOW to seduce .

After all you are steering and amplifying the emotions of a woman, not trying to manipulate a jury with your booming voice..

 

[Kailex]

I once dated a woman who did the "LMR" everytime as a bit.
I found out it was an act and that it helped her "get into it". She liked a man who could take charge and overcome it... it seemed to turned her on.

In the end, I cared less about the LMR and cared more about the end result after plowing through it.

Some women like to play this game, others do it because they're just not "ripe" enough yet.

 

[Zarky]

I once dated a woman who did the "LMR" everytime as a bit.
I found out it was an act and that it helped her "get into it". She liked a man who could take charge and overcome it... it seemed to turned her on.

In the end, I cared less about the LMR and cared more about the end result after plowing through it.

Some women like to play this game, others do it because they're just not "ripe" enough yet.

Thanks, it's not every girl, just some. I think you're right, it's a script / role / game for some of them. Happened a little with this girl last night, not nearly as much as the first time. She's very neurotic about sex, raised Catholic. Desperately doesn't want me to think she's a slut, which of course makes me think it even more.

After we were done she was like "What if you go out tomorrow and do this again?" I said "Invite me over tomorrow and I will. She went "haw haw haw, that was a pretty good one."

She asked when was the last time I had sex, which I lied about (said a couple of months ago). She asked had I ever cheated on anyone, which I lied about (said once when I was 18 or some crap). She worries so much that she's difficult to get into the right state, and she snaps back into worry mode immediately. We would be screwing and she would go, "What do you like?" "What do you want?" "What should I do?" AAAAAAaaarrg. I hate that sh|t. And then afterward she cuddled me so tight I couldn't move the entire night.

And then in the middle of the night she bolts upright and goes, "I think I left my purse at [the bar]." So she gets up and searches the whole house and her car and doesn't find it. I offer to call the place, she declines. She frets for an hour about it, then falls back asleep. Then the next morning she finds it after literally 2 seconds of looking.

I can see a few more nights with this broad, but overall way too weird unless she loosens up immensely.

 

[Boilermaker]

I had this problem too. It turns out that I was not teasing or warming them up sufficiently.

If you get a woman wet enough it will melt away her resistance to the point where she becomes the aggressor in the physical escalation and ends up begging for the c*ck.

The trick here is to have a great degree of self-control. Don't just slobber and grope her full-on with the same intensity for a long time. Hit her with some fire/passion and then pull back. Vary your pace/energy. Go intense and then switch it up with tenderness.

Handle her roughly with your hands while you kiss her softly and sensuously. Kiss her aggressively as you caress her body gently with your hands. It's all about the contrast, and rationing out the pleasure.

Most guys just go for the gusto..lips, breasts, ass, p*ssy. You have to be more subtle to get them worked. Go for those areas but don't focus on them. Rub areas that are NEAR them until she is practically pushing your hands towards them. A woman's erogenous zone is her entire body and to become a master in the bedroom you must learn to play her like an instrument.

The neck, back, inner thighs, solar plexus and rub cage right below her breasts are excellent places to tease her. Remember, two steps forward one step back. Escalate, then ease up and let her desire fill the vacuum that this creates. Before long she will be ripping your clothes off.

You can't negotiate your way into her pants with logical discussion. Let your fingers do the walkin as they say. If she still gives you the LMR, just tacitly agree with it and keep doing what you are doing.

HER: We shouldn't be doing this
YOU: You are totally right, lets stop *grope fondle kiss*

I basically studied this as a textbook paragraph. Brilliant post Razor Sharp!

 

[Colossus]

I hear you Zarky, it does get old.

My last LTR did this at first. She was 30, Brazilian, and really liked to be taken. At first she would put up such strong resistance I didnt know if I should continue. Like she would close her legs and push my hands away forcefully---but she was still enjoying the encounter. Once I figured out what was going on I just straight up overpowered her and took it. She loved it, and eventually stopped with the hard resistance....although now that I think about pretty much EVERY time we had sex she did resist mildly at first if I initiated.

If this was happening with a hook-up though, at least after the first couple times, I would get annoyed and probably just stop. I dont need to d!ck around for 30 minutes just to get some average pvssy.

The contrast escalation technique---I dont know why but this is one of those things I've always done naturally. I'm not very good at talking them up, but once I get her isolated and we lock lips I can get almost any woman to give it up. The key is I'm persistent, but not pushy. Just like Razor said, you touch them in non-traditional places, make out hard, then soft, then back off. NEVER argue when she gives you verbal resistance---simply agree, turn the intensity down a few notches, then ramp it right back up. My personal favorite technique is to play some variation of "just the tip". Once they feel the tease of your c0ck just barely pressing against their pvssy, my man that is checkmate.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Lol, this is a good post and I enjoy the answers. I definitely would agree that escalation or enticement is not pushed well enough. Yes, I think there is "anti-slut" defense with a lot of women who maybe "want" something but have to fight against the voice inside of their head full of all of the social stigma and uncertainty. It is also very common in the rest of the animal kingdom for the male to really have to work to initiate intercourse--a female potentially takes a lot of risk, as the male can drop his seed and disappear, leaving behind a developing zygote and future hungry mouth.

Some of it might be instinctual. Every women is different. Maybe she was burned in the past and apprehensive. Some women are less comfortable with sexuality than others. These could all be factors. I say if you keep trying to use kino, keep trying gentle escalation, a woman who is into you will let you work through those barriers with you.

 

[drak_ool]

Next day I texted her asking why the fork she always did that, and she said she liked a 'dominant man'...

funny she mentionned that, I was just gonna say something along those lines.

A couple years back I was seeing a Thai chick, relatively fresh off the boat (i know you don't care for international "traditional" girls, but sounds like you ran into this problem regardless). Every time I had sex with her, she would act almost as if I was raping her. At first I wasn't sure what to do, but then it became fun in a role-playing kinda way. She definitely enjoyed being dominated.

I see your point though, if you're not really into that it can become a hassle to fight her off time after time after time... That's why I was hooking up with other chikcs on the side!

 

[squirrels]

I had this problem too. It turns out that I was not teasing or warming them up sufficiently.

If you get a woman wet enough it will melt away her resistance to the point where she becomes the aggressor in the physical escalation and ends up begging for the c*ck.

The trick here is to have a great degree of self-control. Don't just slobber and grope her full-on with the same intensity for a long time. Hit her with some fire/passion and then pull back. Vary your pace/energy. Go intense and then switch it up with tenderness.

Handle her roughly with your hands while you kiss her softly and sensuously. Kiss her aggressively as you caress her body gently with your hands. It's all about the contrast, and rationing out the pleasure.

Most guys just go for the gusto..lips, breasts, ass, p*ssy. You have to be more subtle to get them worked. Go for those areas but don't focus on them. Rub areas that are NEAR them until she is practically pushing your hands towards them. A woman's erogenous zone is her entire body and to become a master in the bedroom you must learn to play her like an instrument.

The neck, back, inner thighs, solar plexus and rub cage right below her breasts are excellent places to tease her. Remember, two steps forward one step back. Escalate, then ease up and let her desire fill the vacuum that this creates. Before long she will be ripping your clothes off.

You can't negotiate your way into her pants with logical discussion. Let your fingers do the walkin as they say. If she still gives you the LMR, just tacitly agree with it and keep doing what you are doing.

HER: We shouldn't be doing this
YOU: You are totally right, lets stop *grope fondle kiss*

Put this in the DJ Bible, someone, PLEASE.

As soon as I read this line:

"And then I had to talk her into having sex..."

I thought the exact same thing. I have never, NEVER discussed having sex with a woman. I have had them TRY to discuss it with me...but usually just shrugged it off with a grin and a "b**ch please" look.

You cannot turn a woman ON with logic. Logic and rational thought tells them NOT to f**k...there are so many risks to it, there is such a social stigma associated with it, for all RATIONAL purposes, they should not be here, with you. So if you try to use REASON, you will turn her off, not on.

They always say they can "only come in for a little while". They say you can't "get fresh with me". They say, "OK, but pants are staying on". They say, "I'm not going to do that tonight".

Then the next morning, they say, "OMG I NEVER do that on a first/second date! I'm not that kind of girl!"

Then the next weekend, they start calling you up begging for another "make-out session", sending you naughty pictures, wondering what you're up to.

Always when I'm at work, too. :cuss:

A girl's p*ssy is just like a guy's d*ck...it's got a mind of its own with wants and needs of its own. You don't SEDUCE a woman's mind, you DISARM her mind so you can communicate with and seduce her p*ssy.

 

[jtlancer]

My personal favorite technique is to play some variation of "just the tip". Once they feel the tease of your c0ck just barely pressing against their pvssy, my man that is checkmate.

Yes. This.

A girl's p*ssy is just like a guy's d*ck...it's got a mind of its own with wants and needs of its own. You don't SEDUCE a woman's mind, you DISARM her mind so you can communicate with and seduce her p*ssy.

And this.

Golden thread!

 

[Duffdog]

I seriously don't know what you are talking about. I have never heard of a girl wanting sex, then turning it down at the last minute. Females decide whether or not they are going to F you that same night within the first 5 minutes of meeting you. Everything else after the first impression is either "the time before he F's me" or "the time until I get to leave." It doesn't matter how well you "escalate" or whatever, she already decided what is going to happen when she first talked to you.

So, obviously you are doing something wrong or there is something wrong with you. Fix it.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Zarky,
At 35 you have crossed a few dry gullies,put her on the backburner....Girls like this get relegated to the Reserves in my Team.

 

[Zarky]

Dear Zarky,
At 35 you have crossed a few dry gullies,put her on the backburner....Girls like this get relegated to the Reserves in my Team.

Thanks, I'm definitely doing that with her. Funny the number of guys who've never dealt with a girl who is neurotic about sex. I move at my own pace and if that's too fast for em--they put out but b|tch about it--then tough. I've been with enough women who were down with sex at my pace that I'm not interested in the rest. It's just a chore. I bed 'em a couple times then "relegate" them as you say.

These always seem to be the same chicks who "want more" than "just sex." They've put out a couple times and then think that they can pull back and I'm still going to chase. Hehe, they're also usually the ones who have 3 dates a year.

Like last night/this morning I had a 'date' with one of my MLTRs. This chick was hot from the get-go, and last night made me come twice, and then sucked me afterward. A chick who sucks you after you've come inside her is a keeper in my book LOL. The neurotics wouldn't do it if I was paying them.

Some chicks love sex. Some chicks put out because they know the guy will bail if they don't. You can always tell the difference. And no it's not my job to convert them from the latter to the former.

 

[TheBucketOfTruth]

She asked when was the last time I had sex, which I lied about (said a couple of months ago). She asked had I ever cheated on anyone, which I lied about (said once when I was 18 or some crap). She worries so much that she's difficult to get into the right state, and she snaps back into worry mode immediately. We would be screwing and she would go, "What do you like?" "What do you want?" "What should I do?" AAAAAAaaarrg. I hate that sh|t. And then afterward she cuddled me so tight I couldn't move the entire night.

You're squandering a good opportunity here. This is one of those girls that will probably do whatever you want in bed. You need to be dominant and literally tell her what to do and she'll gladly do it because she's insecure and wants to make you happy and make sure she's doing a good job. Go into it next time with a different mentality and you'll have a lot more fun.