Girls love to create their ideal man

[becker]

Ok, so just wanted to bring this subject up again because I just had a thought today.

There has been a longstanding idea on this board that looks don't matter and it's more about the image. Ok, I'll accept that.

Now, here's the way I see it. Physical looks and image are what women look for, and they're not any different from men in those terms. However, here's the catch. A girl will find a good-looking guy who is a prick, and once she has him in her clutches, she will try to mold the guy into the personality that she wants him to be RATHER THAN go find an ugly guy who already has those character traits that she's trying to put into the jerk boy.

In other words, they're greedy. They want it all. If faced with a choice, looks trump everything. They deal with the other crap later. That's why they get hurt time and time again, and you wonder why she won't just leave the guy. DUH, it's because he's good looking, and she'd rather suffer and sacrifice her efforts to mold him than to leave him and find some other geek AFC who will worship her. They want to make the good looking guy worship her.

The worst part of all this is that people here make up these lame excuses like "oh, girls all like the personality over looks" and other types of statements of denial to basically make ourselves feel better rather than just face reality.

Sorry ugly dudes, but you're up sh*t creek when it comes to landing a super-hot babe. You may be able to get some average women, but the super-hot ones are not going to fall for you. I'm not saying it matters, because maybe you don't want THEM either, which is fine. Nobody is going to force you. I just want to get the point through because I hate it when people can't face the truth and have to find ways around it to cushion their ego.

 

[Champ1]

True...

You need to have the look to get the HB's attention, but you have to display the confidence that she's attracted to in order to keep it. Women will be drawn to an attractive guy, but she will leave him rather quickly and put him into LJBF's zone if he's a wuss! I have a bit of it all and get in good with all women by displaying my alpha male status to them. Women are drawn to it like flies! Remember guys, women LOVE confident men who take the lead. Works every time, guaranteed.

 

[Genghis Juan]

Interesting theory becker....

If a guy is ugly...he will cling onto the hopes that he can capture a women with all else he has to offer (personality, DJ skills, money, power, etc.)

But women ALWAYS try to change their men, regardless of his looks or other attributes. Its just their way of saying they have you. Everytime I've been in an LTR, this has happened. They nag and try to change your habits. Its just women being women. Its their way of making themselves feel special; "I've changed him".

In the real world and in my social circle though, I have seen ugly men with beautiful women, and vice versa. I have a friend who is a decent looking guy, with a BANGED up chick. It seems where ever I go, for every couple that is matched up in terms of looks, there is a couple that is unmatched.

I think the explanation for unmatched couples by looks is more complex than what you say...just an opinion though. There are probably alot of reasons, one of which may be what you said becker.

Some average looking guys have absolutely MASTERFUL skills with women. They're everywhere. Even on this board. Some masters here will tell you they are average in the looks department, but reel in Beautiful women.

Anyways, becker, if you are secure with your looks, and believe that you are a good looking guy, then there is no need to worry! I consider myself a good looking guy, but if I see some fat slob with a beautiful girl, I personally couldn't give a rat's a*s. I am too busy in my own world, trying to chase the women I want.

 

[Champ1]

Nice point Juan about LTR...

Women always need a project in their relationship. Even if the relat. is going great they have to throw a wrench in the mix to make drama. It's just the way women are. Their life has to be like a soap opera and dramatic or they get bored. It's a fact! You just have to not go along with their sh#@ and show them you are not an AFC and put up with their tests and manipulation, and you'll keep their respect. Be the MAN of the cave!

 

[Big Pappy]

Ahhhh. Becker, Becker, Becker.
Becker! I appreciate your perspective, but I disagree.

Am I some sort of Adonis?
http://www.agapos.com/14409/index.html?cc=0.9301256714065014&mode=image&img=4#gallery

Not likely. Am I incredibly wealthy? No. Just a simple geek. A graduate student in computer science. A 4.0 student.

I don't chase girls. They chase me. Hot girls do fall for me. Ugly girls fall for me. Even a gay dude fell for me. People like me because I tell them the truth and I'm funny. Sometimes goofy, sometimes sarcastic.

The simple algorithm to attracting beautiful women is to like who you are. Do you know how I got my last few girls? By walking into every room as the man to know. I own every place I walk into.
**** blocks? Not in my world. You know you couldn't possibly **** block a guy if the girl likes him enough.

So, ugly dudes, forget about what becker said. Yes, it's true, good looking guys have it easier. But, fear not. Big Pappy is telling you that you do have a chance. Be a good friend to all of your friends. Lighten the load of your fellow man. Give rather than recieve. With no expectations. You'll soon see who's worthy and who's not.

While you think about that, ask yourself this question: Why is it so important for you to score with a 9.5 rather than an 8.0? Are you not aware that as women age, their breasts suffer from gravitational pull, they get wrinkles. Think about how many different girls that you've seen giving blow jobs while you surfed the porn sites. Think about how many girls that you've kissed that may have just given a blow job to a guy earlier that night.

Heck, I kissed an off duty Hooters girl a couple of nights ago, got her number because I didn't want to take advantage of a drunken beauty at that time and went about saying my goodbyes to my friends. On my way out, I see her sucking off some guy in the corner. All in the span of ten minutes. Uh, no. I'm not going to call her.

Remember what Big Pappy tells you: If it's that easy, there's probably something wrong with it.

 

[becker]

Big Pappy, is that you with those glasses and receding hairline? Wow, you ARE one ugly bastard j/k. That one blonde Michelle is pretty cute, is she one of your women? You seem older than the other folks in the picture.

The main point I was making I guess is more along the lines that basically, an ugly guy maximizes his chances by shooting for someone in his general field in terms of looks. If not, it will be quite a struggle, and I guess I'm in the belief that a girl will put up with a good looking guy despite any personality faults more than she will even give the time of day to the ugly guy. The ugly guy will fight to get his foot in the door, and even when he's in the door, there are forces that are pushing him back out the door. It's like salmon swimming upstream basically.

Also, another important point for me at least is that I like to look at the long-term relationship potential for hot women. An ugly dude who is charismatic may get some kisses from a hot girl and hugs, etc. However, I don't believe that they will be able to do enough to hold the interest in the long term if they are butt ugly.

To me, personality, no matter how much you have to say, can wear out just as much as looks. I've seen pretty talkative and life of the party guys run out of things to say before, especially if they are alone and don't have other guys to bounce their dialogue off of.

 

[Pap]

The good looking and ugly/average guys that successfully game and get beautiful women all have one thing in common. When we are attracting women, they become attracted because we convey higher status and value. David DeAngelo of Double Your Dating calls this the prime directive. Good looks through natural physical characteristics and cool clothes convey value to women. So does being a cool, fun, and outgoing person. Whether it's fun, money, good-looks, or just a comfortable relationship conveys most value depends on the woman. Being good looking will make it a lot easier to game up and close the woman you want. However, players that subcommunicate the right things with their body language, tonality, and by conveying a really fun persona can consistently get gorgeous women, and win them over from better looking guys.

 

[Big Pappy]

Receding hair line? Ouch!

Check out these pics, as well.

http://www.georgesirishpub.biz/11802.html?cc=0.4481438604501824&mode=image&img=30#gallery

http://www.georgesirishpub.biz/11802.html?cc=0.5598796946538739&mode=image&img=40#gallery

http://www.georgesirishpub.biz/11802.html?cc=0.34016759843397837&mode=image&img=67#gallery

http://www.agapos.com/14409/index.html?cc=0.8669674293896719&mode=index&img=16#gallery

Am I validating myself by posting these? Showing off? Are they all 9.5's? Who cares? I'm having a blast in each shot, and as far as I can tell the chicks are having fun as well.

Becker, I guess I missed your point initially, so thanks for clarifying.

And, yes, Michelle was a little cutie who I saved from the evil clutches of drunk married man. Been f/b ever since.

 

[dillin]

Becker, what do you think of the guy who has great looks, lots of money, insanely expensive Italian designer clothing like Gucci and whatnot, funny, charismatic and always the life of the party and it comes to getting the uglier more shy girls?

How do you think the uglier girls feel about hooking up with total DJ's with nearly everything and the type of guy who can land HB8's like it was nothing?

 

[becker]

Big Pappy, good job with the women, and it seems like you're having a good time, so I'm certainly not going to rain on your parade.

dillin, I'm not sure I understand your post...

 

[dillin]

Originally posted by becker
Big Pappy, good job with the women, and it seems like you're having a good time, so I'm certainly not going to rain on your parade.

dillin, I'm not sure I understand your post...

Yeah sorry the post was a little bit confusing.

What I'm trying to say is I do believe looks play a majour role and the huge majority of the time a couple are almost always in the same range as far as looks go but you still see the odd couple and that goes both ways for men and women as you have said. What do you think the more average/ugly girls think about hooking up with that guy who is "hot" and has everything instead of the guy who is more in there range looks wise and is a bit more AFC.

I just think the more ugly/average girls cant handle the guys who are better looking than them and are DJ's and especially if the guy dresses REALLY well.

 

[Big Pappy]

When girls lack self confidence, they don't trust the men. This is why opposites in personality attract, but only rarely in looks.

 

[TooColdUlrick]

Originally posted by becker
Sorry ugly dudes, but you're up sh*t creek when it comes to landing a super-hot babe. You may be able to get some average women, but the super-hot ones are not going to fall for you. I'm not saying it matters, because maybe you don't want THEM either, which is fine. Nobody is going to force you. I just want to get the point through because I hate it when people can't face the truth and have to find ways around it to cushion their ego.

i think what you have said is true to a large extent. however, i think it's more prevelant with the HB6 - HB7's and not the super hot chicks. the latter have such vast experience with pretty boys and many of them know that they are high maintenance and most likely bimbos. honestly, i think that a lot of the SMART HB9's are looking for personality above all else. they will sacrifice looks to some extent. these are the HB9's who "get it". they're out there!

with the 6-7's chicks, they do not have as much experience with the pretty boys--if any. they're out of their league as far as looks. when they "land" one, they are in la la land (just like most guys who land an HB9). they will put up with the pretty boy shyt--sometimes a TON of ****, including abuse (real abuse), solely because they are superficial and want a charm braclet, trophey to show off to their friends. the worst thing is that they are complete liars and frauds... "oh no, personality is more important..." pretty sad, i must say. worse than guys in many ways.

with the 6-7's chicks, they will do it all over again if they are "fortunate" enough to land another pretty boy. how many pretty boys do the 6-7 chicks land? not very many.

EVENTUALLY, say mid-twenties, they will "get it". i'd say it's about 50% of the chicks that get it. the other 50% are pretty much doomed thereafter and living a complete lie.

there are women that "get it" and those that "don't get it". what you said about looks is absolutely true for the women that don't get it. this is why i try to surround myself with women that do get it. in this case, looks are secondary, unless you are way down the food chain--lets say two notches below them.

dealing with women that don't get it, no matter how good looking YOU are, is a waste of time in my book. i don't care how hot they are or think they are. if i can get a read on them that they are looking solely for a pretty boy, bye-bye.

good post.

 

[InLawsHateMe]

They are all full of sh*t.

 

[dillin]

TooColdUlrick, I agree 100%.

I do think looks make a BIG difference when it comes to landing women, I think most guys best bets are landing women in your same looks level.

In looks for me I would give myself an 8 but I have gone out with the girls who are in the 4-5 range before and I must admit they will put up with ALOT more crap from you than the other girls would. It is rare to see a guy in the 7-8 range dating a girl in the 4-5 range but for some reason I end up getting attracted to those girls sometimes, dunno what it is. The girls that I would say that are below me in looks always get really girly and giggly when there around me and get all feminine which is a big turn-on for some reason.

From what I have seen alot of the time they do hide how much interest they have but they still make it obvious but then you find out from there friends how they are like obsessed with you and stuff.

I think girls REALLY always have to show off the "cute guy" they just met to there friends to make them look good. I honestly think women are worse with this than men are.

Whats your oppinion on a guy with a girl in the 4-5 range if he's a total DJ.

 

[Genghis Juan]

Guy's Looks are more flexible...

Another thought this thread has brought up is that we are slightly more flexible with our looks.

Lets say a really skinny dude who has a good face, but cant seem to attract girls because he is AFC and lacks confidence and is also still in college with no money. Girls (especially the 7, 8, and 9's) would probably ignore him. They would probably rate the kid a 5 or a 6.

Then, perhaps, five years later, he has bulked up, developed good DJ skills, a good paying job, and a lot more confidence. On average girls could very well rate this guy a 7 or 8 (up a couple of notches).

Conversely, a woman would be much less likely to pull this off. In fact, she cant. A woman either is pretty or not. Of course there are always a few "rookies" who don't dress well or present themselves well that get overshadowed by girls who flaunt it better. But if a girl is a 5 or a 6, she will never really be able to improve much...

IMO....

 

[popcorn]

YOUR SPEAKING UTTER ****E MATE UTTER ****. Im VERY good looking and i have had that legitimised lots and lots. Ive jmodeled and ive had one date in my whole life women want a cool man or whatever but if they do want looks it must be with smoothness or there is NO HOPE EVER. ONCE AGAIN WHAT YOUR SAYING IS COMPLETE ****E.

 

[TooColdUlrick]

Originally posted by dillin
TooColdUlrick, I agree 100%.

I do think looks make a BIG difference when it comes to landing women, I think most guys best bets are landing women in your same looks level.

In looks for me I would give myself an 8 but I have gone out with the girls who are in the 4-5 range before and I must admit they will put up with ALOT more crap from you than the other girls would. It is rare to see a guy in the 7-8 range dating a girl in the 4-5 range but for some reason I end up getting attracted to those girls sometimes, dunno what it is. The girls that I would say that are below me in looks always get really girly and giggly when there around me and get all feminine which is a big turn-on for some reason.

From what I have seen alot of the time they do hide how much interest they have but they still make it obvious but then you find out from there friends how they are like obsessed with you and stuff.

I think girls REALLY always have to show off the "cute guy" they just met to there friends to make them look good. I honestly think women are worse with this than men are.

Whats your oppinion on a guy with a girl in the 4-5 range if he's a total DJ.

it just depends on the girl you are with. i've seen 8-9 guys with 4-5 girls, but its less frequent than vice versa. it really doesn't matter what my opinion is, nor anyone elses.

i would rate myself about a 7ish, looks wise. i'm 36. 6'1 190lbs, in shape, but not chisled. have 90% of my original hair. wear glasses (stylish). nothing that would turn heads. based upon looks, i always try to shoot above my range because my convo skills are a 10 and i'm very confident of this.

as far as the really hot babes, i try to filter out, asap, the airheads, gold diggers, and the "i want the ashton kutcher type" chicks. again these are the ones that don't "get it".

honestly, i really don't have much problem with the hotter ones, just so long as i can convo with them--the ones that do "get it".

but...i've been with chicks who are 5-6, but they've just got "something" about them--i became attracted to them. usually this is when they have all of the qualities i am looking for, personality wise. guess what? they move up the scale! don't they? absolutely nothing wrong with that.

same thing when i'm working an HB9. i might be "lacking" shall we say in the looks department, but they BECOME attracted to me. and of course, i move up on their scale.

agreed. in many cases girls are incredibly superficial and shallow.

i think we all agree here. this is why i like to try to separate the girls that "get it" from the ones that "don't get it". i'm not the least bit attracted to the latter ones. flat out, they are a fvcking waste of time. i am ALWAYS indirectly pre-qualing them initially by directing the convo. but that's another post.

 

[Kineti[C]harm]

I'm gonna make this very easy....

You see girls just as us men have sexual desires and ALL humans have SEXUAL ATTRACTION (That is they are attracted sexually that is by LOOKS...). Now is looks EVERYTHING? No, hardly. Not at ALL.

Does looks help you? Both YES and NO!!

If a girl is out to bone a hot dude, just get some hot ass ye looks is all you need and some balls (Yes you can't be a friggin slob in the corner even though you have great looks).

If a girl is _OPEN_ for sex or dating or whatever (which most women are) what good looks does is create "trust", value and a natural OPENING. You see, people have a tendency to trust, admire and listen too good looking people more because good looks means good genes which sorry to say is what we are all made of and coded with.

Can an averagelooking man outgame a good looking guy easily? Hell ****ing YES.

What good looks is, is an ASSET. It's just as a skill, but it's something natural and inate. Good looks can also work both ways because with good looks (If you know it) often comes an attitude, and some of the good looking guys are players and do trust me on this Players are what women Love to hate and hate to love.

I've had my fair share of women to say the least and I have a very large social circle with alot of girls. I've been called it all, hot, gorgeous, sexy, smashing, cute, prettyboy, I've been called a player countless times and girls have even flat out called me a Don Juan. Do you think I've gotten these girls by looks only? Hardly. If I weren't a confident, funny, very extrovert guy I wouldn't have had the "success" I have had.

Guys like Big Pappy, I love guys like him (He's alot older though but the TYPE). A guy that is CONFIDENT, ****ing hilarious, a fun dude to be around. Just by seeing his pics I'm smiling because I can see him irradiate with FUN. When I look at Big Pappy i see FUN and HUMOUR. This is probably his biggest asset (I would imagine).

You see, looks are great sure. They help some guys, they fvckup other guys. I know some girls would not jump on me just because I can be too confident, player and ye somewhat arrogant at times.

It's just ONE side of a man.

Remember also that girls "fall" for different kinds of guys. One girl I know have fvcked 3 friends of mine. They are extrovert but not in the AMOG sense, more in the don'tgiveafvckhavefun kind of way. They are abit shy around girls but she loved this, that they aren't agressors. Even though she finds me attractive on a looks basis she finds me too extrovert and confident. Girls can be very charmed by this behavior they have. (It's hilarious, they share an appartment together. Threesomes and what not goes on there all the time, people having sex in the livingroom after partying while others are sleeping on the couches etc ).

One of my friends though, he makes me really sad. He is my pet project He is not a badlooking fellah, he is short though, works out alot now, he has a good body, his face is completely average. He was a TOTAL warhammer freak, he never went to parties etc. He had NO relationships with girls whatsoever except being a friend of a couple of ubergeek girls. I dragged him out, took him to parties, invited him to go clubbing/barhopping etc. Now he has changed. He no longer at parties wear those completely geeky lame sweaters and ****. He has gotten a bigger social circle. His social antennas are growing etc.

But he is still too much of an AFC but now he has atleast gotten to makeout with some girls etc but he is still the too friendly, a bit to goofy person. He just got blown out by a girl he has been macking since august and they have not gotten anywhere longer than making out AFAIK. I've told him countless times to make a move or move on but he hasn't listened (I moved to another city for uni ) He does NOT take ANY **** from guys though but from girls he does and it's really sad.

The day he wakes up and realizes that he is a great guy and that he mustn't take **** from girls, that day I think he'll feel like a better man and have better success. But him getting out more and getting more friends has helped alot, that it has.


But I digress....

That btw reminds me of one thing. If you have issues with interacting with girls, or anything like that or actually for no reason at all you should get female _FRIENDS_! Female friends are great and you should get atleast 1 maybe 2 or 3 VERY GOOD female friends. Girls that will share everything with you and you can share everything with them. Girls have an AMAZING ability to raise a mans confidence and selfimage by being your friend. They can also help you with everything. An honest female friend can teach you and tell you alot and also by being their friend and hearing about their issues and situations you learn alot about female logic, womaneze and female/male dynamics. So your assignment from me is to get atleast ONE good female friend.


As I said, don't worry TOO much about looks. Ye they help but a good game beats looks (generally)...

Yes if you are _ugly_ I mean if you are repulsive, then you will have a REALLY hard time, you need some INSANE exposure of values, humour and **** like that. Those guys seem to get girls more from them being friends first.

But people here is also the biggest issue with people, ESPECIALLY people that are insecure (AFCs for example), OVERANALYZING... You see, even though it's called "a game", "your game", "the game", it's all ying and yang. Life is a game and it's not a game, the most important thing is that you LIVE _YOUR_ LIFE, preferably to it's fullest. Explore yourself, explore life, explore the world and most importantly HAVE FUN....

If you've had some bad fvckups with women or you're struggling, then go have some fun. Either by trying again or hey take a night of do something you LOVE todo. Play pool, watch a movie, hang with friends, go hiking in the himalayas for all I care but make sure you are having a GREAT time! Your mind is a powerfull but also a dangerous weapon. It can spit sarcasm, ****y+funny, humour, satires but it can also destroy you. It can diminish your selfimage to the lower depths of Mordor (God I used a LOTR reference and I hate the movies).

Humour is a stressreliever, it clears your mind. This important, don't be clouded by negative thoughts. POSITIVE POSITIVE POSITIVE.

A positive outlook on life is a very attractive quality and is visibile on anyone that has it. You know when you are with other people, you can always seem to sense from them how their life is just by facial expressions, how they wear themselves etc.... So positive = goooooooood!


Good luck my friends I know that someday life will smile down on you who need it. The Universe has a way of balancing itself out so luck eventually will smile on you


Oh and one simple little fact more which is again about POSITIVE thoughts It is scientifically "proven" that people with positive outlook are more lucky because they seem to not be distressed and preoccupied consioucly so they pick up easier on posibilities etc. So again, think positive, have fun and Wank of ALOT (nothing relieves stress better!)!

 

[popcorn]

YOUR ALL TALKING ****