Girls laying out "bait" for you to give them your attention

[AttackFormation]

Girl #1
Has a boyfriend who is a total beta and I'm pretty sure that's why she picked him, because she uses and orders him around (and he at least somewhat knowingly goes along with it) like a eunuch slave bee. During a small get-together recently my plate says she can tell this girl wants to f*ck me by the way she acts with/around me (it's been this way for some time). This girl says she's "sad that I don't get in touch with her" multiple times to me and finishes it off with a big one when me and my plate are leaving. You'd figure she would try to meet or at least talk to me after, right? nope. And then when I did get in touch, the conversation is just several sentences from each of us.

To me, you would have to be mentally deranged to be whimsical to the point that you don't have any consistent aims beyond the moment you're in. What's the point of wanting to f*ck me if she doesn't act on it?

Girl #2
Saw her at the bus yesterday but ignored her, she saw me when I went off. It was a long time since she last saw me and my posture and physique have improved massively since then, which is why her pvssy made her send me a text after instead of ignoring me. I banter with her about it being unfair that she got to see my body but I didn't get to see hers before she goes to bed, and today she texts me good morning. By this current point of my life I am so tired and bored of trying to deal with girls in general that I don't respond until now with "good morning... a while later" and she just says "haha indeed".

You would figure if she was turned on by me she would take some kind of initiative in trying to talk to me more or meet me, not just "chat" with me a little. But I think by now, I am starting to truly realise how different the genders' experiences and thinking are. Like a small child, she starts to forget me when I'm out of her immediate attention. If she actually cared she would invite me to talk more, to meet, or to exchange pictures.




I am starting to believe that what would be one of the greatest benefits to men is some kind of anti-lust drug that has no side effects, as women don't have the same drive for men that men do for women. Just something that makes men not care about women and only that. This would:

1) Let men focus on their own lives as they should, without the enormous disruption of hormones constantly making you want to think about and f*ck girls
2) Work against our culture's endemic trait of self-absorption among girls which manifests in various bad ways we give name to like anti-social attention media addiction. It would do so because the "drug high" they're on would fade as male attention fades
3) Make it easier for women to be happy, as there would be more men that qualify for their laundry lists due to more men not giving a sh!t about women and instead focusing on their own ambitions

I could talk to either of them right now but what am I really going to accomplish? in the end it will just be another sacrifice on the pvssy altar, my attempts to get pictures and f*ck them will just feed their orbiter-derived validation further. Better to forget it entirely.

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

I am starting to believe that what would be one of the greatest benefits to men is some kind of anti-lust drug that has no side effects, as women don't have the same drive for men that men do for women. Just something that makes men not care about women and only that.

It already exists ... it is called 'getting old' .

 

[Konada]

If you're interested then set up a date when they reach out to you. Men have better things to do than mentally masturbate to 'why isn't this girl making more effort if she is interested'

 

[KingBeef]

Girl #1
Has a boyfriend who is a total beta and I'm pretty sure that's why she picked him, because she uses and orders him around (and he at least somewhat knowingly goes along with it) like a eunuch slave bee. During a small get-together recently my plate says she can tell this girl wants to f*ck me by the way she acts with/around me (it's been this way for some time). This girl says she's "sad that I don't get in touch with her" multiple times to me and finishes it off with a big one when me and my plate are leaving. You'd figure she would try to meet or at least talk to me after, right? nope. And then when I did get in touch, the conversation is just several sentences from each of us.

To me, you would have to be mentally deranged to be whimsical to the point that you don't have any consistent aims beyond the moment you're in. What's the point of wanting to f*ck me if she doesn't act on it?

Girl #2
Saw her at the bus yesterday but ignored her, she saw me when I went off. It was a long time since she last saw me and my posture and physique have improved massively since then, which is why her pvssy made her send me a text after instead of ignoring me. I banter with her about it being unfair that she got to see my body but I didn't get to see hers before she goes to bed, and today she texts me good morning. By this current point of my life I am so tired and bored of trying to deal with girls in general that I don't respond until now with "good morning... a while later" and she just says "haha indeed".

You would figure if she was turned on by me she would take some kind of initiative in trying to talk to me more or meet me, not just "chat" with me a little. But I think by now, I am starting to truly realise how different the genders' experiences and thinking are. Like a small child, she starts to forget me when I'm out of her immediate attention. If she actually cared she would invite me to talk more, to meet, or to exchange pictures.




I am starting to believe that what would be one of the greatest benefits to men is some kind of anti-lust drug that has no side effects, as women don't have the same drive for men that men do for women. Just something that makes men not care about women and only that. This would:

1) Let men focus on their own lives as they should, without the enormous disruption of hormones constantly making you want to think about and f*ck girls
2) Work against our culture's endemic trait of self-absorption among girls which manifests in various bad ways we give name to like anti-social attention media addiction. It would do so because the "drug high" they're on would fade as male attention fades
3) Make it easier for women to be happy, as there would be more men that qualify for their laundry lists due to more men not giving a sh!t about women and instead focusing on their own ambitions

I could talk to either of them right now but what am I really going to accomplish? in the end it will just be another sacrifice on the pvssy altar, my attempts to get pictures and f*ck them will just feed their orbiter-derived validation further. Better to forget it entirely.

I think you might be overanalyzing both situations. You may be young and have testosterone pumping thru you like a beast but you have complete control of your world. A man "takes" what he wants or not. We all have our reasons for not pursuing women in certain situations (work related, drama, female immaturity and the list goes on) but dwelling about 2 girls that you don't have tells me something is up. Is it scarcity? not enough plates? fear of failure? fragile ego? I'm just making some general assumptions but only you would know for sure. Think about it....you'll find the answer

 

[mangotot]

Why do women seek attention without really wanting the guy?

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

Why do women seek attention without really wanting the guy?

Why cats love to play with the mouse ? It's their nature

 

[KingBeef]

Why do women seek attention without really wanting the guy?

Attention hors.... They can, they will and unless you pursue her its a waste of a guy's time. Also society makes it where women have very little stigma when it comes to flirting/"talking" to any guy she wants and getting away with it.

It's up to men to filter them out "who's real and who's not" by:

1. Seeing how she behaves (you make a clear decision)
2. Taking her out, escalating and putting her on the spot...

Only then you'll know for sure....

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

The harsh truth is : they are not truly attracted to you Would they play games with really(TM) hot guy ? Not at all ... because risk of losing him would be too big. They would impatiently ask 'Can we go to your place NOW ?'

Women DO LOVE SEX actually ... (just not with you)

 

[No.Danny]

Women DO LOVE SEX actually ... (just not with you)

So true.
So let me get this straight. You're mad because an attention ***** put one of her traps down and you fell for it? Looooool. Yup this is SoSuave

 

[Harry Wilmington]

Man... this is one of the most DEPRESSING things I've read on this site in a while.

And it's depressing because it's yet another example of someone bashing women based on previous baggage, despite evidence that these women are actually somewhat into him and willing to move forward IF he were to make the right moves. In other words, his readiness to insult these women isn't warranted, but it's a form of self ****-blocking a lot of guys do after years of being rejected by women, so that they can act like they don't really care if the girl doesn't go out with him when, in actuality, they're doing all they can to avoid the hurt.

Want proof? Check it out:

Girl #1
This girl says she's "sad that I don't get in touch with her" multiple times to me and finishes it off with a big one when me and my plate are leaving. You'd figure she would try to meet or at least talk to me after, right? nope. And then when I did get in touch, the conversation is just several sentences from each of us.

To me, you would have to be mentally deranged to be whimsical to the point that you don't have any consistent aims beyond the moment you're in. What's the point of wanting to f*ck me if she doesn't act on it?

So, in this example, he TELLS US that girl said "you should reach out to me more." And yet, he turns around in the next sentence and says "You'd figure she would try to meet me or at least talk to me after..."

But wait - she TOLD you to contact her! And as the man, if you're trying to take her out/bone her/whatever, YOU are supposed to be the one initiating contact. The only job the woman has in the beginning is to let you know she's open to being contacted by you - she did that. So, what more do you expect??

And as for your "only several sentences" comment: this is why you're NOT supposed to be texting girls. You CALL them (or, if you're still trying to do the whole text thing, text them) to get a DATE. That's it. You're not trying to build up rapport, or have convos that don't lead into your main goal in the first place, which is to see her one-on-one in person. The reason she's only sending you a few sentences here and there is because she's waiting for you to get to the POINT and ASK HER OUT already.

Here's the other example:

Girl #2
Saw her at the bus yesterday but ignored her, she saw me when I went off. It was a long time since she last saw me and my posture and physique have improved massively since then, which is why her pvssy made her send me a text after instead of ignoring me. I banter with her about it being unfair that she got to see my body but I didn't get to see hers before she goes to bed, and today she texts me good morning. By this current point of my life I am so tired and bored of trying to deal with girls in general that I don't respond until now with "good morning... a while later" and she just says "haha indeed".

You would figure if she was turned on by me she would take some kind of initiative in trying to talk to me more or meet me, not just "chat" with me a little. But I think by now, I am starting to truly realize how different the genders' experiences and thinking are. Like a small child, she starts to forget me when I'm out of her immediate attention. If she actually cared she would invite me to talk more, to meet, or to exchange pictures.

...NO, SHE WOULDN'T. She has NO reason to care about you enough to do all that stuff since she hasn't spent that much time with you. However, she MAY have enough interest in you to do something like - oh, I dunno - SEND YOU A FRIGGIN' TEXT OUT THE BLUE, in hopes that you'd be a MAN and ask her to meet up.

But nooooo - instead, you banter with her (waste of time), you don't ask her to meet up (waste of time), and then you complain about how "if she liked you she would take initiative in talking to you... WHICH IS WHAT SHE DID IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

To reiterate: these women are giving you GO signals to make a move. In the world of women, being too forward gets them called names like "slvt" or "b*tch", etc. So, they've had to come up with ways to be subtle about their communication when they like you. But they can only do so much - once they put the hint out there, YOU have to pick it up and do something with it. Dude, you have girls blatantly saying "call me," or hitting you up with texts out of nowhere - THESE ARE THEIR WAYS OF SAYING "DUDE, ASK ME OUT ALREADY!!" So stop complaining, be a MAN and make your dang moves!

---Oh, almost forgot the last thing:

I could talk to either of them right now but what am I really going to accomplish? in the end it will just be another sacrifice on the pvssy altar, my attempts to get pictures and f*ck them will just feed their orbiter-derived validation further. Better to forget it entirely.

Your mindset is your biggest c-blocker. I was bad with women for YEARS, and hurt to the point where I put all the blame on them and thought they were all crazy, that none of them would ever like me, and that anything I did was pointless because I was still going to end up alone. And for a while, this is the way it was. It wasn't until I decided to change my mindset that I was able to change my results. If you choose to believe that women are the enemy, or that anything you do to get them is only going to feed their ego but not allow you to find a woman that truly cares for you, then those are the results you're going to keep getting. In which case, you might as well go gay if you're hating on them THAT much.

Otherwise, start looking at what YOU can do to change your outcomes. If you're asking out 10 women and all 10 of them are "only out for validation" and/or are rejecting you, YOU are the common denominator in these scenarios, which means there's something about YOU that YOU need to fix so you won't get results like that time and time again. It's self-work that can take a while, but once you do you'll find that most women are actually willing and ready to do right by you - but only IF they can sense that you know what you're doing. Hope this helps!

 

[AttackFormation]

The harsh truth is : they are not truly attracted to you

Yes, and besides my own frustrations that is what I intended to show with this thread and is the reason why I am not putting any effort into them. Women view most men they encounter as fuel hoses to charge up their own egos and nothing more. The counteraction to that is if she invests in you emotionally. Men receive such validation too in the form of girls who admit how much of a catch they are and girls who have sex with them, but it is more sparse than it is for women and not an end in itself anyway except for narcissistic men (who behave like women).

I am not going to waste my time on pursuing these women. I am just weary to death of these one-way horsesh!t games and ego trips, and that my body drives me to do it anyway.

I know women can love sex because I f*ck my plate every week. That is not what I am getting at.

Reading and responding to more posts now

 

[Suspens]

We are in the same boat bud. This revelation came to me a few weeks ago. They aren't worth your time.

 

[AttackFormation]

Man... this is one of the most DEPRESSING things I've read on this site in a while.

And it's depressing because it's yet another example of someone bashing women based on previous baggage, despite evidence that these women are actually somewhat into him and willing to move forward IF he were to make the right moves. In other words, his readiness to insult these women isn't warranted, but it's a form of self ****-blocking a lot of guys do after years of being rejected by women, so that they can act like they don't really care if the girl doesn't go out with him when, in actuality, they're doing all they can to avoid the hurt.

How do I know they're somewhat into me and not merely insecure (which funnily enough girl #1 has called #2, and my plate called girl #1 out for) attention wh0res looking to re-attach my validation hose to them? The girl with the beta boyfriend is more likely just trying to spice her life up with the drama of goading me into hitting on her while she's taken. It would not be the first time she has tried to cause some little drama involving me, her and her boyfriend for her own amusement. And girl #2 has rejected me in the past, she just wants to see if she can make me chase her now too as a matter of curiosity and ego affirmation.

Want proof? Check it out:



So, in this example, he TELLS US that girl said "you should reach out to me more." And yet, he turns around in the next sentence and says "You'd figure she would try to meet me or at least talk to me after..."

But wait - she TOLD you to contact her! And as the man, if you're trying to take her out/bone her/whatever, YOU are supposed to be the one initiating contact. The only job the woman has in the beginning is to let you know she's open to being contacted by you - she did that. So, what more do you expect??

And as for your "only several sentences" comment: this is why you're NOT supposed to be texting girls. You CALL them (or, if you're still trying to do the whole text thing, text them) to get a DATE. That's it. You're not trying to build up rapport, or have convos that don't lead into your main goal in the first place, which is to see her one-on-one in person. The reason she's only sending you a few sentences here and there is because she's waiting for you to get to the POINT and ASK HER OUT already.

I did contact her after. She had work that day and didn't really reject me, but the fact that she did nothing to show she wanted to meet me when I did makes me think she's not serious. If she wanted to see me, she would have said something like "but I'm free on X /I wanna see you! /we should do something ". I only banter with girls briefly so they feel like they have fun with me and want to see me, I never start conversations with them without either asking them out/making them horny/getting them to send pictures. Figured that out a while ago.

Here's the other example:



...NO, SHE WOULDN'T. She has NO reason to care about you enough to do all that stuff since she hasn't spent that much time with you. However, she MAY have enough interest in you to do something like - oh, I dunno - SEND YOU A FRIGGIN' TEXT OUT THE BLUE, in hopes that you'd be a MAN and ask her to meet up.

But nooooo - instead, you banter with her (waste of time), you don't ask her to meet up (waste of time), and then you complain about how "if she liked you she would take initiative in talking to you... WHICH IS WHAT SHE DID IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

I've been acquainted with this girl since I was 17, and #1 since I was 16. She told girl #1 not long ago that she wasn't interested in me as more than a friend, which is what she told me too last time I took her out in early 2014 - but that did not stop her from toying with me.

You think this is her showing initiative. I just asked her out after work tomorrow, she said she didn't have time because she had to get home to celebrate her little brother. I asked if she had time the day after that and she said she couldn't then either because then she was celebrating her mom plus "I've already seen (what she looks like)". Counter-offer? nope. Now what? I gave her validation and got nothing back while the plausibility of her accepting later remains, exactly where you want a potential orbiter to be.

To reiterate: these women are giving you GO signals to make a move. In the world of women, being too forward gets them called names like "slvt" or "b*tch", etc. So, they've had to come up with ways to be subtle about their communication when they like you. But they can only do so much - once they put the hint out there, YOU have to pick it up and do something with it. Dude, you have girls blatantly saying "call me," or hitting you up with texts out of nowhere - THESE ARE THEIR WAYS OF SAYING "DUDE, ASK ME OUT ALREADY!!" So stop complaining, be a MAN and make your dang moves!

To me, their "fear" of getting called names is just an excuse. If they had to make what they wanted clear there would be nothing like orbiting, it works in their interest to be ambiguous unless they actually want you. It also risks more of their own ego and puts them in the role of having to put effort in, both of which they will only resort to only at the end of need.

I would agree with you if these were "clean slate" girls but they are not. I am using them to show what a "bait" looks like.

---Oh, almost forgot the last thing:



Your mindset is your biggest c-blocker. I was bad with women for YEARS, and hurt to the point where I put all the blame on them and thought they were all crazy, that none of them would ever like me, and that anything I did was pointless because I was still going to end up alone. And for a while, this is the way it was. It wasn't until I decided to change my mindset that I was able to change my results. If you choose to believe that women are the enemy, or that anything you do to get them is only going to feed their ego but not allow you to find a woman that truly cares for you, then those are the results you're going to keep getting. In which case, you might as well go gay if you're hating on them THAT much.

Otherwise, start looking at what YOU can do to change your outcomes. If you're asking out 10 women and all 10 of them are "only out for validation" and/or are rejecting you, YOU are the common denominator in these scenarios, which means there's something about YOU that YOU need to fix so you won't get results like that time and time again. It's self-work that can take a while, but once you do you'll find that most women are actually willing and ready to do right by you - but only IF they can sense that you know what you're doing. Hope this helps!

I agree that my mindset is my biggest c0ckblocker because I need a sign that a girl is open before I approach or I feel tense, but not in these two cases.

You know what I would like ? for things to be as easy as "manning up" and then going out to get the girls. See a girl you like, make eye contact, smile, approach in a socially competent way and pick her up. Easy peasy right? too bad it doesn't work that way. Maybe she's already taken (or thinks she is but is actually one of 6 girls the guy is f*cking, like my plate's friend) and is just out to attention wh0re (I guess unless a more exciting playa with his moves down appears), like some of the 7 girls I was out with saturday night. Maybe she wants to attach or re-attach the orbiter hook, like these two. Maybe she's literally crazy, like the bpd/bipolars/narcissists. Or maybe like most women she's too busy looking into her cell phone or walking quickly, staring ahead with her ear phones in, to see you trying to make eye contact.

Thanks for the effort, it did help a bit. Not because it disproved me but because it helped motivate me for my already in place-plan to cold approach girls who look like they are actually genuine and friendly in July, August and until summer ends in September, so I can find a girl I want, have her as main plate while I work on my life and stop posting/caring about this.

 

[AttackFormation]

Here's the conversation:

Girl #2: What are you doing then?
Me: Thinking of you haha nah jokes aside... gonna go out soon Are you lying in bed?

Girl #2: Haha okay! Watching a movie before sleep
Me: You're gonna work tomorrow too? what a soldier you are Do you have days off this week?

Girl #2: Work all week until next wednesday
Me: Is it 9-5 times?

Girl #2: No like 8-5 Not the sharpest girl as you can see
Me: I'll meet you for a while after work tomorrow then, so I get to see you too

Girl #2: Don't have time, must get home gonna celebrate little brother so
Me: Okay do you have time on wednesday

Girl #2: We're celebrating mom then, haha their birthdays are after each other
Me: What the fvck, hahaha

Girl #2: Hah yeah plus as said you've already seen me
Me: Have I? hmm probably need to freshen my memory then hehe Feels like something you can see again

Girl #2: Hahaha yeah

I'm not out after you guys to dissect the conversation for me or anything, I'm not 14 anymore and know this for what it is - a waste of time for me and an ego boost for her. I just knew she wanted no more than this and wanted to show what it can look like when this happens.

There was some doc love or something guy on askmen years ago (I haven't been there for years and years and don't even recognise the site now), and this reminded me of how you want to talk with women who clearly have high interest in you, not ones like these that you have to jump through hoops with.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Man... this is one of the most DEPRESSING things I've read on this site in a while.

And it's depressing because it's yet another example of someone bashing women based on previous baggage, despite evidence that these women are actually somewhat into him and willing to move forward IF he were to make the right moves. In other words, his readiness to insult these women isn't warranted, but it's a form of self ****-blocking a lot of guys do after years of being rejected by women, so that they can act like they don't really care if the girl doesn't go out with him when, in actuality, they're doing all they can to avoid the hurt.

Want proof? Check it out:

Quote:
Originally Posted by AttackFormation
Girl #1
This girl says she's "sad that I don't get in touch with her" multiple times to me and finishes it off with a big one when me and my plate are leaving. You'd figure she would try to meet or at least talk to me after, right? nope. And then when I did get in touch, the conversation is just several sentences from each of us.

To me, you would have to be mentally deranged to be whimsical to the point that you don't have any consistent aims beyond the moment you're in. What's the point of wanting to f*ck me if she doesn't act on it?

So, in this example, he TELLS US that girl said "you should reach out to me more." And yet, he turns around in the next sentence and says "You'd figure she would try to meet me or at least talk to me after..."

But wait - she TOLD you to contact her! And as the man, if you're trying to take her out/bone her/whatever, YOU are supposed to be the one initiating contact. The only job the woman has in the beginning is to let you know she's open to being contacted by you - she did that. So, what more do you expect??

And as for your "only several sentences" comment: this is why you're NOT supposed to be texting girls. You CALL them (or, if you're still trying to do the whole text thing, text them) to get a DATE. That's it. You're not trying to build up rapport, or have convos that don't lead into your main goal in the first place, which is to see her one-on-one in person. The reason she's only sending you a few sentences here and there is because she's waiting for you to get to the POINT and ASK HER OUT already.

Here's the other example:

Quote:
Girl #2
Saw her at the bus yesterday but ignored her, she saw me when I went off. It was a long time since she last saw me and my posture and physique have improved massively since then, which is why her pvssy made her send me a text after instead of ignoring me. I banter with her about it being unfair that she got to see my body but I didn't get to see hers before she goes to bed, and today she texts me good morning. By this current point of my life I am so tired and bored of trying to deal with girls in general that I don't respond until now with "good morning... a while later" and she just says "haha indeed".

You would figure if she was turned on by me she would take some kind of initiative in trying to talk to me more or meet me, not just "chat" with me a little. But I think by now, I am starting to truly realize how different the genders' experiences and thinking are. Like a small child, she starts to forget me when I'm out of her immediate attention. If she actually cared she would invite me to talk more, to meet, or to exchange pictures.

...NO, SHE WOULDN'T. She has NO reason to care about you enough to do all that stuff since she hasn't spent that much time with you. However, she MAY have enough interest in you to do something like - oh, I dunno - SEND YOU A FRIGGIN' TEXT OUT THE BLUE, in hopes that you'd be a MAN and ask her to meet up.

But nooooo - instead, you banter with her (waste of time), you don't ask her to meet up (waste of time), and then you complain about how "if she liked you she would take initiative in talking to you... WHICH IS WHAT SHE DID IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

To reiterate: these women are giving you GO signals to make a move. In the world of women, being too forward gets them called names like "slvt" or "b*tch", etc. So, they've had to come up with ways to be subtle about their communication when they like you. But they can only do so much - once they put the hint out there, YOU have to pick it up and do something with it. Dude, you have girls blatantly saying "call me," or hitting you up with texts out of nowhere - THESE ARE THEIR WAYS OF SAYING "DUDE, ASK ME OUT ALREADY!!" So stop complaining, be a MAN and make your dang moves!

---Oh, almost forgot the last thing:

Quote:
I could talk to either of them right now but what am I really going to accomplish? in the end it will just be another sacrifice on the pvssy altar, my attempts to get pictures and f*ck them will just feed their orbiter-derived validation further. Better to forget it entirely.

Your mindset is your biggest c-blocker. I was bad with women for YEARS, and hurt to the point where I put all the blame on them and thought they were all crazy, that none of them would ever like me, and that anything I did was pointless because I was still going to end up alone. And for a while, this is the way it was. It wasn't until I decided to change my mindset that I was able to change my results. If you choose to believe that women are the enemy, or that anything you do to get them is only going to feed their ego but not allow you to find a woman that truly cares for you, then those are the results you're going to keep getting. In which case, you might as well go gay if you're hating on them THAT much.

Otherwise, start looking at what YOU can do to change your outcomes. If you're asking out 10 women and all 10 of them are "only out for validation" and/or are rejecting you, YOU are the common denominator in these scenarios, which means there's something about YOU that YOU need to fix so you won't get results like that time and time again. It's self-work that can take a while, but once you do you'll find that most women are actually willing and ready to do right by you - but only IF they can sense that you know what you're doing. Hope this helps!

Close thread, Attackformation you have confidence and self esteem issues and are acting out to your beliefs from a one side view and not taking other angles and perspectives in to consideration. If you believe most women are fullfilling their ego, but they give you the "i'm interested in you" signal subtly, maybe you should fuel your own curiosity and beliefs/doubts and see what they are really about, meaning you ASK THEM OUT and SEE WHERE IT GOES. This is a deep seated issue in your confidence and you need validation on women liking you and your looks...don't run to mother ego. If you think they are out to fullfill their egos fine.....PROVE IT TO YOURSELF THEY ARE NOT, TAKE THEM OUT

 

[skinnyguy]

Some of you need to stop complaining about women's bad behavior and just focus on yourself. They only act that way because you put up with it.

I've realized that men who complain about this stuff lack confidence. When you actually have confidence you know you can get a high quality woman without worrying about stupid slvts.

 

[Harry Wilmington]

Before the rebuttal, let me say: your original post wasn't clear on how long you had known some of these girls. Most of the stuff I said still applies, and it rings true for new girls you're meeting. As for girls you've had drama with before or have had tease you before, the real question, then, is WHY WOULD YOU STAY IN CONTACT WITH THESE GIRLS IN THE FIRST PLACE??

Anyway...

How do I know they're somewhat into me and not merely insecure... attention wh0res looking to re-attach my validation hose to them?

That right there - calling them "attention wh0res" - is part of your problem. You can't have a view point in your head that says "B*tches ain't Sh*t" and then try to chase after them. It is literally a contradiction, and as a result the brain doesn't know what outcome to help you get. Either it's saying girls aren't worth your time and will make you do things to get rid of them, or it's saying "good girls DO exist, you just need to find them and know what to do," and it will do things to help you catch & keep them.

The girl with the beta boyfriend is more likely just trying to spice her life up with the drama of goading me into hitting on her while she's taken. It would not be the first time she has tried to cause some little drama involving me, her and her boyfriend for her own amusement.

Fair enough - you shouldn't be talking to her then. However, your post was talking about how she should hit you up if she likes you, yet you said she already had. But yeah - if she's got someone, even if you THINK it's about to end, I wouldn't even try to go for it until it was officially over.

And girl #2 has rejected me in the past, she just wants to see if she can make me chase her now too as a matter of curiosity and ego affirmation.

If you've known this girl since you were young, and she's told you before she doesn't want to date you, fine - that's when you go the "no contact" route until she hits you up again.

In this case, she hit you up, which meant you needed to, at the very least, try and ask her out. And it could have been that she would have accepted... except that, in looking at your text convo, you once again turned her off to the idea because it seemed like you were begging. Now, this doesn't mean you should ask her out again - you shouldn't, 'cause she's not interested now - but I want to point your convo out to others who may read this so they'll see why it didn't get you a date:

irl #2: What are you doing then?
Me: Thinking of you haha nah jokes aside... gonna go out soon Are you lying in bed?

Girl #2: Haha okay! Watching a movie before sleep
Me: You're gonna work tomorrow too? what a soldier you are Do you have days off this week?

#1: You were fishing to see if she was available. No bueno. Here's the secret, guy: a woman will ALWAYS be available for a guy she WANTS to date. If she's working 8-5 every day, it means she has time in the evening to see you... UNLESS SHE'S NOT INTERESTED.

I say that to say: one of the ways she can become interested is if you just ASSUME she'll be available when you ask her out. Saying "Hey, I want to take you to something happening Thursday at 8, lmk if you're available" is much more confident of an ask than, "So, are you off at all this week?" Asking like THAT makes it seem like you're desperate, which is NOT attractive to women.

Girl #2: Work all week until next wednesday
Me: Is it 9-5 times?

Girl #2: No like 8-5 Not the sharpest girl as you can see
Me: I'll meet you for a while after work tomorrow then, so I get to see you too

#2: Not listening. She just told you she's working all week til Wednesday, without saying anything like "but I have my evenings off." This means that, on the off-chance she's interested, she won't be open to you until next THURSDAY (because her phrase means Wednesday's out as well).

Girl #2: Don't have time, must get home gonna celebrate little brother so
Me: Okay do you have time on wednesday

Girl #2: We're celebrating mom then, haha their birthdays are after each other
Me: What the fvck, hahaha

#3: Begging. In her head it sounds like this: "Do you have tomorrow free? How about Wednesday? The day after that? The day after that?? Please say you'll go out with me!"

Ugh. When a woman pulls something like this, she's most likely giving you the run-around in the first place. On the other hand, you shouldn't be telling her you're available any day she's available - again, it gives off neediness. A better way to have handled this would have been to test her interest by setting up a date not so close to when she'd be busy:

HER: I have to work until next Wednesday
ME: Okay, no problemo... I'm pretty swamped until then as well. But check it out: there's a state fair happening that next Sunday, what's say we meet up then?

At this point, if she gives you the "oh, I have something else to do that day as well" speech, you know she's not interested and stop asking her. In the meantime, though, you could actually be LOWERING her interest level with how open you are with your time.

As for the "Doc Love" stuff, I'm a huge fan of his (still read his columns every Wednesday), and this is NOT an example of how he'd say to talk to women. For one, the "texting" thing would be off the table. And second, Doc Love's stuff is about being definitive when you talk to a woman - i.e. "Hey, let's go to x-place on x-day." YOUR way of asking these girls out is "So, are you free? How about Wednesday we do something (not definitive about the activity) or whenever you're free (not definitive on the day/time). A woman can have high interest in you that can be ruined by not knowing how to ask her out (or WHY it's important to know how to do it). You had a shot with these women; the way in which you tried to build their interest is what helped destroy it. Learn the RIGHT things to do, and this will happen less.

 

[AttackFormation]

Thank you Harry.

I will take your point about contradicting viewpoints with me, it resonated well.

Girl #2 was not interested - no duh. That's what I said in this thread before that conversation happened, it was my point from the beginning that she was only trying to make me her orbiter. And she got what she was out after - my re-validation - again. She won. But because I knew this was what she wanted from the start, it doesn't matter more to me than the frustration of having "lost" again with no kind of revenge causes.

Do you think she will be seeing no-one until the day she tells me she is available? of course she will. This girl works at a daycare or something. You just create an excuse for her low-interest game-playing which is what we both know she is really doing. They play these games because there is no retribution for it, you give them too much credit.

A better way of handling it would have been to go with what was my gut feeling to begin with and only respond to her with handwave answers until she tries to make someone else her next bozo instead of me.

I agree that it was a weak way to ask her out in hindsight. But you know what was even weaker? betraying my gut feeling in the first place. I also agree that it's no harder than asking these women out and bla bla, I'm not a virgin guys, but the point I'm trying to make is that they are just baiting me to do so to get their egos boosted, because they are not truly interested in seeing me. And this time I knowingly walked into her bait-set-hook. I wish I could just smash her in with a sword...

 

[El Payaso]

Man... this is one of the most DEPRESSING things I've read on this site in a while.

And it's depressing because it's yet another example of someone bashing women based on previous baggage, despite evidence that these women are actually somewhat into him and willing to move forward IF he were to make the right moves. In other words, his readiness to insult these women isn't warranted, but it's a form of self ****-blocking a lot of guys do after years of being rejected by women, so that they can act like they don't really care if the girl doesn't go out with him when, in actuality, they're doing all they can to avoid the hurt.

Want proof? Check it out:



So, in this example, he TELLS US that girl said "you should reach out to me more." And yet, he turns around in the next sentence and says "You'd figure she would try to meet me or at least talk to me after..."

But wait - she TOLD you to contact her! And as the man, if you're trying to take her out/bone her/whatever, YOU are supposed to be the one initiating contact. The only job the woman has in the beginning is to let you know she's open to being contacted by you - she did that. So, what more do you expect??

And as for your "only several sentences" comment: this is why you're NOT supposed to be texting girls. You CALL them (or, if you're still trying to do the whole text thing, text them) to get a DATE. That's it. You're not trying to build up rapport, or have convos that don't lead into your main goal in the first place, which is to see her one-on-one in person. The reason she's only sending you a few sentences here and there is because she's waiting for you to get to the POINT and ASK HER OUT already.

Here's the other example:



...NO, SHE WOULDN'T. She has NO reason to care about you enough to do all that stuff since she hasn't spent that much time with you. However, she MAY have enough interest in you to do something like - oh, I dunno - SEND YOU A FRIGGIN' TEXT OUT THE BLUE, in hopes that you'd be a MAN and ask her to meet up.

But nooooo - instead, you banter with her (waste of time), you don't ask her to meet up (waste of time), and then you complain about how "if she liked you she would take initiative in talking to you... WHICH IS WHAT SHE DID IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

To reiterate: these women are giving you GO signals to make a move. In the world of women, being too forward gets them called names like "slvt" or "b*tch", etc. So, they've had to come up with ways to be subtle about their communication when they like you. But they can only do so much - once they put the hint out there, YOU have to pick it up and do something with it. Dude, you have girls blatantly saying "call me," or hitting you up with texts out of nowhere - THESE ARE THEIR WAYS OF SAYING "DUDE, ASK ME OUT ALREADY!!" So stop complaining, be a MAN and make your dang moves!

---Oh, almost forgot the last thing:



Your mindset is your biggest c-blocker. I was bad with women for YEARS, and hurt to the point where I put all the blame on them and thought they were all crazy, that none of them would ever like me, and that anything I did was pointless because I was still going to end up alone. And for a while, this is the way it was. It wasn't until I decided to change my mindset that I was able to change my results. If you choose to believe that women are the enemy, or that anything you do to get them is only going to feed their ego but not allow you to find a woman that truly cares for you, then those are the results you're going to keep getting. In which case, you might as well go gay if you're hating on them THAT much.

Otherwise, start looking at what YOU can do to change your outcomes. If you're asking out 10 women and all 10 of them are "only out for validation" and/or are rejecting you, YOU are the common denominator in these scenarios, which means there's something about YOU that YOU need to fix so you won't get results like that time and time again. It's self-work that can take a while, but once you do you'll find that most women are actually willing and ready to do right by you - but only IF they can sense that you know what you're doing. Hope this helps!

I'm surprised you didn't peddle your usual bull$h!t "get a woman in 30 days" products.

 

[El Payaso]

It's just that...bait. Don't bite. Ignore them. I dislike attention wh0res as well.