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OK,

SO I know most of you are aware but for any of the doubters.

A friend of mine is a bartender at a local haunt. He gets women left, right and centre.

The unfortunate part is that at least 85% have BFs/partners.

His mobile phone goes off non stop with 'i want you' messages from all these girls he ****. He does a 'natural' plate theory I guess as he is **** girls in all his spare time every day he has off. He works a lot so has limited free time but any is used with girls. The secret for him is that the owner of the bar is his close friend. The owner is a playboy 56 and dates late teens, early 20s whilst having gf 23.

Playboy dates his son's friends.

- Now in summary, this all disgusts me. I cannot believe 18 yo would actually be with a 56 yr old. That is sick and stupid on the females behalf.

- as for my friend, he has no conscience or responsibility of actions. He puts his **** in anything willing, BF or no BF

Lessons learned:

YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST regard yourself with the respect you deserve and only be with high quality women if that is what you want. REMOVE the blurred glasses that makes women 'saints and holier than thou'

My question
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I used to be so bissfully ignorant. How do you all be with girls seriously and respect girls when you know of this behaviour?
 

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ahhh excellent topic for discussion. let me dive in with some thoughts....

1) most people look at relationships like they look at a job. I need money to pay the rent hence i need a job. I need to feel valued (or that i have value) hence I need a relationship. Just like people stay in sh*tty jobs, they stay in sh*tty relationships. and if someone offers them a side contract to make a few bucks on the side, they'll take it. If someone offers them some temporary sense of heightened value, they'll take it.

these are the "weak" people in the world. they are ruled by the approval of others. the STRONG walk their path, completely uncaring as to how others live their lives - they live their life their way, and their sense of value comes from their own sense of self.

now 90% of the people in this world are horrible weak. sure, they've figured out the basics, how to spread their legs for a little attention, or how to get a chic drunk to bang her, etc. but these are not people who have any real character generally speaking. they tend to have a good run for a while, but eventually as time wears on they start to realize that for years they've basically simply stood still, doing the same empty thing over and over. this is usually when they panic and make even WORSE choices in life. haha.

2) find all that depressing? all these men and women who will sell their souls and screw anyone over for just a little attention and sense of value in the world? it's not.

It's only depressing if you think they are "winning". if you think that their actions have no ramifications and that they are just getting to live it up by their own rules and will die with a smile on their face.

If i thought that happened more than perhaps 1% of the time, I can tell you that I'd be honest about it. But i've seen it OVER adn OVER and OVER - they pay a HUGE price. the price they pay is that they are never able to truly connect with anyone. the price they paid, which they were too ignorant to see at the time, was that of self respect.

you see, the more they throw themselves out into the beds of others, the less they are able to genuinely share themselves with anyone else. so when that GREAT girl/guy comes along they aren't able to truly share with that person who they are, instead they must remain committed to a facade they put on.

and so they go through their entire lives sometimes unable to simply be comfortable in their own skin. by turning to others for a sense of value, they severly hamper their own ability to develop self value and self respect. I know many women in their 40s who are smoking hot for their age who in moments of drunken honesty will tell you that if they had it all to do over they would do it all completely different. its not until later in life, and hitting a few emotional walls, that they begin to realize that happiness, self respect, etc. come from within, not from the attention of the opposite sex. but they also know that the type of guy they wish they could have had wouldn't have been interested in a woman who had let 20 guys pound her.

3) but hey, maybe this is sitll all depressing right? I mean, maybe its better to just to just f*ck like a monkey instead of trying to find high quality women. I mean, better to have 50 conquests than walk away empty handed right?

that's like saying its better to work 50 sh*tty jobs as opposed to working hard to find the right one.

I mean, if you never find that dream job, so be it, but at least you can have self respect for trying. at least you knew what you wanted and tried to find it. there's nothing wrong with trying and failing. failing is never trying at all.

i know a lot (well a few) of women also in their 40s who never married, but are GREAT women and love their life. they would have liked to find the right guy, but it never happened. but their life is 100x better than a lot of the woman who had endless male attention - they are much happier all in all.

4) if there is one thing i have learned in life is that happiness is a function of your inner self. it has NOTHING to do with external variables (well, i'm assuming you aren't in jail getting *ss f*cked by some 400 pound black dude named Leroy). aside from extreme circumstances we all have the ability to be happy with nothing but our own sense of self.

this ride (life) is not free. you pay the price one way or another, and that price is determined by your behavior. don't be fooled by the mtv facade peopel put on, its easy to act like life is great. trust me though, get behind the mask of a 90% of folks out there and youll find that their inner self is an absolute total mess.

5) as to trust? i mean, isn't it depressing to live in a world where 90%+ of the people are f*cked to high heaven and do utterly idiotic things? not really.

personally i say thank God for the idiots. Thank god people sabatoge themselves, makes it easier for me to make 6 figures. thank god a lot of guys out there who don't know how to treat a woman right, just makes it all the more easy for me to be seen as the prize. Thank god there are a ton of sluts in the world who spread em wide for any guy that comes their way - they make it easy to spot whether im dealing with a quality woman or not.

6) ah, but none of this really makes me feel better you might say. i'll tell you why. because you have to be able to SPOT all of this in your daily life. I know a million guys who blind themselves to the fact they are dealing with a slut. they fall head over heels for a woman that isn't showing the right behaviors or signs that shes a high quality woman.

in life you have to KNOW the signs of a GOOD man or woman. once you know them life is easy. You trust the 10% who are good, and you realize that you're dealing with wild hairless monkies for the other 90%.

the tricky thing with this though is that to be able to SPOT the good you have to become one of them ;)


anyway, my long ramble short - there's no easy outs in life. every short cut has a price.

personally i believe that the ONLY thing you die with that is of any value in this life is your self respect. and no matter what you convince others of, you will know whether you managed to keep it during life.

but then again, i tend to ramble about greater life philosophy as opposed to DJ tactics as i believe too many guys are wanting to bang chics because they think it will make them happier - when in reality i believe thatn first make yourself happier and then everythign will fall into place.

and if all of my above logic fails, you can take hte minimilist approach. you could be a 8 year old african kid with aids starving to death.

don't worry to much about the debauchery others engage in. your life is YOUR life. you can do whatever you want with it - ignroe the world and enjoy your time here, trust me, it ain't very long. :)

you know, i love women as much as the next guy, but i gotta tell you, i get just as much of a pump and feel good vibe from lifting weights as i do from screwing women. there are LOTS of things in life that will make you feel just as good as screwing a woman.

so there are LOTS of things to occupy your time between quality women.

anyway, not sure this post said anything profound, but felt like rambling :p
 

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Yo Yendor,


The stories you just shared could probably be repeated by all of us here. Sometimes I feel like a cop working vice. All I usually see is the seamy, seedy, disgusting, immoral sampling of human behavior (see---FEMALE). It has been HARD as HELL for me to give a random babe the benefit of the doubt, OR, to just simply take one seriously.

Before I got to this site, I used to think this was 90% MY problem. But now that I've lived a little more, approached so many women, AND learned a lot from this site, I think the truth is that it is more actually 90% THEIR problem.

I'm finding that a quality babe these days is a rare find indeed. Especially in this era where keeping Fukk Buddies and Friends with Benefits is now out-of-the-closet AND celebrated in the media, by sociey, and on THIS SITE.

But this is NOT, and hopefully never will be my preferred type of female interaction. What I try to do is keep an open mind, keep meeting new women, and give them the benefit of the doubt. But the SECOND they reveal themselves to be THE ENEMY by showing their lack of serious interest IN ME and attempting their maliciously selfish manipulations OF ME, then I DECLARE WAR.

It's gotten to be almost automatic for me these days. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, but it sure is a TRUE thing. lol I know that women are far from perfect. I know that I will always have to compromise on SOMETHING.

But all I'm hoping for is to eventually find a chick who is REALLY interested in me like I'm interested in her. And if I discover over TIME that she has integrity, honesty, positivity, availability, and a giving attitude, THEN I'll start letting myself take her SERIOUSLY.

Until then, I feel that all women are guilty of being liars, cheaters, sluts, gold diggers, naggers, and DISINTERESTED in me UNTIL proven innocent.

To me, that's why the ONE thing that I agree wholeheartedly with is the concept that a woman's interest towards a man is always suspect unless her behavior is positive and consistent towards him over an EXTENDED period of time----like AT LEAST 2 or 3 months, or 10 or 12 dates, etc. I take this shyt seriously. This shyt is like a military mission to me. And I know that no military plan is foolproof, but this is the only BABE ACQUSISITION plan I've got.

Now that might sound harsh, but this is the only way I've found to adequately protect my heart SO FAR. If anyone else has a better way of helping me do this, I'd HONESTLY appreciate your input.



Peace...one day.
 

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Seriously, you need to let go of this negativity. It isn't helping at all.

Do you think your bartender friend is on this site posting about these girls? At thousand times NO! But you are... You actually care about the women in his life more than he does! How f#cked up is that?

Really, go build a model sailboat or something. Mow the lawn. Wax your car. Find something to do with your time. Maybe if you do women won't have such an unreasonable priority in your life. Just step outside and take a look around... there's so much more going on than pu$$y.
 

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Thank god people sabatoge themselves, makes it easier for me to make 6 figures. thank god a lot of guys out there who don't know how to treat a woman right, just makes it all the more easy for me to be seen as the prize. Thank god there are a ton of sluts in the world who spread em wide for any guy that comes their way - they make it easy to spot whether im dealing with a quality woman or not.
Excellent point.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Victory Unlimited said:
Before I got to this site, I used to think this was 90% MY problem. But now that I've lived a little more, approached so many women, AND learned a lot from this site, I think the truth is that it is more actually 90% THEIR problem.
Agreed, that was a recent revelation for me too.

The Matriarx slanders men and makes us all blame ourselves. But, reality is the enemy of the Matriarx though and her diametric opposite!
 

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Victory Unlimited said:
But the SECOND they reveal themselves to be THE ENEMY by showing their lack of serious interest IN ME and attempting their maliciously selfish manipulations OF ME, then I DECLARE WAR.
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But all I'm hoping for is to eventually find a chick who is REALLY interested in me like I'm interested in her. And if I discover over TIME that she has integrity, honesty, positivity, availability, and a giving attitude, THEN I'll start letting myself take her SERIOUSLY.
I've recently stumbled upon a similar realization about my conquests so far. After seeing where I've been, and looking to where I want to be, I realized one thing.

All the women previously in my life, and I mean ALL, weren't into "ME". :nono:

Instead, there were only into "how THEY felt AROUND me".

This realization has really shifted many of my perceptions in regards to "loves lost" and women that come into my life now. The value of previous women in my life took a serious dive. I used to hold women in general in such high regard that my own self worth would be low in comparison. Duh.

I really have to keep this line of thinking in check, however. I'll end up placing myself in an untouchable realm where absolutely no woman is worthy of my attention. Then, of course, I'll be just like the HB9.5's and HB10's... er,... wait - that's the goal, right? Hmm...

Anyway, good post VU.
 

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joekerr31 said:
ahhh excellent topic for discussion. let me dive in with some thoughts....

1) most people look at relationships like they look at a job. I need money to pay the rent hence i need a job. I need to feel valued (or that i have value) hence I need a relationship. Just like people stay in sh*tty jobs, they stay in sh*tty relationships. and if someone offers them a side contract to make a few bucks on the side, they'll take it. If someone offers them some temporary sense of heightened value, they'll take it.

these are the "weak" people in the world. they are ruled by the approval of others. the STRONG walk their path, completely uncaring as to how others live their lives - they live their life their way, and their sense of value comes from their own sense of self.

now 90% of the people in this world are horrible weak. sure, they've figured out the basics, how to spread their legs for a little attention, or how to get a chic drunk to bang her, etc. but these are not people who have any real character generally speaking. they tend to have a good run for a while, but eventually as time wears on they start to realize that for years they've basically simply stood still, doing the same empty thing over and over. this is usually when they panic and make even WORSE choices in life. haha.

2) find all that depressing? all these men and women who will sell their souls and screw anyone over for just a little attention and sense of value in the world? it's not.

It's only depressing if you think they are "winning". if you think that their actions have no ramifications and that they are just getting to live it up by their own rules and will die with a smile on their face.

If i thought that happened more than perhaps 1% of the time, I can tell you that I'd be honest about it. But i've seen it OVER adn OVER and OVER - they pay a HUGE price. the price they pay is that they are never able to truly connect with anyone. the price they paid, which they were too ignorant to see at the time, was that of self respect.

you see, the more they throw themselves out into the beds of others, the less they are able to genuinely share themselves with anyone else. so when that GREAT girl/guy comes along they aren't able to truly share with that person who they are, instead they must remain committed to a facade they put on.

and so they go through their entire lives sometimes unable to simply be comfortable in their own skin. by turning to others for a sense of value, they severly hamper their own ability to develop self value and self respect. I know many women in their 40s who are smoking hot for their age who in moments of drunken honesty will tell you that if they had it all to do over they would do it all completely different. its not until later in life, and hitting a few emotional walls, that they begin to realize that happiness, self respect, etc. come from within, not from the attention of the opposite sex. but they also know that the type of guy they wish they could have had wouldn't have been interested in a woman who had let 20 guys pound her.

3) but hey, maybe this is sitll all depressing right? I mean, maybe its better to just to just f*ck like a monkey instead of trying to find high quality women. I mean, better to have 50 conquests than walk away empty handed right?

that's like saying its better to work 50 sh*tty jobs as opposed to working hard to find the right one.

I mean, if you never find that dream job, so be it, but at least you can have self respect for trying. at least you knew what you wanted and tried to find it. there's nothing wrong with trying and failing. failing is never trying at all.

i know a lot (well a few) of women also in their 40s who never married, but are GREAT women and love their life. they would have liked to find the right guy, but it never happened. but their life is 100x better than a lot of the woman who had endless male attention - they are much happier all in all.

4) if there is one thing i have learned in life is that happiness is a function of your inner self. it has NOTHING to do with external variables (well, i'm assuming you aren't in jail getting *ss f*cked by some 400 pound black dude named Leroy). aside from extreme circumstances we all have the ability to be happy with nothing but our own sense of self.

this ride (life) is not free. you pay the price one way or another, and that price is determined by your behavior. don't be fooled by the mtv facade peopel put on, its easy to act like life is great. trust me though, get behind the mask of a 90% of folks out there and youll find that their inner self is an absolute total mess.

5) as to trust? i mean, isn't it depressing to live in a world where 90%+ of the people are f*cked to high heaven and do utterly idiotic things? not really.

personally i say thank God for the idiots. Thank god people sabatoge themselves, makes it easier for me to make 6 figures. thank god a lot of guys out there who don't know how to treat a woman right, just makes it all the more easy for me to be seen as the prize. Thank god there are a ton of sluts in the world who spread em wide for any guy that comes their way - they make it easy to spot whether im dealing with a quality woman or not.

6) ah, but none of this really makes me feel better you might say. i'll tell you why. because you have to be able to SPOT all of this in your daily life. I know a million guys who blind themselves to the fact they are dealing with a slut. they fall head over heels for a woman that isn't showing the right behaviors or signs that shes a high quality woman.

in life you have to KNOW the signs of a GOOD man or woman. once you know them life is easy. You trust the 10% who are good, and you realize that you're dealing with wild hairless monkies for the other 90%.

the tricky thing with this though is that to be able to SPOT the good you have to become one of them ;)


anyway, my long ramble short - there's no easy outs in life. every short cut has a price.

personally i believe that the ONLY thing you die with that is of any value in this life is your self respect. and no matter what you convince others of, you will know whether you managed to keep it during life.

but then again, i tend to ramble about greater life philosophy as opposed to DJ tactics as i believe too many guys are wanting to bang chics because they think it will make them happier - when in reality i believe thatn first make yourself happier and then everythign will fall into place.

and if all of my above logic fails, you can take hte minimilist approach. you could be a 8 year old african kid with aids starving to death.

don't worry to much about the debauchery others engage in. your life is YOUR life. you can do whatever you want with it - ignroe the world and enjoy your time here, trust me, it ain't very long. :)

you know, i love women as much as the next guy, but i gotta tell you, i get just as much of a pump and feel good vibe from lifting weights as i do from screwing women. there are LOTS of things in life that will make you feel just as good as screwing a woman.

so there are LOTS of things to occupy your time between quality women.

anyway, not sure this post said anything profound, but felt like rambling :p
I like your post especially when determining who is good and who is bad. The thing is, it's not all black and white like that. While it's considered weak that you stay in a relationship/job where you are "okay" with when you really want to do someone else or something else it's what works for you now. Human Nature and Opportunitistic situations don't mix well with this "Righteous Path" you speak of. If I am dating a girl and then I meet another girl at work, grocery store, etc that matches more of what I seek in then I will gyrate towards her. If I am working in a job and there is a job posting that matches more of what I would rather be in, I will gyrate towards that. If my woman happens to do that, cool, she knows we won't be 100% happy with each other. You should know that Happiness matters much more than what you purport as a Religion in being Strengthfully Righteous in the context of your post.

Albert Einstein was a great man, yet when he died he had a wife and several lovers in the midst. Infact he had over a dozen women throughout his years in his life. You'd assume a nerdy guy wouldn't get any action, after reading his biographies this guy is a PIMP!

Try not to judge humans "holier than thou" than the rest of the animals. No Animal stays with One Partner for rest of it's life. Humans are no different.
 

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yendor28 said:
...My question
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I used to be so bissfully ignorant. How do you all be with girls seriously and respect girls when you know of this behaviour?
Accept what you can not change, especially when it's something dealing with other people's behavior. Not everything merits your emotional or mental effort, especially if your effort negatively effects your state of being.
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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