Girls and Their strats.. depends on your value level

[IamtheAlphamale]

Basically as I have gone through the stages of game I have realized how things have changed. For a while I would talk to girls and they would make moves on me. My game improved and slowly girls stopped making moves on me in the initial interaction. I mean like asking me out or massive kino to the point where it was overly obvious. Then they stopped asking me out and just made it very obvious that they liked me but were too nervous to make a move. I even had girls admit they threw up because they were so nervous because I was going to a party that they were going to be at. Now a while has gone by and I noticed something all of a sudden girls were starting to use the "hard to get" strategy on me a LOT more. Its getting to the point where it is litterally every girl. Basically for a while I really hated when girls did this and it made me bitter vs them. But you know what, all it means is that she wants a relationship with you and realizes that she is going to have to try extra hard with you because you are a high value guy. I didn't word this amazing but I hope you guys see what I mean.

 

[violator]

Yea, I kind of know what your saying.

However, I have come to a point in my life where a use a simple filter to weed out girls. And it is this:

I only want to deal with girls who have high IL. I dont deal with flakey or high maintenance chicks anymore. If a girl has high IL she will not play games and will make things easier on you. If I call and she does not return my call, I assume no interest. I dont have time to analyze this or that. I just take things at face value. The same if I ask for a date. If she says no without a counteroffer, then in my book she is not interested and I say bye bye and wont deal with her anymore.

Girls who have high IL wont flake, say no, etc. The last high IL girl I had was extremely beautiful and could have any guy she wanted, but she was interested in me. She would always come to my house at a moments notice, cook for me, buy me things, etc., you name it. She wanted to marry me, but I was not ready and the relationship just fell apart after that.

Make your life simple and just weed out girls until you find the one who has high IL and will be there on a dime when you need her. Those are the ones that are true gems if you looking for quality LTR girls.

 

[Jay Jay]

Interesting topic.

I know what you mean IamtheAlpha. As you make yourself more of a prize it actually gets harder. Lower SE girls will be intimidated and shy. Higher SE will test you so much harder to see if you really are that cool. Sassy girls will play hardball.

I also know what you mean Violator. The best girls and the ones you should be with are the ones that don't play the stupid **** and who actually make it easy for you.

JJ

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

See I'm thinking what happens is this.. you demonstrate your super high value and the girl is like wow I really have zero power over this guy but I want him and I want a relationship with him and since my looks arn't doing it I need a bit extra therefore I need to play hard to get so that he will like me more. Thats basically what happens. Just because a girl plays hard to get does not mean she does not have IL.

 

[wayword]

Ya, it's funny but the higher value you become, the more you may have to act AFCish to show attainability.

I've been easing up on girls lately because I was becoming too hardcore and unnattainable. Calibration, fellas!

Don't get me wrong though, I am still Iron-fawking-man on the inside and will never become a true AFC again. But it is precisely this inner strength that allows (heck, forces) me to become more of an outer gentleman.

 

[Demon Wolf]

What is SE and IL?

 

[Jay Jay]

What is SE and IL?

Self Esteem

Interest Level

JJ

 

[Jay Jay]

See I'm thinking what happens is this.. you demonstrate your super high value and the girl is like wow I really have zero power over this guy but I want him and I want a relationship with him and since my looks arn't doing it I need a bit extra therefore I need to play hard to get so that he will like me more. Thats basically what happens. Just because a girl plays hard to get does not mean she does not have IL.

Totally!

I learnt about this several years ago when I had onetis for this girl. A cool FF who understands the game kept saying "just ask her out! She likes you!"

I would reply, "if you asked anyone at this party which guy she likes the LEAST everyone would say "Jay Jay!""

"Exactly!" My FF replied.

She was right and eventually this girl asked me home.

I don't think the tips or even any of the gurus have gotten the signs of high IL spot on. Sometimes girls do all those things we are told to look for (kino, whites of the eyes, proximity etc). But sometimes it is the opposite of that.

The conclusion I have come to in judging interest level is in incongruous behavior.

If she acts different towards you compared to any other guy you can be sure you have gotten under her skin (although for some of you guys just learning this ****; it might be in a bad way! so be careful).

Some ****ed up IOIs: deliberately flirting with other guys in front of you. talking about how hot so and so is. walking away at the high point of conversation. being challenging. throwing backhanded compliments at you. ignoring you. trying to be centre of attention....

hold on! These are all the things we are taught to do here!

LOL.

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

I suck at paragraphs so please read. See I got thinking about this and it litterally seems like every girl now is just playing hard to get with me. I've been trying to get them to stop but its pretty much a waste of time. Heres what happened with this recent girl. Ok so I'm at the bar, just me and a few friends and its just us in the bar and this beautiful bartender who I had been working a bit here and there with some very good ****. ANYWAYS We eventaully go for a smoke and I bet my friends I can get this girls number. So we go inside and I goto the washroom and they ****block me and tell her about the bet.. well all I heard was them tell her and her be like REALLY?!?!? When? They reply just now when we were out for a smoke then she runs off and finds a paper and pen. I come out call them on it and walk upto the bar to get her number. When I get there shes scrambling everywhere looking for a pen and paper but does not say this. Eventaully after me yelling YO GIRL at her like 3 times she turns around comes upto me with a HUGE smile and says "You wanted me to give you something?" I say I already heard them tell you girl. Then I reach into my pocket to get my pen and cant find it and I say Hmm I can't find my pen. She then spins and has a pen before I knew what she was doing so then I go to get her to write her info on my hand and she spins again and has a piece of paper. Ok so after I get her number we discuss some stuff and apparently shes doing an internship during the week in a city like an hour away but shes like yeah "But I'll be home on the weekends to visit you." Anyways she basically started doing the im trying to impress you with how successful I am thing and started working my friends to make them like her. Anyways we leave pretty soon after because the bar closed. So that was on a friday.. OH we also talked about since how she was doing an internship and I work afternoons calling would be ****ed so.. I should add her to facebook (her idea) and add her to contacts and add her with her email. Ok so this girl went through the whole process of how I would do this btw. OK so anyways I made ZERO mistakes I did NOTHING to drop IL and I email her and add her on facebook on monday. NO RESPONCE I call her the following sunday and noone answered and then facebook message her and sofar no response. BUT the interesting thing here is that on facebook when you get a friend request it stays gray and you cant ask to be the persons friend again until they EITHER reject the request or confirm it. Now Its been a week since I added her and did a friend request and she has NOT denied my request. This leads me to wonder why not just reject the request? Why would she leave it there when she can just be done with it? Also she showed VERY high IL by the way she scrambled to find a pen and paper and by how nice and stuff like that she was being. I have to wonder (BTW HB9.5) why not just reject it unless your just waiting so that I'll think about you more?

 

[danielzxc]

I don't think the tips or even any of the gurus have gotten the signs of high IL spot on. Sometimes girls do all those things we are told to look for (kino, whites of the eyes, proximity etc). But sometimes it is the opposite of that.

The conclusion I have come to in judging interest level is in incongruous behavior.

If she acts different towards you compared to any other guy you can be sure you have gotten under her skin (although for some of you guys just learning this ****; it might be in a bad way! so be careful).

Some ****ed up IOIs: deliberately flirting with other guys in front of you. talking about how hot so and so is. walking away at the high point of conversation. being challenging. throwing backhanded compliments at you. ignoring you. trying to be centre of attention....

You mean, she does this when she actually has very HIGH IL, right? So high that she's afraid it will be "obvious", so she "overcompensates" in order to hide it -- which to a guy, at least a socially unware one, seems like she actually DOESN'T like him. I don't think these girls are aware of how GUYS see their behavior. Fair enough they don't want it to be TOO obvious that they like the guy, but I think they would be shocked to hear that they are actually SCARING the guy off (well, scaring MOST guys off) unintentionally.

I wish I picked up on this earlier. Even now I have trouble recognizing it. But my mind is slowly coming to grips with it. I have sterling example of this in mind from my past. This Argentine girl in the office right, absolutely stunning. Every so often, she'd give a little hint that she was into me, but whenever we actually had to speak or interact, she'd be so blunt and almost rude that I thought she didn't want a bar of me. It really annoyed me to see her being so easy-going with all the OTHER guys but. I kept thinking, sheesh man, what the hell am I doing wrong that she's so nice to everyone else but so cold towards ME? (An example: we had these sheets of paper with sales leads on them that were put in a stack in this box. When we ran out of leads, we'd go and grab some more sheets. Instead of grabbing the ones on top, everyone would dig down and grab some from half way, like a "lucky dip". I was doing this when she got there and she scolded me for it, telling me I was "messing up the order" or some crap like that. At least I didn't apologize for it, I go "relax will ya? EVERYONE does this". But I walked away thinking she had it in for me.)

I suck at paragraphs so please read.

Lmao, that's funny! Dude, just hit 'enter' every now and then man. Don't worry if your paragraphs make sense or not!

That is a pretty interesting one dude.I really have no idea why she'd go cold like that after showing so much obvious interest. (Could just be a plain weirdo.) Can't you just go to the bar again and see what's up?

 

[Randomer]

mmm, girls always try the hard to get thing wit me when the initial meeting is made but I agree, flakin is really ****in stupid and shouldnt be tolerated, i should also say though that they gotta at least offer some resistance, that's when they're trying to stay for a while, if a girl is too easy i won't even think about a ltr wit her... for a quick **** it's ok though even if it's gonna be followed by her blasting your phone for the first week she should eventually fade off

 

[TruthHurts]

Always follow the rule of KISS.. Keep It Simple Stupid.. if not sure.. then just ask... i.e. "listen, I see you around and flirting and all, but I think your amazing and would love to take you out to a movie or dinner, are you interested?" simple and case closed.. no matter how shy she may be or what ever else you mentioned, if she has any IL for you at all she will at least give you her number.