girl says she's "old fashioned" and won't pay, etc.

[Zhade]

This chick is following "The Rules" to the letter, whether she knows it or not. The rules is a chick book designed to give them all the power in the relationship, and ditch any guys that aren't willing to go along with it. It's basically like Anti-Dump's Machine, except designed for chicks. Don't accept weekend dates unless they are scheduled Wednesday or earlier, guy pays for meals, make the guy pay for you, etc.

If she's actually following "The Rules", she should be cool with doing something to make up for you being the traditional guy paying, like cooking a meal, buying you a present, but forbids doing anything that can be seen as advancing the relationship, like making a move, scheduling dates, paying for dates, etc.

I'd go with what the more experienced guys here have said. If you don't feel she's giving you a fair relationship, talk to her about it and next her if necessary.

 

[zerocelcius]

Are you ready bro. Here's how you do it, if you have the balls and the drive.

Next time you f-ing, get her to the verge of coming (hopefully you can do that) Right before she comes, stop. Pull out, lay on your back and stay silent and unmoving. WHen she asks you what is wrong, and she will, say you cant talk about it now. Go to sleep leave, or do whatever, so long as it's not more sex.

If she asks again the next day or anytime before you f her again, say your not ready to talk about it. Let the suspense build.

Now, next time you f her, same thing. When she's about to come, stop suddenly, but this time dont pull out. Instead stay in her. When she asks what wrong again, say that something has been bothering you, and your not sur eif you can perform sexually until you clear it up. Pump her a few times slowly to keep her in the zone.

Now you express your need to have her pay for dinner, while pumping her occasionally. Actually, before she can respond, go back to full f-ing her, then stop again.

You can make up some stuff like she's not really valuing you, or whatever. Just make sure the message is clear. "I dont think I can continue doig this until I know you are willing to buy me dinner." Tie it in to trust issues or whatever else you come up with.

You will blow her mind with this one.

Pavlov’s theory!

Do you really want to anchor your inadequate abilities with having sex? The moment you do this she just stuck you having inadequacies in the same schism with having sex with you. Along with many other emotions like denial, abandonment, being let down, shame, etc.

Not being able to perform because something is on your mind is going to come off as (no pun intended) as weak and very un-masculine. If a man is expected to do anything in life; it is get off. There would be no recovery from the subconscious association of failure and sex.

Could it work? Yes in a very twisted and unhealthy way. Worse kind of passive aggressiveness I have heard. If a girl stopped (during sex) and told me, she didn’t want to talk about it, I would feel very compelled to Next her. That is definitely not the time to air out the closet. If I didn’t Next her I would be very reluctant to share another sexual encounter with her ever again.

 

[Dongfu]

^^^100% true. But like I said, not for mere mortals to try. The, "I cant perform now blah blah" thing is not the point here. Your not portraying that you cant perform, you are telling her you wont, because she has done something that is turning you off. There's a big difference.

This an extreme technique for serious cases. Just not wanting to buy dinner doesnt really qualify. It's just a funny idea, and it does work in a funny way. I've done it.

It's basically called "withholding sex" which is how women get their way. This is simply using her strategy against her. However, because women have better sexual control than men, the technique usually has to be applied when she is arroused.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Old Fashioned? So she is a virgin? If not, she is blowing smoke up your ass!!!

 

[Snowyk]

hehehe,

Here's one solution.
Whenever you are trying to set up a date, dinner, movie, whatever, Get heaps psyched up about it, and get her psyched up about it too then go... "Oh wait, ****. I can't really afford it this week, but we'll do it soon. Okay? Let's just hang at mine tonight"

You said you are both in college, so she would HAVE to know that money is tight. So just stay at home and screw each other. That's free.

I guess that sounds a little tight-a$$ed, but I'm in college too, and money is really tight. My girl gets this and we split the load.

Makes life easier.

 

[zerocelcius]

^^^100% true. But like I said, not for mere mortals to try. The, "I cant perform now blah blah" thing is not the point here. Your not portraying that you cant perform, you are telling her you wont, because she has done something that is turning you off. There's a big difference.

This an extreme technique for serious cases. Just not wanting to buy dinner doesnt really qualify. It's just a funny idea, and it does work in a funny way. I've done it.

It's basically called "withholding sex" which is how women get their way. This is simply using her strategy against her. However, because women have better sexual control than men, the technique usually has to be applied when she is arroused.

^^^100% Funny Idea! I actually laughed when I read it, but like you said girls use this method. And; a little dose of their own medicine, just might be, what the Dr. ordered. IF they have done it to you before hand. Otherwise it is 100% pure passive aggressive.

I think if you went that far just to get somebody to pay for food, than you really shouldn't waste time with dating. Use that time to better your life. Get a better job, sale stuff on e-bay, or get a second job. In short, if you can't afford to take somebody out, than don't.

Alpha males provide! If it is such a big deal to you, than take it out in trade. Make her pay with Nature's Credit Card!

Let’s see: Big Mac+Fries+Soda=Blow Job and a mushroom print on both a$$ checks.

Stay true to the laws of nature! Just don't let yourself get Jipped in the process.

 

[Dongfu]

^^^100% Funny Idea! I actually laughed when I read it

Thats really all it was intended to be, as with most of what I say, especially in my book. So beware Pad Juans, following Dong Fu's advice might get you laughed at.

 

[J-Bone]

so this girl i've been talking to says she won't call guys, she won't ever pay for them, she thinks guys have to do everything. this was a fun conversation and i'm down for calling, but i not so much paying for her all the time. we've only gone on two dates, one was tennis and stuff, so no money involved; while the other was sushi (i paid).
but i'd like to see what i can do and possibly get her to pay for me one night. any tips? she's already head over heels for me, so it shouldn't be too hard... :]

i read the first sentence and i've made my decision. i'd leave her before i killed her. AND MIGHT I ADD MEN WERE HERE FIRST AND WE GIVE COURTESY TO THE WOMAN I think that is a very polite gesture and the least they could do is return the favor every now and then. but if you really want her that bad and don't think you can find one that isn't wanting to sit at home and spend your money all day then i'd suggest telling her "look here, i like you but we must get something straight, you have to meet me in the middle as well and if not then im sorry but ill have to find a new girlfriend" and then back these words up.