It feels like I'm banging my head against a wall here.
Come on you can do better than that. If that is your best attack in this debate then you need to step out. First of all I didn't claim to be a guru. I have worked on pro-bodybuilding teams. And yes our boys were using big time. Secondly your entire paragraph is stupid and out of line. Finally YOU haven't established one shred of crediblity in this debate. Any idiot can see through your paragraph above with the "without any consideration of a solid training routine and diet," OMFG...this is so lame it's funny!!!!!
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First off, you sent me several pm's stating :
Actually I've been a body builder and a personal trainer for a long long time. I've read Duchane's steroid manuel and bible if you know anything about the underground info out there.
I didn't want to embarrass you on the public forum.
then,
You negate the fact that it is my business to know this **** kid. You must be a juicer as judging by your defense of anabolic steroids....so which catagory do you fall into;
short
or short dycked man.
90% of the juicer end up with nuts the size of grapes. I've trained competitive bodybuilders who were using.
Not only gyno and bad achne but a liver damage and a host of other problems.
I personally know that Arnold is using a liver machine due to his usage of Dynabol and his heart surgury was due to steroid usage as per a nurse who assisted in that procedure...also his 2nd heart emergency procedure was due to the same thing.
The nurse works with the doctor. What he says she hears.
finally,
Ok let me tell you something fella. I've trained bodybuilders for over 16 years. My clients have won 1sts and 2nd places in several events.
I do know a thing or two about the business. I do appreciate the link, I will look into that forum and maybe even teach them a thing or two about scientific bodybuilding Fred Hatfield style, or Super High Intensity Darden style.
Gee, I don't know man.
Where could I have the idea that you are trying to proclaim yourself as an AAS/BB guru..!? hmmm
You even went as far as stating that you had inside info about Arnolds condition. Then you went on with personal attacks and finally started with stupid assumptions just because I don't agree with you.
You need to grow the f*ck up.
And also, you know that The Original Underground Steroid Handbook by Dan Duchain was written in 1988 (or around that time), right? You don't think that all the research conducted back in the 80s might be a
little outdated by now, hmm...? You also know that the 70s and 80s were notorious for experimenting with AAS and with some really stupid ass myths going on about dosage/usage, right?
You need to cut that mullet, and take a step into the year 2005.
Where in this thread did I say that 'Steroids are safe for the world'? What I have said is that they are not as bad/lethal as the commoner would like them to be, and with a good PCT you can minimize the risks involved.
Let me spell it out for you so you can understand it with your peasized brain,
I AM NOT SAYING THAT AAS DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIDEEFFECTS. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THESE SIDEEFFECTS ARE NOT AS BAD OR LETHAL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, AND FURTHERMORE THEY CAN BE REDUCED BY DOING YOUR RESEARCH BEFOREHAND, GOING ON A SENSIBLE CYCLE AND A DECENT PCT.
Comprende?
What you are saying is that :
AAS - ( training + good diet ) = Freaksize muscles
What I'm saying is :
AAS + training + good diet = muscle gains
I have yet seen anyone sitting on their asses watching TV all day and eating like crap, while doing AAS getting huge. Get it into your peasized brain that AAS are not the easy way to Ronnie Coleman size (i've not even mentioned genetics).
And also, read this,
Also associated with libido is DHT. Like estrogen, DHT is produced using testosterone. 5-alpha-reductase converts test into DHT. DHT is primarily responsible for male pattern baldness, erectile function, development of the external make genetalia (which is what makes your penis grow during puberty... which totally negates the popular rumor that AAS will shrink your ****. If anything, the higher DHT levels will complete development if it hasn't already for some reason). DHT is also responsible for facial/body hair and deepening of the voice, etc.
Your liver can eat up test with no problem. Both test and estrogen have a halflife of like 45minutes in the bloodstream or something, and they won't raise liver enzyme levels one bit. Very easy to deal with. I'll have to say that oral steroids are not nearly as hard on your system as most people think. Contrary to popular belief, you can run an oral throughout your entire cycle if you wish... and you're not gonna do yourself any harm. Alot of guys can run 100mg anadrol/day for 12 weeks and liver levels won't even come out of the normal range. Some guys I talked to had been runnin 100mg of dbol/day for an entire year and their liver levels were just fine. The only liver protectant they used was ALA or r-ALA, and that was only intermittantly... and more for the effects on insulin sensitivity than for the anti-oxidant characteristics.
