Girl has a change of heart

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Well, this is sort of a long story, so bear with me.

It sort of started back in May or June of last year, when I noticed this girl taking an interest in me. We'd see movies, go out to eat, and we'd hang out quite a bit, though I wouldn't have called it dating. I eventually noticed she liked me as something more than a friend, but I simply saw her as nothing more than one. I don't mean to be shallow or superficial, but she wasn't that pretty, and I thought I had to be attracted to a girl before I considered her.

Many times, she'd call me "emotionless," which was untrue; I display my emotions readily, but I had none that were special for her. Confusion on her part. Keep in mind through all this, she never told me she liked me, despite the fact that she's more of a blunt person.

However, we got closer anyway, and as I got to know her better, she became more attractive... but not attractive enough. I considered the possibility of something more, and sort of dismissed it.

Why? There was the looks department. When she whined, it was horribly annoying. We also came from different cultures (she's Asian, I'm white). Imagine meet the parents. They barely speak a word of English! I thought it wouldn't work out in the long run. Otherwise, we had many, many interests in common. We liked the same music, movies, entertainment, etc.

She was the closest friend I had at my university; much closer than regular "friends." The friendship became ambiguous. What were we? My feelings reached a critical point, and all the things that made me dismiss her earlier didn't matter anymore. This happened right around December, and then she pulled a mad 180 and suddenly started acting differently. I got the impression that she was angry at me. I didn't pay much attention, because I didn't have time to -- I ended up going out of town for 10 days. I got back in time for the New Year, and things had changed between us even more.

She was very distant. When we hung around mutual friends, there was never a conversation between the two of us. And when I asked her out to a movie or dinner, she'd say she was too busy, and offered BS reasons as to why.

By the end of January I felt I needed to get rid of the ambiguity between us and let her know how I felt about her, because now I was attracted to her, and cared about her deeply. I told her all this, and more. I was expected a "yes" or "no" response. What did I get?

First, a "Wow, no one has ever said anything like that to me," and then a "I pretty much thought of us as just friends" (BS! Everyone around us knew she liked me). "I'm really busy and stuff. I need to think about it."

Think about it? What the hell? I knew what the answer would be, and two days later I got it. She said that sometime in mid-December she was close to telling me how she felt, and thought about "us". Then she concluded that we weren't compatible. This was also pretty much BS; we are pretty damn compatible. Besides, it takes 6 months to realize you're not compatible? Her reasons? We were headed in different directions. I was more of an academic, and she did more extracirricular stuff. And that I frustrated her (maybe by not liking her right away). On top of that she started dating a guy I KNOW, who's shorter (than she is!) and fat, and in no way more compatible with her than I am. They'd even dated a year before, but stopped for some unknown reason. They're not even really "together." As she explained it, "we don't really know what we have between us." And "we enjoy each other's company some of the time, but not all of the time. There's a lot about him I need to figure out."

I felt extremely led on. Worse than that, I felt replaced, and replaced by something inferior, which made me feel inferior. She does things with him that we used to do together. She expressed a genuine desire to be friends, but the whole "friendship" was based on her liking me and the pretense of something beyond friendship. I really valued her as a friend, and I agreed to maintaining this friendship, but I also let her know things couldn't be the same between us. When I see her with the other guy, it really bothers me, especially when they get touchy.

It's been 3 weeks since I got her response, and I still think about her daily. I accept the fact that it wasn't meant to be, but her dating that guy really bothers me, especially when I'm around them. Also, I feel like I have to force the conversations between us. I feel like all this was way harder on me than on her, so why can't she let our friendship be as meaningful as it was before? Should I act nonchalant around her, or put some distance between us, or what? I don't want to drop the friendship or burn the bridge.
 

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If it's meant to be, it will happen. She could feel like she's not your first choice and it could bother her that it took you so long to want her. It could also be that she actually feels so strongly about you that she's afraid of trying to be a couple and having it not work out and losing the friendship.

If you genuinely love her and you believe she loves you too...just hang in there and give it time to sort itself out. Try not to get seriously involved with anyone else for awhile, but still date. IF the two of you do eventually end up together it will most likely be a very high quality relationship, so keep that in mind. Just be patient while still going about your life. It can be rough, but that's the smartest way to play a situation like this.
 

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Stop been a chump and see other girls

Don't make me come over there and slap some sense into you. Your story really touched me..... or maybe it's just the bile rising up my throat.

Here let me give you a head start:

Criteria for gf
Someone you are actually attracted to
Someone that doesn't have a BF
Someone that is interested

And that's only PART of MY list.

Also good friends don't bull$hit each other, she wants to play games and distance herself. You pull away too. If she isn't a headcase, she will come find you again, if not it's her problem.

Kaine
 

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Originally posted by Kaine
Stop been a chump and see other girls

Don't make me come over there and slap some sense into you. Your story really touched me..... or maybe it's just the bile rising up my throat.
Hahah. I think that's exactly what I needed to hear. I guess in a way, what happened really bruised my ego and killed my confidence. Well no more.

Only one problem. Is it possible to move on and stay friends with her at the same time? Or is it something that will torment me consistently?
 

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Originally posted by Spasmodic

Only one problem. Is it possible to move on and stay friends with her at the same time? Or is it something that will torment me consistently?
Forget about being friends... You had an opportunity and you
f ucked it up by not being able to take a decision fast (i.e. while her IL was high enough)
She herself did a very good job on you (her little games made your IL skyrocket, at least for a while...)
Now, all you gotta do is withdraw and start dating other girls... Don't worry she'll come back to you fast as long as you don't act needy and desperate for her affection...
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by Spasmodic
I noticed this girl taking an interest in me....I eventually noticed she liked me as something more than a friend...Many times, she'd call me "emotionless," which was untrue...but I had none that were special for her....I considered the possibility of something more, and sort of dismissed it....I got the impression that she was angry at me. I didn't pay much attention, because I didn't have time to...
So you basically give her the "LJBF" line while you KNEW she had the hots for you. She gets sick of the cold shoulder and her interest in you goes thrugh the floor. You suddenly decide you have the hots for her...and you can't understand why she's pissed? You think YOU've been led on?

You blew it Stud! There is no repairing this relationship. Move on.
 

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Gee... a woman changing her mind... I bet that's never happened before...

Sorry, couldn't resist. But this kind of thing is pretty standard stuff, at least from my experience.

NEXT...
 

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I think I can answer this just by looking at the title.

Learn this. It is important.

There is this saying going around here that women are like monkeys, they don't let go of one branch until they are holding onto another. It is very true.

With that said, women NEVER have "changes of heart." If they break this crap on you, it was a long time coming. Guaranteed. The only reason it comes "suddenly" is because they don't let go of you until they are certain they have a new prospect in mind. Whether you know about/of him or not is a whole different story.

When you are shopping for a new car, do you immediately trash your old car before buying a new one? No....that would be silly, you'd have no ride for a while. So you keep the old car until you actually get that new car.

On that day you bought the new car, were you very happy with your old car? Did you suddenly have a "change of heart" that day and decide to get a new car? No. You were looking at car magazines for months.

Enough said.
 

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Re: Re: Girl has a change of heart

Originally posted by WaterTiger
So you basically give her the "LJBF" line while you KNEW she had the hots for you. She gets sick of the cold shoulder and her interest in you goes thrugh the floor. You suddenly decide you have the hots for her...and you can't understand why she's pissed? You think YOU've been led on?

You blew it Stud! There is no repairing this relationship. Move on.
Well, here are a few more details that I left out the first time.

If I'm called emotionless, then it's fair to say I didn't give her any kind of impression that I liked her. How is that leading her on? It was her persistence. And at the time, no, I didn't understand why she was pissed, though obviously I do now. If she was so into me, and for so long, why didn't she open her mouth? When I was into her, it didn't take me long at all to say something.

As far as the women are monkey's analogy -- she told me that the other guy came after her decision about us (though suspiciously soon after. maybe a couple of weeks). And so I asked her, "so if he had nothing to do with "us", why did you tell me about him?" To which I get "If you found out, I didn't want you to think it was because of him." I don't see why she would lie about that. If I found out later it would've been worse, so if anything, she was softening the news.

She told me her distance was there in the last few weeks so I wouldn't get the wrong impression that she liked me. You can't undo a long time of signals overnight. Can't expect me to read her freaking mind.
 

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Here's the deal...all that time you were getting over all the thing you found unattractive about her and getting to like her more than a friend...she was spending all that time getting over what she found ATTRACTIVE about you and getting to like you as JUST a friend.

Cliff's Notes: You missed your chance.

She considered the possibility a long time ago, rather heavily. And she put it out of her head after a lot of time without reciprocation.

You can't expect to come back now, after she spent all that time getting over her romantic feelings for you, and expect her to come back because YOU have "gotten over her imperfections." I'd be downright insulted, because I'd think you just didn't have anything better going and were getting desperate.

I think there's a bigger question to be answered here, though.

Namely...WHY have you suddenly gotten over all these things you used to dislike about her? What suddenly makes you want an ugly, whiny, culture-shocked girlfriend?

Could it be that you haven't found anyone for a while and you're feeling insecure and desperate for girly companionship? So you thought you'd go back to your "sure thing"?

And then when you found out that it wasn't so "sure" after all, you panicked and got confused?

Tell this girl that you value her friendship.

Then...get out there and meet some new women.
 

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MOVE ON. YOU MESSED UP. HELLO? AM I GETTING TO YOU? NO.. I guess not, you'll still be calling her, being her "friend" .

See ya later, AFC.
 

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The Window

Most women give you a window of opportunity. The length the window is open will mostly depend on the women and her IL. Once you have some sort of regularly established communication you usually have between 3 days and 2 weeks to do something. There are all kinds of exceptions but this is the average.

She gave you about 5 months to make up your mind. No matter what that means her IL was high. Contact between you will be tense for a long time. Get back to developing a life apart from her. Maybe that window will open again, don't count on it and the only way to increase the chance is to make your own life better.

Don't worry about the "inferior" guy. He is a rebound and will probably be very sad very soon. You should feel bad for him.
 

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Originally posted by squirrels
Here's the deal...all that time you were getting over all the thing you found unattractive about her and getting to like her more than a friend...she was spending all that time getting over what she found ATTRACTIVE about you and getting to like you as JUST a friend.

Cliff's Notes: You missed your chance.

She considered the possibility a long time ago, rather heavily. And she put it out of her head after a lot of time without reciprocation.

You can't expect to come back now, after she spent all that time getting over her romantic feelings for you, and expect her to come back because YOU have "gotten over her imperfections." I'd be downright insulted, because I'd think you just didn't have anything better going and were getting desperate.

I think there's a bigger question to be answered here, though.

Namely...WHY have you suddenly gotten over all these things you used to dislike about her? What suddenly makes you want an ugly, whiny, culture-shocked girlfriend?

Could it be that you haven't found anyone for a while and you're feeling insecure and desperate for girly companionship? So you thought you'd go back to your "sure thing"?

And then when you found out that it wasn't so "sure" after all, you panicked and got confused?

Tell this girl that you value her friendship.

Then...get out there and meet some new women.
This is probably THE best damn post I've ever seen you make. You summed it up beautifully.
 

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Or maybe she found this site and used some DJ shiznit on you.
 

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Once you miss your chance, you wont get it back.
Those who hesitate are lost.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Originally posted by squirrels
Here's the deal...all that time you were getting over all the thing you found unattractive about her and getting to like her more than a friend...she was spending all that time getting over what she found ATTRACTIVE about you and getting to like you as JUST a friend.

Cliff's Notes: You missed your chance.

She considered the possibility a long time ago, rather heavily. And she put it out of her head after a lot of time without reciprocation.

You can't expect to come back now, after she spent all that time getting over her romantic feelings for you, and expect her to come back because YOU have "gotten over her imperfections." I'd be downright insulted, because I'd think you just didn't have anything better going and were getting desperate.

I think there's a bigger question to be answered here, though.

Namely...WHY have you suddenly gotten over all these things you used to dislike about her? What suddenly makes you want an ugly, whiny, culture-shocked girlfriend?

Could it be that you haven't found anyone for a while and you're feeling insecure and desperate for girly companionship? So you thought you'd go back to your "sure thing"?

And then when you found out that it wasn't so "sure" after all, you panicked and got confused?

Tell this girl that you value her friendship.

Then...get out there and meet some new women.
Actually, I didn't suddenly like her. My whole point was that it took time for me to like her for her inner personality and traits, and not to judge her on the outside.

What I did wasn't because I hadn't found anyone for a while, and I was feeling the opposite of insecure. I said those things to her because I truly cared about her and had feelings for her.

As for the rest of what you said, good analysis that is pretty much dead on. And good advice, thanks.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Girl has a change of heart

Originally posted by Spasmodic
...I didn't give her any kind of impression that I liked her....If she was so into me, and for so long, why didn't she open her mouth? When I was into her, it didn't take me long at all to say something.
She was scared to say anything for fear of rejection. You acted like you didn't care if she lived or died, and in the early stages you really didn't. She thinks you didn't like her.

Then later, you suddenly profess feelings for her! She's thinking : "WHAT???? You give me the cold shoulder for weeks and weeks and NOW you like me all of a sudden?"

She feels like you DID like her at the beginning but were just toying with her heart.
 
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