Girl dating strategy is common now

[IamtheAlphamale]

In my openions here is what is work now aday
1- Max your look as much as you can, it will make all other points more easy.
2- You are expected to have hair on your head, and some basic tuned body.
3- Do not run after women, women are watching you, and trying to see how much you are thirsty for women. However choose your one like eagles and go to that one only, if it fails keep fyling high again.
4- Don't try to show off, remember this girl might be last nigh with MMA player or F1 driver, so nothing you do will impress her and you will come as silly and naïve.
5- Don't show negatives and don't be honest, be like the sales person who only talks about positives.
6- Dont move faster than she is moving , it is another indicator you are thirsty, remember women never idle, and they assume you have at least one women, otherwise you are a loser.
7- Let your actions show you have an abundance of women , but never talk about that.

Thanks for contributing.

That would be intense if the girl was with an mma fighter the night before. I don't think that would happen in my area though

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

6a - if she's moving too slow, sh1t test her for compliance and cut bait if she fails

Thats interesting. I don't think I'm blood thirsty enough to do that. I'd probably be more likely to do a step back. Mainly cause I don't care too much and enjoy interacting with women

 

[Bingo-Player]

Its quite amusing because most female dating strategies are now diametrically opposed to male ones

Female strategies encourage maximum investment from the male very very quickly

I had a look on the FDS forum and I quickly read a lot of posts reading like........ " a walk and a coffee is not a first date" , he should be spending a week planning it out for you and you should feel like a princess when you go on it"

Male strategies encourage minimum investment into females because in 2023 I think most are aware women have a very skewed advantage in dating markets and therefore its painstakingly obvious you will very rarely be the only guy dating & talking to her

From a male perspective it makes little sense to put a large amount of time , attention or money into a new prospect because there's a very big probability it will lead to absolutely nothing

BUT

I can see the female perception of " well if he wants me he's going to have to work for me " and I kind of agree that a female of true value should demand that from her suitors , however there's a very very fine line between being hard to get and being impossible to get and I think a lot of women make the mistake of crossing it with very unrealistic expectations and trying to dictate terms with power plays

Ultimately a man cannot be a man if he is constantly trying to supplicate a female it wrecks the masculine / feminine polarity and everyone ends up miserable

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Its quite amusing because most female dating strategies are now diametrically opposed to male ones

Female strategies encourage maximum investment from the male very very quickly

I had a look on the FDS forum and I quickly read a lot of posts reading like........ " a walk and a coffee is not a first date" , he should be spending a week planning it out for you and you should feel like a princess when you go on it"

Male strategies encourage minimum investment into females because in 2023 I think most are aware women have a very skewed advantage in dating markets and therefore its painstakingly obvious you will very rarely be the only guy dating & talking to her

From a male perspective it makes little sense to put a large amount of time , attention or money into a new prospect because there's a very big probability it will lead to absolutely nothing

BUT

I can see the female perception of " well if he wants me he's going to have to work for me " and I kind of agree that a female of true value should demand that from her suitors , however there's a very very fine line between being hard to get and being impossible to get and I think a lot of women make the mistake of crossing it with very unrealistic expectations and trying to dictate terms with power plays

Ultimately a man cannot be a man if he is constantly trying to supplicate a female it wrecks the masculine / feminine polarity and everyone ends up miserable

The reasonable mid point would be that she is fine with his low committed dating idea and doesnt flake on him yet once he is sure she wont flake, he should put some effort to get intimacy.

The first date, no sex, no second date that @SW15 often mentions, has to finish if they want men to put some effort again...I mean girls have the right to quit anytime they want but at the same time they should also expect guys to do the same.

That's how it worked since forever.

They should understand that no man in his sane mind is gonna put time, effort and money on something that by deafult has a very low chance of success...even addict gamblers at some point leave the machine if they dont get anything out of it.

 

[Bingo-Player]

They should understand that no man in his sane mind is gonna put time, effort and money on something that by deafult has a very low chance of success...even addict gamblers at some point leave the machine if they dont get anything out of it.

The problem is a lot of men WILL do that , they will just pi$$ their attention and resources away on these girls without second thought

A lot of blue pill guys are so naive they think that eventually with enough begging and supplication she will submit to them like its a Disney movie

When a woman then comes across a man who doesn't operate in this way she either thinks he's not that bothered OR he is wierd

Its very difficult to break this cycle of nonsense

 

[Bigpapa]

When a woman then comes across a man who doesn't operate in this way she either thinks he's not that bothered OR he is wierd

Its very difficult to break this cycle of nonsense

She will think that you are a f8ckboy and can make things even more difficult ( depends how much DTF she is )

most girls do not have a high notch count to the levels that most guys think they have. Just look around how many women are out during the night ( most women are out during the day maybe evening )

the dating strategy of a guy to invest as little as possible ( usually financially ) is mainly because most guys are broke

if you would have money and paying for another person to eat something or whatever, is not really a big deal

not saying that you should pay, just saying that sometimes it makes sense to pay a brunch or something

dinners I kinda agree, they are kinda overrated

 

[kavi]

The dating market is so extremely messed up just looking at these discussions and issues.

As BigPapa said most guys are broke, the wage-gap is basically 0 meaning most guys have 0 extra cash on top of what women have, and most guys just dont have the money or confidence, energy to treat a woman like a princess given the average guy has been treated like **** his whole life and for some reason these deluded women dont get that and even in 2023 still talking crap nonesense like a guy should invest money let alone time and effort (more understandable) but this is completely stupid.

I think we need women groups like FDS and mens groups like Manoshphere/Sosuave to come together and discuss these things cos when each gender talks on their own the discussions are being completely divergent and polarised on either side, the mens side is basically domianated by PUAs and guys with high notch counts who are few but have the loudest voice and the womens side with talk about getting guys to invest and buy **** ie FINESSING so we basically have both sides of the discussion dominated by the bad actors the low value ppl and the ones causing problems for everyone else.

In the manosphere the guys with high notches just need to be shut down cos for sure these behaviours are causing the biggest problems cos likely they had had to lie to and manipualte women and probs causing the bad energy out there in women and the similarly frm women the finessers for money and drama/attention are the equivalent.

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

Its quite amusing because most female dating strategies are now diametrically opposed to male ones

Female strategies encourage maximum investment from the male very very quickly

I had a look on the FDS forum and I quickly read a lot of posts reading like........ " a walk and a coffee is not a first date" , he should be spending a week planning it out for you and you should feel like a princess when you go on it"

Male strategies encourage minimum investment into females because in 2023 I think most are aware women have a very skewed advantage in dating markets and therefore its painstakingly obvious you will very rarely be the only guy dating & talking to her

From a male perspective it makes little sense to put a large amount of time , attention or money into a new prospect because there's a very big probability it will lead to absolutely nothing

BUT

I can see the female perception of " well if he wants me he's going to have to work for me " and I kind of agree that a female of true value should demand that from her suitors , however there's a very very fine line between being hard to get and being impossible to get and I think a lot of women make the mistake of crossing it with very unrealistic expectations and trying to dictate terms with power plays

Ultimately a man cannot be a man if he is constantly trying to supplicate a female it wrecks the masculine / feminine polarity and everyone ends up miserable

Yeah, this is exactly it. They do this strategy where they only accept fancy dinner dates and purposely run up the bill to see how you react etc. It's pretty ridiculous.

I personally won't do dinner as a first date. I don't even accept that I have to pay for her. This isn't 1950, she's got a job.

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

The reasonable mid point would be that she is fine with his low committed dating idea and doesnt flake on him yet once he is sure she wont flake, he should put some effort to get intimacy.

The first date, no sex, no second date that @SW15 often mentions, has to finish if they want men to put some effort again...I mean girls have the right to quit anytime they want but at the same time they should also expect guys to do the same.

That's how it worked since forever.

They should understand that no man in his sane mind is gonna put time, effort and money on something that by deafult has a very low chance of success...even addict gamblers at some point leave the machine if they dont get anything out of it.

Yeah, I agree. They are asking for insane benefits. And also they intentionally try to put in zero effort into the relationship as a way to simp you, basically

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

The dating market is so extremely messed up just looking at these discussions and issues.

As BigPapa said most guys are broke, the wage-gap is basically 0 meaning most guys have 0 extra cash on top of what women have, and most guys just dont have the money or confidence, energy to treat a woman like a princess given the average guy has been treated like **** his whole life and for some reason these deluded women dont get that and even in 2023 still talking crap nonesense like a guy should invest money let alone time and effort (more understandable) but this is completely stupid.

I think we need women groups like FDS and mens groups like Manoshphere/Sosuave to come together and discuss these things cos when each gender talks on their own the discussions are being completely divergent and polarised on either side, the mens side is basically domianated by PUAs and guys with high notch counts who are few but have the loudest voice and the womens side with talk about getting guys to invest and buy **** ie FINESSING so we basically have both sides of the discussion dominated by the bad actors the low value ppl and the ones causing problems for everyone else.

In the manosphere the guys with high notches just need to be shut down cos for sure these behaviours are causing the biggest problems cos likely they had had to lie to and manipualte women and probs causing the bad energy out there in women and the similarly frm women the finessers for money and drama/attention are the equivalent.

That would be sweet to be able to have a coed discussion on this. I haven't had any luck in that regard because women start using this stuff on me. So it's really hard to get them to have a good conversation about strategy.

But yeah, that would be insanely interesting.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Interestingly, so many of you are focused on the first date costing money.

I've discussed this before: I target higher-level fitness women - I approach and use OLD. I always try to make the first meeting daytime and suggest a physical pursuit, even if it's just a quick walk around a lake or park. Depending on how we are grooving I’ll suggest an actual hike or walk on the beach.

This allows you to filter for several things:

• Daytime negates the use of a lot of makeup
• Physical pursuits require more revealing clothing
• Can she walk more than a mile without catching her breath or coughing?
• A hike or walk allows many different venues changes all at once: you could be walking stop to look at something, Kino opportunities are many, help her across an obstacle, sit on a fallen log or rock, or bench.
• If you do your logistics, you can plan it early enough to lead to an impromptu lunch. “Hey, I’m hungry let’s grab a bite! I know this fantastic place!” You're resourceful and spontaneous, chicks love that.

It works, provides many opportunities and information, and is low-cost.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Interestingly, so many of you are focused on the first date costing money.

I've discussed this before: I target higher-level fitness women - I approach and use OLD. I always try to make the first meeting daytime and suggest a physical pursuit, even if it's just a quick walk around a lake or park. Depending on how we are grooving I’ll suggest an actual hike or walk on the beach.

This allows you to filter for several things:

• Daytime negates the use of a lot of makeup
• Physical pursuits require more revealing clothing
• Can she walk more than a mile without catching her breath or coughing?
• A hike or walk allows many different venues changes all at once: you could be walking stop to look at something, Kino opportunities are many, help her across an obstacle, sit on a fallen log or rock, or bench.
• If you do your logistics, you can plan it early enough to lead to an impromptu lunch. “Hey, I’m hungry let’s grab a bite! I know this fantastic place!” You're resourceful and spontaneous, chicks love that.

It works, provides many opportunities and information, and is low-cost.

Great approach 9 months of the year for those who are into athletic women. If you're in a beach environment currently or live near a lake/river, this can work in the evening.

Where I live, it's 105 there's no water and I like big boobed women. As always, ymmv.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Great approach 9 months of the year for those who are into athletic women. If you're in a beach environment currently or live near a lake/river, this can work in the evening.

Where I live, it's 105 there's no water and I like big boobed women. As always, ymmv.

Dude, you can do this in Tucson - not saying it's where you are...

p.s. there are women who are athletes who have nice cans - I'm seeing one with natty C's - I consider her frame perfect, curvy as hell, tight supple skin, great legs, and amazing arse. That said, I did date a woman much like this one who had everything but a very modest chest. Still, she was gorgeous. I do like nice cans but they must be natty, and I will not allow for the rest of her to be fat in order to get them.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Dude, you can do this in Tucson - not saying it's where you are...

p.s. there are women who are athletes who have nice cans - I'm seeing one with natty C's - I consider her frame perfect, curvy as hell, tight supple skin, great legs, and amazing arse. That said, I did date a woman much like this one who had everything but a very modest chest. Still, she was gorgeous. I do like nice cans but they must be natty, and I will not allow for the rest of her to be fat in order to get them.

Boobsweat

FR though if it's too hot it can cloud your thinking somewhat and she expecting you to remember detail #354 she told you from her childhood in case it comes up in convo. In Dallas, for example it's 96 with 50% humidity today and it's only going to be getting hotter

I wouldn't take a prospect ice fishing either when it's so cold you're talking through chattering teeth.

Comfort is key when you're trying to escalate.

 

[SW15]

In Dallas, for example it's 96 with 50% humidity today and it's only going to be getting hotter

Comfort is key when you're trying to escalate.

Outdoor dates in Dallas aren't a very good idea for most of the year because of the comfort factor.

In summer, it is often too hot and too humid.

Winter can have some cold snaps that are unpleasant. I've been in Dallas on days with the temperature near 0 degrees Fahrenheit. I've also seen winter days in Dallas around 75-80 degrees Fahrenheit that are pleasant.

However, if you can time things well, an outdoor date in Dallas can work pretty well. There aren't a lot of major elevation changes around the area, so hiking isn't that common and isn't that popular. There are some other good outdoor dates that can happen here.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Outdoor dates in Dallas aren't a very good idea for most of the year because of the comfort factor.

In summer, it is often too hot and too humid.

Winter can have some cold snaps that are unpleasant. I've been in Dallas on days with the temperature near 0 degrees Fahrenheit. I've also seen winter days in Dallas around 75-80 degrees Fahrenheit that are pleasant.

However, if you can time things well, an outdoor date in Dallas can work pretty well. There aren't a lot of major elevation changes around the area, so hiking isn't that common and isn't that popular. There are some other good outdoor dates that can happen here.

Like walking around Possum Kingdom huh?

 

[SW15]

Like walking around Possum Kingdom huh?

No. That's too far from Dallas. I've never heard anyone around Dallas ever talk about Possum Kingdom Lake.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

No. That's too far from Dallas. I've never heard anyone around Dallas ever talk about Possum Kingdom Lake.

The Toadies from Ft Worth had a big hit single about it

 

[BeExcellent]

Kinda late to this thread. But as the old lady around here I’ll add a couple of things.

Firstly the OP completely missed the sarcasm of @The Duke in his post. You see, Duke already thoroughly understands women, and game and is mad successful at charming and engaging women. So exactly how is “girl game” going to affect a guy like Duke? So his question was tongue in cheek because he’s not struggling with “girl game”.

There is something that will work on a man like Duke, however, but it is very rare to find in the wild. It is genuine authenticity by a beautiful woman. Nothing disarms and charms a man like genuine authenticity, it’s bewitching. Why? It’s not a trick or technique, it’s real. And men like Duke are extremely game aware, they’ve seen most everything and aren’t fooled by behavior of typical women. Real is rare. No one knows this better than the true players and playboys out there…and they fall for real in spite of themselves.

I’ve been around here for a number of years. My first husband was a nightclub owner at a top nightclub. I’ve got a number of close male friends (all players or playboys) and I consider myself extraordinarily game aware for a chick. Men invest in me and fall for me quickly, even the playboys. Doesn’t hurt that I’m physically attractive of course, but because I’m accustomed to high status good looking men I’m not easily impressed and I never (NEVER) pursue a man. I’ve never needed to.

As a result I can afford to be quite choosy. So there is no game required. A man either shows some effort/interest/investment or he does not get an opportunity. Period. If the man does not initiate interest? I’ve nothing to respond to. There are too many high quality men who do show interest for me to bother chasing men who don’t show interest.

The OP has no clue how to deal with a woman who doesn’t need girl game.

 

[member160292]

Push-Pull is the single most dangerous and toxic strategy in women's FDS handbook. Pull you close (lovebombing), Push you away (distancing). Similar to what @BillyPilgrim wrote. It will cause any independent self-sufficient man to succumb to levels of stress he'd never seen before.

I don't recall where I read this, I think it was Heartiste years ago, that for women Push-Pull is employed subconsciously meaning not necessarily a game. It's part of their female nature being fickle, changeable, unpredictable often times unstable creatures.

This is why it's so toxic, it done with such finesse, men have no clue how to respond to it. If it was a clear game and done for the purpose of driving men to stress, men would know how to deal, but it's not, it's part if their female nature.

Heartiste wrote men employ the same strategy but its intentional, a byproduct of game. Many savvy women have become hip to it and will either up the ante or otherwise not let if affect them.

Yup! That’s why you deploy your frame early on so they don’t have a chance to go push-pull on you. Have enough crap going on with your life so when you are dating, it is on your terms.

Set up the date, time and location.
Follow up with a nice message about it.
Disappear for some time.
Propose another date.

No time to guess how she feels, the medium is in the message. She accepts, good. Anything else is a baby tuna you toss back into the ocean to hook up again someday