Girl and Abortion

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by Dark Nimbus
Well in her case, she was 5 months in and wanted to keep it, but because of him and what he said to her, she backed out.

ok, he had like a mini brain. Still not good enough

I don't know. If you're thinking THAT FAR down the road and considering having a child with her already... and considering breaking up because of that...

Why won't you deal with the problems as they arize?

 

[00Kevin]

I would never date a woman who had an abortion unless she did it to save her own life or unless she was sorry for what she did.

It makes me sick that people are willing to through life away for the sake of their own selfish desires.

Women have a responsibility in life that men don't have. That is the responsibility to bring forth life and raise children.

There are just too many women having abortions just for the sake of not having to deal with the responsibility of having a child. A woman that does this is saying, “look at me, I am totally irresponsible, I can't even raise a child. I would rather throw life away then to take on any sort of responsibility for my actions. After all, my own selfish desires are more important then life.”

On the other side, a woman that raises that child deserves more respect then you can possibly imagine. As does the woman that gives up her life for that child.




What is the best way to unload a truck full of babies?



Answer: “well...I don’t want to break my back and spend the entire day feeding and cleaning them all… So I think I’ll just get my pitch fork out and go to work”

 

[princelydeeds]

Isn't is Ironic that so many people are anti- abortion until their 14 year old, honor student, angelic, daughter is pregnant.

The abortion has absolutely nothing to do with you. Chalk it up to her experience. She trusted you enough to tell you the truth. Be "honorable" enough not to judge her for it.

 

[Ice Cold]

Had she been smart, she would've kept her trap shut about this.

She'll learn with time, not to tell about abortion, number of sex partners, etc...

And you'll learn not to ask

 

[Life-Trainee]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
I would never date a woman who had an abortion unless she did it to save her own life or unless she was sorry for what she did.

It makes me sick that people are willing to through life away for the sake of their own selfish desires.

Women have a responsibility in life that men don't have. That is the responsibility to bring forth life and raise children.

There are just too many women having abortions just for the sake of not having to deal with the responsibility of having a child. A woman that does this is saying, “look at me, I am totally irresponsible, I can't even raise a child. I would rather throw life away then to take on any sort of responsibility for my actions. After all, my own selfish desires are more important then life.”

On the other side, a woman that raises that child deserves more respect then you can possibly imagine. As does the woman that gives up her life for that child.

What is the best way to unload a truck full of babies?

Answer: “well...I don’t want to break my back and spend the entire day feeding and cleaning them all… So I think I’ll just get my pitch fork out and go to work”

Women should not be forced into having children just due to a biological predisposition. If anything we learn from nature is that the reproductive host, the mother is the priority in the process. If the mother suffers horrible malnutrition, injury, stress or disease the body produces miscarriage because the host organism is unable to provide. In our modern world, the concept of "providing" is much higher than on a basic chemical level. We have complex societies, work classes, and statuses. If a mother desides that the financial, social, circumstantial environment is untimely for a child then she shall have a choice of "intervention". That's being responsible. Would you rather every college girl who has sex get pregnant and stay at home and care for their baby?? I really don't understand reasoning behind your argument.

There are just too many women having abortions just for the sake of not having to deal with the responsibility of having a child.

Wait, wait, what would you rather them do?? "Oops, got knocked up, there goes my life." Your argument is faulty. It's as if motherhood is an uncontrollable inevitability. Analogous to your argument just to blow it out of proportion I could say that death is inevitable therefore you shouldn't try to stay alive with doctors and medication.

 

[MetalFortress]

Re: Don of Truth, good point, but

One of the most charismatic, intelligent speakers I've ever seen, a speaker on abstinence named Pam Stenzel, was the daughter of a woman who got raped when she was 15. So don't anyone pull the rape card. A real woman treasures life too much to simply throw it away with crap like abortions. And I don't know about you, but I want a real woman, not one of these masculine liberal chicks.

 

[princelydeeds]

Re: Re: Don of Truth, good point, but

Originally posted by MetalFortress
One of the most charismatic, intelligent speakers I've ever seen, a speaker on abstinence named Pam Stenzel, was the daughter of a woman who got raped when she was 15. So don't anyone pull the rape card. A real woman treasures life too much to simply throw it away with crap like abortions. And I don't know about you, but I want a real woman, not one of these masculine liberal chicks.

Thats called an anecdote. Its a great sotry her mother was raped yada, yada, yada. She and you and everyone else is entitled to an opinion. IMHO It boils down to this one point, If You Don't Believe In Abortion Don't Have An Abortion

 

[dietzcoi]

Well I for one am glad Hitler's mother did not have an abortion!! After all he was a good public speaker too! Very charismatic!

It is a stupid arguement against abortion. What if the rapist at the last minute changed his mind? Then the girl would not have been born either. Would that be wrong? You people are fools.

THe only thing to consider is the ruination of the life of the young parents. The unborn child is a theoretical person only. Just like the theorectical person who may be born if I go out right now and rape a 15 year old girl. I guess I go better do it or that person will never live! Might be the next Einstein or Ted Bundy, who knows?

The arguments against abortion are idiotic. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one! Oh wait, we are all men here........

Dietzcoi

 

[SDBmania]

dietzcoi that's sort of what I was thinking, I'm just too sick right now to type it all down. I was using the rape case as an example, but was not nessisarily giving a position.

 

[EternalBachelor]

Just because she had an abortion does not mean she was having unprotected sex and is stupid or a slut. No contraception is 100% reliable and she could have just been unlucky. If she had an abortion that is her affair and a personal decision, you shouldn't think less of her because of that. Besides if she hadn't had an abortion she would be a single mum which must be unbearable at that age.

 

[maranathaman]

I don't think Abortion is a good thing.
However, I wouldn't hold it against the girl for making a mistake,
if she sees it as a mistake.
Many women who have had Abortions, now greatly regret it.
I've made my share of bad mistakes,
and will probably do so again before I'm through.
However, if she has no ethical problem with having abortions, and would do it again, I couldn't love that kind of woman. Especially since there are so many loving couples who are waiting for a baby to adopt...

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Re: Re: Don of Truth, good point, but

Originally posted by MetalFortress
One of the most charismatic, intelligent speakers I've ever seen, a speaker on abstinence named Pam Stenzel, was the daughter of a woman who got raped when she was 15. So don't anyone pull the rape card. A real woman treasures life too much to simply throw it away with crap like abortions. And I don't know about you, but I want a real woman, not one of these masculine liberal chicks.

I certainly wouldn't want any woman carrying around the child of a rapist. She already has to go through the trauma of rape and now you expect her to carry around some scumbags kid?

Typically, the only people who are anti-abortion are right wing christians who want to force their beliefs on others. These are the same people in the Bush Theocracy who refuse to help fund abortion clinics in Africa so now women must die in botched abortions and African governments are stuck with more mouths that they can't feed.

The Bush Administrations policy on abortion has lead to the deaths of 140,000 women and children in Africa.

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1293

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Life-Trainee
Women should not be forced into having children just due to a biological predisposition.

That is just a fact regarding their biological predisposition they should accept it.

Women ARE forced into having children whether they like it or not. Why can't they accept that? what is wrong with accepting this responsibility? what is wrong with a woman accepting the
fact that she is different. Your argument is cold and is void of all maner of compasion for life. It suggests that people should just act like robots and not listen to what is in their hearts. Can you justify the 160,000 abortions / year in the uk? does the thought of that not suggest that there is something that human kind is doing wrong?

That's being responsible. Would you rather every college girl who has sex get pregnant and stay at home and care for their baby?? I really don't understand reasoning behind your argument.

I really don't understand your argument. she should of showed responsibility in the first place and not became preg while she was in college. If she wants to abort the child then she will have to live with a great sorrow in her heart for the rest of her life. Have you not considered this? if not then you should read up on how depressed women become after they have abortions.

Wait, wait, what would you rather them do?? "Oops, got knocked up, there goes my life."

I think your argument is faulty. Raising a child is far more rewarding then living with the fact that you aborted your own child for selfish desires.

Since when does having a child end your life? explain this too me? Explain how this is a bad thing. Why are you telling women that the glass is half empty when is it really half full? Women need to be told that having a child will not end their life! that is just totally wrong. I know many single mothers who love their children. They are happy and they would never give up their child for anything!. The fact is a woman CAN still go to school and be successfull with a child. We have all the modern social contructs to make this a reality just as you say. So why would you tell them otherwise? What should happen is that people like you should help these women out. Show some compasion and respect for them. Don't just suggest that they have an abortion.

I guess it is easy for you to wipe your hands of the issue and turn your heart into stone and suport a scientific perspective. So be it, be that way, but you had best hope that there isn't anything more to life then just what science tells you.

Abortion is the easy way out for everyone.
The good path is always the difficult one, but the wrong path is always the easy one.

anyway.. I don't care to turn this thread into an abortion debate.


for me.. I would have little respect for the woman that had an abortion. I would also make it clear to her that what she did was wrong. I have a right to belive what I want to and if she doesn't belive in the same thing then I cannot have a long term relationship with her. It would make me sick.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Ice Cold
Had she been smart, she would've kept her trap shut about this.

She'll learn with time, not to tell about abortion, number of sex partners, etc...

And you'll learn not to ask

she will learn not to say anything.. but he shouldn't learn not to ask. He should ask and if the girl doesn't measure up then he should next her. after all he is a man and he shouldn't waste his time.

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by maranathaman
I don't think Abortion is a good thing.
However, I wouldn't hold it against the girl for making a mistake,
if she sees it as a mistake.
Many women who have had Abortions, now greatly regret it.
I've made my share of bad mistakes,
and will probably do so again before I'm through.
However, if she has no ethical problem with having abortions, and would do it again, I couldn't love that kind of woman. Especially since there are so many loving couples who are waiting for a baby to adopt...

I agree with what you said here.

 

[Ice Cold]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
she will learn not to say anything.. but he shouldn't learn not to ask. He should ask and if the girl doesn't measure up then he should next her. after all he is a man and he shouldn't waste his time.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

Whether or not she had an abortion doesn't influence the potential relationship.

There are things all people do, but they should be hidden during the courtship ritual. They don't matter for the lives of the "spouses" but will spiol the relationship.

 

[John_Galt]

Yes I'd date a girl that had an abortion. Chicks that abort are a real turn on. Kids, who needs them.

 

[howardalex]

I want to have kids some day but the abortion wouldn't be a bad thing - it shows she has a brain....plus chances are, she won't trap you with a kid

 

[ValleyDJing]

I would never date a woman who had an abortion unless she did it to save her own life or unless she was sorry for what she did.

It makes me sick that people are willing to through life away for the sake of their own selfish desires.

Same here. Abortion is f.ucked up. Why would I waste my time on a girl with such low moral standards?


"Oh I can't afford the baby." Well actually, yes you can. You might have to drop out of that Ivy League school you're going to, or sell your car and start riding the bus. You may not be able to afford 300 dollar purses anymore or wear designer labels. Same goes for the guys who are responsible. Yes yes, we all know about your dream of being a rock star. "Yeah I can't deal with a baby right now, I'm just about to break through." Well guess what? You f.ucked up and got a girl pregnant. Now she needs your help raising a baby. Get a job...join the military, do something. Man up and pay for your mistakes.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Your opinion of the girl is simply a reflection of your stance on abortion, whatever it may be. If she got knocked up, and you would want her to abort, then it is a good thing. If you would not want that, then it is not such a good thing.