Getting Physical to retain Alpha Status

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Do you guys ever need to do this with your friends? I got this one friend who tests me sometimes and the other day i just snapped and smashed him onto the ground and wrestled him into submission with a choke hold.

Afterwards i felt powerful and dominant. I even laughed about it later and felt exalted by the experience.
 

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Welcome to "Why men like sports."

Yeah, that stuff is good sometimes. Rough-housing is great, even when you lose.

~Vibe~
 

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LOL, you are an azz!

Yea, did that when I was 12.

:crackup:

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I would do whatever possible to avoid "getting physical" w/anyone, particularly strangers. I have a few reasons for this. Firstly, you can never underestimate anybody. A guy may look smaller than you, but he may be either A) really tough and/or trained or experienced in street fighting , B) mental and/or armed C) a combination of A and B. Which could well lead to alot of healing and/or trouble for you. Secondly, even when you "win" the battle, you lose the war , so to speak. When getting physical, also known as fighting, even if you win you ultimately lose. Because generally what happens is the loser gets taken to an ER and the winner gets booked for assault, battery, possibly even other things like "aggravated" assault and battery or even "GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm)" if the winner used some kind of blunt object or brass knuckles or something to effect his victory. Furthermore , beyond his immediate legal troubles, the winner then will quite possibly have to face civil-suit troubles. How "alpha" will he feel awaiting bail, on house arrest, facing time, and then being sued until he's so in debt he can't see straight?? So, even if you're built like an offensive lineman, getting physical to retain "alpha" (or perceived "alpha") status is really not a good idea whatsoever in this day and age. Walking away is the greater victory, the true "alpha" male maneuver, in my eyes, with the exception of situations of immediate self-defense (obviously) and probably defense of , say, an immediate family member who was under attack (though you'll still probably face sh*t if you dole out a beating to someone who was fighting w/your brother or sister, it might be at least understandable in that case). But to retain "alpha" status in , say, a club or bar type situation, where someone is just talking sh*t , forget it.
Believe it or not, I spent 363 days straight incarcerated , my entire 19th year, at Cook County Jail, for "getting physical" in what is today known as "road rage" where I , in my youthful stupidity, felt I had to retain my "alpha" status. It set me straight and I learned why it's important to obey the law as much as possible in every respect. I know it doesn't have that effect on everyone, but for me at least it (fortunately) did.

~Dino~
 

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I think he was referring to wrestling with friends, not strangers...

But still...yeah...don't fight with strangers.

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Oh, sorry then.......... yeah w/friends, whatever. I mean, I'm 30 yrs old so we don't clown like that anymore , but I did back when I was in my teen yrs sure.
 

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Originally posted by DinoCassanova
I would do whatever possible to avoid "getting physical" w/anyone, particularly strangers. I have a few reasons for this. Firstly, you can never underestimate anybody. A guy may look smaller than you, but he may be either A) really tough and/or trained or experienced in street fighting , B) mental and/or armed C) a combination of A and B. Which could well lead to alot of healing and/or trouble for you. Secondly, even when you "win" the battle, you lose the war , so to speak. When getting physical, also known as fighting, even if you win you ultimately lose. Because generally what happens is the loser gets taken to an ER and the winner gets booked for assault, battery, possibly even other things like "aggravated" assault and battery or even "GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm)" if the winner used some kind of blunt object or brass knuckles or something to effect his victory. Furthermore , beyond his immediate legal troubles, the winner then will quite possibly have to face civil-suit troubles. How "alpha" will he feel awaiting bail, on house arrest, facing time, and then being sued until he's so in debt he can't see straight?? So, even if you're built like an offensive lineman, getting physical to retain "alpha" (or perceived "alpha") status is really not a good idea whatsoever in this day and age. Walking away is the greater victory, the true "alpha" male maneuver, in my eyes, with the exception of situations of immediate self-defense (obviously) and probably defense of , say, an immediate family member who was under attack (though you'll still probably face sh*t if you dole out a beating to someone who was fighting w/your brother or sister, it might be at least understandable in that case). But to retain "alpha" status in , say, a club or bar type situation, where someone is just talking sh*t , forget it.
Believe it or not, I spent 363 days straight incarcerated , my entire 19th year, at Cook County Jail, for "getting physical" in what is today known as "road rage" where I , in my youthful stupidity, felt I had to retain my "alpha" status. It set me straight and I learned why it's important to obey the law as much as possible in every respect. I know it doesn't have that effect on everyone, but for me at least it (fortunately) did.

~Dino~
Good wake up call for all the young guys who are always looking for a fight.

Can you give details about what exactly happened to get you thrown in the slammer?
 

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Can you give details about what exactly happened to get you thrown in the slammer?

>>> It just started as a run-in on the road, with another driver. The guy was an older male, Caucasian, maybe late 30's early 40's. I was 18, fresh out of high school and had just gotten my first "fast" car, which was kind of an "in" car at the time; an IROC-Z28, 1990 model. So, I was driving , near my high school actually, I had graduated earlier that summer, and he was on my a$$ really bad. I recall it very vividly, how he was on a cell phone and he was driving a Cadillac Allante (which is an old no longer made model of Caddy). He looked like a d*ck to me, in my rearview mirror. My testosterone level was high, you know how it gets out there sometimes, and so I just kept riding slower and slower until we were down to like 25 or so and he still wouldn't come up around me. So finally he did, and as he tried to pass I kept gunning my car forward (mine seemed to be faster) and not letting him pass. Then he would have to fall in behind again. He got next to me again and I gave him the finger, and then he started giving it back and we were both hollering at each other through the windows and all that, and he started yelling at me to pull over up ahead where there was a parking lot to a little strip mall type of place. So, fatefully, we both pulled in there. He got out and started marching toward my car and I got out, but I brought out with me one of these steel retractable batons. Kind of like police might have? And he got in my face and was yelling , and I shoved him off, and it got physical, and I whipped that baton out (you have to like whip it downward to make it come out) and I cracked him right in the rib area with it. He went down against my car from that, and then I just , basically, put a real good f*ckin beating into him. I broke four of his vertebrae , two of his ribs, and his jaw because I also kicked him square in the face when he was down. Other people had pulled over by that time and saw me giving out this beating and I got in the car and took off , and awhile later cops came to my house. Somebody had got my plate, obviously. So since it was my very first offense it cost me a lot of money , my family rather, and I was able to plead it down into less than a felony (they initially wanted it to be agg.assault & battery w/grievous bodily harm) if I pled guilty, so I got 363 days in County and a fine, and had to pay all court costs and take anger management classes while in jail, and one year of parole after the served time was up. They kept me in there for the maximum possible before they have to send you to a state prison ( you can never be sentenced to anything more than 364 days in a county jail ; those who are in there longer are usually guys who are awaiting trial on real heavy cases and cannot make bail). Lesson: though it may have momentarily felt/seemed that way, I was not the "alpha" male in that situation. I was just a young kid with an anger/ emotional problem who got caught up in the heat of a moment and could have killed someone. ( In which case, incidentally, we would not be having this conversation right now). ~Dino~
 

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Crazy story Dino. I actually usually carry an ASP on me. Never had to whip it out and hope I don't have to, because it's going to be hard to explain to the police why I had it on me.

Just re-read your story. Damn, how did you manage to break his neck like that?
 

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I was dining at a Friday's and overheard some 40 year old guy bragging to some women about the fights he was getting into (and supposedly winning).
Not a street hoodlum looking guy either, which I thought was odd.
I literally couldn't believe that a 40 year old man was braggin like a high schooler about fights. Sheesh.
 

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C00L: Dont listen to JC Jerkson... he's miles away from understanding what a DJ is. If you want to step into the next level, do the George McFly backshot. THAT is DJ at its best.
 

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Originally posted by DinoCassanova
Can you give details about what exactly happened to get you thrown in the slammer?

>>> It just started as a run-in on the road, with another driver. The guy was an older male, Caucasian, maybe late 30's early 40's. I was 18, fresh out of high school and had just gotten my first "fast" car, which was kind of an "in" car at the time; an IROC-Z28, 1990 model. So, I was driving , near my high school actually, I had graduated earlier that summer, and he was on my a$$ really bad. I recall it very vividly, how he was on a cell phone and he was driving a Cadillac Allante (which is an old no longer made model of Caddy). He looked like a d*ck to me, in my rearview mirror. My testosterone level was high, you know how it gets out there sometimes, and so I just kept riding slower and slower until we were down to like 25 or so and he still wouldn't come up around me. So finally he did, and as he tried to pass I kept gunning my car forward (mine seemed to be faster) and not letting him pass. Then he would have to fall in behind again. He got next to me again and I gave him the finger, and then he started giving it back and we were both hollering at each other through the windows and all that, and he started yelling at me to pull over up ahead where there was a parking lot to a little strip mall type of place. So, fatefully, we both pulled in there. He got out and started marching toward my car and I got out, but I brought out with me one of these steel retractable batons. Kind of like police might have? And he got in my face and was yelling , and I shoved him off, and it got physical, and I whipped that baton out (you have to like whip it downward to make it come out) and I cracked him right in the rib area with it. He went down against my car from that, and then I just , basically, put a real good f*ckin beating into him. I broke four of his vertebrae , two of his ribs, and his jaw because I also kicked him square in the face when he was down. Other people had pulled over by that time and saw me giving out this beating and I got in the car and took off , and awhile later cops came to my house. Somebody had got my plate, obviously. So since it was my very first offense it cost me a lot of money , my family rather, and I was able to plead it down into less than a felony (they initially wanted it to be agg.assault & battery w/grievous bodily harm) if I pled guilty, so I got 363 days in County and a fine, and had to pay all court costs and take anger management classes while in jail, and one year of parole after the served time was up. They kept me in there for the maximum possible before they have to send you to a state prison ( you can never be sentenced to anything more than 364 days in a county jail ; those who are in there longer are usually guys who are awaiting trial on real heavy cases and cannot make bail). Lesson: though it may have momentarily felt/seemed that way, I was not the "alpha" male in that situation. I was just a young kid with an anger/ emotional problem who got caught up in the heat of a moment and could have killed someone. ( In which case, incidentally, we would not be having this conversation right now). ~Dino~

exactly...

Luckliy, I have a dad that has tought me the ropes in life...

It's not cool to beat people up to make you feel better...

Now, if a guy is physically threating to beat up a GF of mine or one of my 2 best friends or family members, than I have to do what I have to do... But just becasue a guy is saying some things I don't like or wants to start something, I know better.

My dad taught me all kinds of tricks.. . like if you get jumped, make sure you beat the l iving **** out of one guy and hold on to him until the police comes..

Sometimes you have to just think about the situation.. always try to think 10 steps ahead... if you see no other alternative, then fight.
 

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Damn, how did you manage to break his neck like that?

Well, actually, I didn't do so. It was just ( I say "just" , now , as if it's nothing) four small "fractures" (not technically breaks; I misworded it) in four of the vertebraes of the man's middle back area. I guess it's very painful, but it doesn't technically constitute a broken back , and definitely not a broken neck. The damage to the back, and the ribs, was caused by repeated blows from the steel baton, and the other damage, the facial damage, was caused by my shoe. To the best of my knowledge the man recovered well, w/no permanent damage (maybe just slight occasional back problems, but the bones all healed). It took him about six months for full recovery I was told. It was/ is scary to think that had I hit him maybe just several times more, and in the same spot of the back, he could have actually been left w/paralyzing damage, in which case I would - at this age - have, to say the least, a huge deal of guilt. Theoretically, I realize I should have been convicted of a felony for what I did. It was a felony up to one point in the court proceedings where suddenly my lawyer and the prosecuting lawyers all huddled up for awhile, and then a recess was called, and then next thing I know my guy's talking to me about pleading guilty and taking a lesser charge, w/the jail time followed by 1 year parole as the deal. So I took it. The alternative , had I been found guilty, could have been about 3 years in the state penitentiary. I would have been released from the jail in approximately half the time, due to Cook County's "2 for 1" day program, but I showed an anger problem again in there by fighting w/another inmate once so my potential for "2 for 1" was pretty much shot by that.

I think it was backbreaker who posted about not using violence except to defend one's self, family, or two close friends, and then beating the living hell out of the guy if he ever had to, or whatever exactly it was that he said. But I would advise against it in all but the most extreme of self (or family or friend) defense circumstances.

~Dino~
 

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I literally couldn't believe that a 40 year old man was braggin like a high schooler about fights

>>> Firstly his bragging was probably false. Anybody who has to tell people, especially over dinner at TGI Fridays, how many fights he's won, has probably not in reality ever experienced any. As I said, in general you don't just get into these kinds of things and walk away scot-free afterwards, even if you are the....I won't say winner......I'll say the last man standing. So I doubt he'd be able to have been in many real, brutal street fights. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Sure wouldn't be the first time. ~Dino
 

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do the George McFly backshot

>> What IS the "George McFly backshot", that's the character from Back to the Future right? ~Dino
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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