Getting girls that are our of you league socially

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't care if you have 50 cents in your pocket..YOU are the prize....she should be tickled to death just to be able to bask in your presence.

50 cents and a magic stick

 

[ChillDude01]

I don't care if you have 50 cents in your pocket..YOU are the prize....she should be tickled to death just to be able to bask in your presence.

lol i get what youre saying but that is not the reality of how things work, you wanna be the prize, you can be for a woman who is not used to men like you or a 6/10 who wanna get that hot 8/10 dude, but if she is rich, hot and has men running after her , you wont be able to score her with ease and you will have to show some serious value to get her

 

[Red Legg]

50 cents and a magic stick

He is only 24 I should cut him some slack. I thought the same sh!t as him when I was that age.What he doesn't realize yet is women are not worth 50 cents...

 

[IKO69]

actually being an accountant is great they make pretty good money and people know accoutants are good at math, youre focusing too much on this doctor thing .

as for not caring about other men, its simply not possible, i dont catch fish and throw back, the girls themselves start becoming distant and then i find out another guy is involved, its kinda pointless explaining it to you iam a colleg student and youre probably way past college and face a deifferent scenario, at 35 most women your age or a little younger want any guy they can get cause their clock is ticking and are ready to settle for less, the women i have to do deal with though ( you probably know this) , are young and hot and have their dady paying for everything and pressuring them to be a certain way which is not bad per se but when it comes to dating men like me are preseneted with a disadvantage .... is she going to choose the poor dude with the average life style whose fun and 8/10 or the 6.5/10 who comes from a family of engineers, has a degree in mechanical engineering, a nice house and new car that his dad just got him ? usually its the second one even if its just for a fling .


dont get me wrong iam not saying i dont get women, i do and they are usually interested in my looks and personality but that interest is gone fast when they realize they can score a higher status guy, at this point i cant do much but work to improve my situation which iam doing ( most rich people werent born rich ) but ignoring this fact and acting like a high status guy when i cant back it up is not gonna work , i will look so fake doing it ... i mean sure i can act charming and like a winner but if at some point i have to prove it to the chick that iam who i claim to be then i wont be able to do it and she will know that its all fake and not the real me .

Lol, yes I can tell you are of college age....you have lots to learn.

The only thing that is holding you back is yourself. 20 something year olds are largely looking to experiment (and I know this because even though I am in my 30's it's not as if I forgot what I was like in my 20's or that I don't pursue women in their 20's); you are getting dates and not sealing the deal, it's because you are ****ing something up. If there is truth to what you say then you obviously aren't conveying enough value/haven't sold these girls on what you have to offer. It's as simple as that. Most women aren't so set in their belief that unless the guy is gonna be a doctor or something she won't be with him. There are women like that, don't get me wrong and you'll find them on seekingarrangement, but women are in pursuit of men who have value - people in your age bracket are far removed from that dream occupation, but they can sell their hopes and dreams.

All I see is a bunch of excuse making about upbringing, your parents, and all these supposed guys who have the "edge" - just admit deep down you feel inferior, that's what he real issue is. Winners find ways to get it done, losers look for and find hurdles and complain. I am not calling you a loser, i'm just pointing out what is obviously going on here. I'm 35 years old - you are not going to disprove me on something I have seen play out hundred of times over. Do you know how many hot girls (from "good" upbringings that you want to stress) date local muscians and people in those circles? Someone else can back me up on this because they've undoubtedly seen the same - guys that have less than a 10% chance of making it when the same girl instead could be with the "safe" bet? It goes back to what I had said previously - the guy is able to demonstrate value. He carries himself in the right manner and knows how to rap (as in talk, not the music) - he was able to sell the woman on his plans - whether he carries them out or not remains to be seen. Some of you young guys just look at the outside and discount the internal;, the personality and character, not realizing that can compensate for a lack of "nice stuff" and privilege.

 

[IKO69]

He is only 24 I should cut him some slack. I thought the same sh!t as him when I was that age.What he doesn't realize yet is women are not worth 50 cents...

Most of us have and did believe that way at one point. I always just about fall off my chair when you get these guys that are like "But your so and so years old, you are completely removed from my situation" looooooool, that's all the reason you should listen, we've already been there, done that, and know what we are talking about Watson. My occupation is Finance - I'm trying to get out of it now and am almost done with a degree in IT, but I have worked as a financial accountant and investment banker - i've run into the type of the people (clients and coworkers) the author is talking about who would say the same bull****, and after some time I did realize it was just that, bull****. Early on I had the same problems and would strike out more often then not because I wasn't fully sure of myself until one day I just realized I am not that bad, I am smart, I have a good job, i'm pretty decent looking. My demeanor and how I carried myself changed. Consequently so did my dating life. Whenever I had women that would throw that kind of crap my way i'd look at them in way where I was like "Just who the **** are you you aren't ****" and they knew...and often times I would get these women.

It comes down to what we call in these circles as having a strong "frame". Most men you find in public do not have a "strong frame" and are just slaves, whether it be to other people, their family-friends, the media, "popular opinion"....they aren't being true and honest to themselves. This of course always shapes and in a lot of cases messes them up. Look at a nut like Charles Manson - he was a complete and total LOSER who had been convicted of god knows how many crimes and literally spent the majority of his youth in PRISON (long before the name Charles Manson became a notorious house hold name). Dude was a vagabond but was able to assemble and influence his "family", that had members from pretty good upbringings, not all screwed up people, to do is bidding and literally kill for him. This is a testament to how powerful people of a strong frame/charisma can be.

 

[devilkingx2]

What so focusing ourselves on a low interest babes can mess our game up with other women?

actually yes. if you calibrate to something too much, your game won't be fit to deal with other things as well. and the danger of this is just as you said, you could end up tailoring yourself to girls who aren't fvcking you, to the detriment of getting girls who do want to fvck you.

(example of this relevant to all of us: thinking that you need to follow specific rules to open a girl online, when in reality if she's going to be a snob about you saying "hey what's up" or picky about how you're allowed to flirt with her on tinder, that's zero interest and you shouldn't be trying to figure out how to appease her lol)

kind of like how, if you're used to picking up drunk slvts at parties and clubs, you'll need to totally rework your game to pick up a girl in a coffee shop, since you can't grab her ass make out with her then take her home in an hour. but on the flip side, trying to wine and dine a party slvt instead of fingering her in the cab on the way to your place that night is a bad idea lol.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

actually yes. if you calibrate to something too much, your game won't be fit to deal with other things as well. and the danger of this is just as you said, you could end up tailoring yourself to girls who aren't fvcking you, to the detriment of getting girls who do want to fvck you.

(example of this relevant to all of us: thinking that you need to follow specific rules to open a girl online, when in reality if she's going to be a snob about you saying "hey what's up" or picky about how you're allowed to flirt with her on tinder, that's zero interest and you shouldn't be trying to figure out how to appease her lol)

kind of like how, if you're used to picking up drunk slvts at parties and clubs, you'll need to totally rework your game to pick up a girl in a coffee shop, since you can't grab her ass make out with her then take her home in an hour. but on the flip side, trying to wine and dine a party slvt instead of fingering her in the cab on the way to your place that night is a bad idea lol.

I know. I was try to enable this conversation. That's what it's so important for us to deal with females were fvcking and the medium to low interest get very little time. If we focus our life on low interest babes we've told ourselves and the universe that's what our value is.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

She will choose the 8/10 guy far, far more often, especially if she's 18-23. An 8/10 male actually has options. The only way the 6.5 wins is if the girl is in marriage mode or he gets lucky.

We do tend to view whatever our weakness in the game is as more important than it really is simply because it's very important to us. And I really do understand what you're saying, I have friends that are much better looking than me that can't get women to commit to them because they don't have the social status for that. However, they still have way more sex than I ever will haha

When you say social status you mean popularity within that given circle?

 

[devilkingx2]

not putting them on anything, the hot girls i usually meet are legit not like that , not saying they are decent or so great but they are wont let a guy bang them cause he's hot, usually they are attracted to hot guys but latch onto the rich ones, i dont need that kind of bs so i avoid such girls anyways but it goes to show how much does status affects men and their dating life .

you are a wise man

I know. I was try to enable this conversation. That's what it's so important for us to deal with females were fvcking and the medium to low interest get very little time. If we focus our life on low interest babes we've told ourselves and the universe that's what our value is.

yeah I figured it was rhetorical haha.

I remember someone saying on the subject of cold approach that not approaching because some girls don't like it, is screwing over yourself and the girls who will turn out to like you, for the sake of some girls who don't. I think it was pook who said it, but this convo reminded me of that lol.

She will choose the 8/10 guy far, far more often, especially if she's 18-23. An 8/10 male actually has options. The only way the 6.5 wins is if the girl is in marriage mode or he gets lucky.

We do tend to view whatever our weakness in the game is as more important than it really is simply because it's very important to us. And I really do understand what you're saying, I have friends that are much better looking than me that can't get women to commit to them because they don't have the social status for that. However, they still have way more sex than I ever will haha

I thought it would be the opposite, there's lots of guys on here that would insist that the things they are good at is everything that matters and the stuff they suck at is irrelevant (remember urbanyst?)

 

[ChillDude01]

She will choose the 8/10 guy far, far more often, especially if she's 18-23. An 8/10 male actually has options. The only way the 6.5 wins is if the girl is in marriage mode or he gets lucky.

We do tend to view whatever our weakness in the game is as more important than it really is simply because it's very important to us. And I really do understand what you're saying, I have friends that are much better looking than me that can't get women to commit to them because they don't have the social status for that. However, they still have way more sex than I ever will haha

Getting girls to commit to you when you lack the status that matches theirs is tough its not easy and you said you already know that, as for sex, usually if i hit some random bar or the club i will often find girls eyeing me and staring at me evne though i rarely visit these places so yes a good looking guy with decent skills can get laid if he looks in the right places , even at college 90% of the girls i run into are basically eye f*Cking me, biting their lips and sh*t ... you know the usual " i find you hot" behaviour, plus actually telling me they find me hot or telling my friends that they find me hot , so in that since i do have options .

the thing is when i first began dating years ago i wasnt sure of what iam actually worth but soon came to realize that iam attracting some of the hottest girls around, 8s and 9s , goegrous girls that guys are running after are showing interest in me and basically inviting me to approach them , i was happy ( of course) and aimed to get these hot women, however i realized quickly that most if not all of them are taken, and they play hard to get and give me a sh*t test after sh*T test, not really my style ..... now i aim for attractive girls that are not gorgrous basically a 7-7.5/10 , i find they are far more responsive, far more easier to deal with, and show twice the attention i show them while really meaning it, of course i still run into sh*t tests and taken chicks here and there but dealing with a 7 (as i have found ) is far more rewarding emoitionally and physically, and the lower you go on the ladder the easier it gets , i went out with this chick a couple weeks ago she has a nice body but barely a 5/10 looks wise, within an hour and a half of meeting her for the first time i was already playing with her titties , so i understand what you mean when you say a 8/10 guy has options that the less attractive dude lacks ..... the problem is (if youre low on the social ladder) is keeping these women or at least reaching "sex" without them finding out that your status doesnt match theirs , and thats where i struggle, idk maybe i should act more charming or a certain way til i get what i want, idk .

 

[fastlife]

This isn't the 1920s lol. You don't need a letter of introduction. If you are in the same room as another person, assuming you have the social skills, you can meet them. If you have really good social skills, you can get them to like you--and if a person likes you then to them you have high status. How do you get people to like you? By behaving like a high status person--having fun, being carefree--and finding areas of commonality.

OK, now that that's out of the way. If you can meet a girl, you can fvck her, and if you can fvck her, you can develop a relationship. Will you logically be the 'highest status' guy she can get with in regards to money, opportunities, etc.? No, probably not. BUT girls (except for the hardest, shrewdest ones) don't make those logical calculations (and even those that do mostly reserve those calculations more for relationships than they do sex). Instead, they have sex with the guy who feels right. What feels right? Well, mostly guys who behave like they're high status--but also the guy who offers the most compelling emotional narrative.

Luckily for guys like you (and me), most rich girls have a particular emotional narrative they find very, very appealing around their college years. They want to rebel against their parents. They want to experience 'life.' They want to let go of all the 'do this, dress like that, use this fork' that predominates wealthy 'society.' In short, they want to slum it a little. (By the same token, girls who were raised poor to middle class are far, far more susceptible to guys who can offer them shiny things and perhaps a better way of life. But, again, luckily for me & you, there are far more cute girls than there are super wealthy dudes who want to save them from a life of waiting tables or being a nurse or whatever lol. And then the number of guys who have all that and can make them feel the types of emotions they want to feel are infinitesimal.)

You need to kill that little voice in your head that tells you you're not good enough--or that you have to do x, y, and z for a girl to liiiiiike me. Very hard to behave like a high status person while you're carrying the burden of those insecurities.