Getting called out in set. Any advice?

[zarathustra]

A word to the wise.

Be on the lookout for women who are wise to the game. They now incorporate this knowledge into their *****shield.

I make it a habit to read women's magazines (Cosmopolitan, Glamour, ect...) to stay ahead of the curve as far as dating tactics women use. These magazines now feature articles concerning PUAs and our tactics.

The composite of what I've consistently read in these publications is this: "avoid well dressed, well manicured men wearing unusual jewlery or hats and who strike up interesting conversation. It's all an act!"

In the past six months or so I've been called out 4 or 5 times with things like "it sounds like you watch that show with that creeper vampire guy" (I guess Mystery). Or sometimes, "why are you talking about all this, are you trying to pick us up with that stuff?"

My initial reaction was to pour my drink over their heads and scream I'M SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE STARTED A CONVERSATION IN A SOCIAL SETTING!

I slowly realized that the proper course would be to neg them with all I've got. However, what negs would be appropriate in this setting? I don't want to get in a pissing contest with some power tripping chick at a bar/club but I also don't want to walk away without saying anything either.

 

[daygameguy]

Welcome to the reality.

Firstly,

Don't dress to peacock. Dress to feel sexy yourself. Having sexual accessories is cool if that's what you enjoy having on yourself. Just because Mystery wears hats, doesn't mean the whole world of guys wearing hats to clubs are consciously copying Mystery.

Secondly,

Don't open with an opener that might trigger alarms. Avoid using common openers, and don't ask to ask a question/opinion. Also, if you ask an indirect question, have genuine curiosity, and jump off that opener asap. If you milk the opener, you will get sh1t tests. Try to give off a natural vibe even when using canned material. Be congruent and appear genuine. Most importantly, don't wait for their response, don't give them time to think. You will need to add a natural vibe and envelope any routines into a naturally flowing conversation.

Thirdy,

Try getting your sub-communication right. Body language, smiling, being unaffected by outcome.

Finally,

Learn how to get past sh1t tests.


In my opinion, its usually your clunky scripted reaction-seeking opener and weak sub-communication that will trigger alarm bells. If you are cool, and flexible, and smooth, and you only use bits of these canned routines here and there, then you will appear like a basic cool guy who is interesting, they cannot call you out, because you are having a natural conversation as well, besides whatever canned piece you just threw in.

 

[Solomon]

okkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Welcome to the reality.

Firstly,

Don't dress to peacock. Dress to feel sexy yourself. Having sexual accessories is cool if that's what you enjoy having on yourself. Just because Mystery wears hats, doesn't mean the whole world of guys wearing hats to clubs are consciously copying Mystery.
Lol @ don't dress to peacock, what if peacocking makes you feel sexy? this statment is a contradiction in itself
Secondly,

Don't open with an opener that might trigger alarms. Avoid using common openers, and don't ask to ask a question/opinion. Also, if you ask an indirect question, have genuine curiosity, and jump off that opener asap. If you milk the opener, you will get sh1t tests. Try to give off a natural vibe even when using canned material. Be congruent and appear genuine. Most importantly, don't wait for their response, don't give them time to think. You will need to add a natural vibe and envelope any routines into a naturally flowing conversation.

You said to avoid using common openers or question/opinon then you say give off a natural vibe when using canned material? which one is it? Openers don't mean ****, I've opened chicks by just saying "hey" if your body language is congruent, your frame is strong, and you follow through you can't lose. It's ridiclous how easy it is for me to open, hell I've opened girls up saying "hi my name is tony starks..." no bull****, openers don't mean ****!!!

Thirdy,

Try getting your sub-communication right. Body language, smiling, being unaffected by outcome.

Now you are starting to get it!!! that is what being natural is all about

Finally,

Learn how to get past sh1t tests.


In my opinion, its usually your clunky scripted reaction-seeking opener and weak sub-communication that will trigger alarm bells. If you are cool, and flexible, and smooth, and you only use bits of these canned routines here and there, then you will appear like a basic cool guy who is interesting, they cannot call you out, because you are having a natural conversation as well, besides whatever canned piece you just threw in.

Day got it right on the second half, the first half is eeeeh....
I don't use opinon openers, I'm not trying to bore the girl, How am I suppose to project being alpha and sexual when I asked her who lies more men and women? hell no if i see her have a nice dress I say something about that, or if she has something different on, maybe her earrings, sub-communicate sexuality from the get go with a fun vibe, and BOOOM you in

Peace

 

[daygameguy]

Solo you got practice. You don't need opinion openers. But if some men still want to leverage the canned stuff out there, my advice would help them do that.

And most of my advice comes from day time experiences, night game or social setting game is different because everyone is almost ready to be opened.

 

[RedHand]

Aguramazda, try to be more natural and not to rely on memorized gimmicks, unless they're sure-fire and work everytime. :yes:

 

[daygameguy]

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Every time you get called out,

ADMIT that you did use a canned routine.

Say, "hey, how did you know! Do you guys watch that show, I thought girls didn't know about that. What do you guys think of the show?" - and continue.

An opener is just meant to open. You can pass any test by staying positive and holding your ground. Don't try to cover up.

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That being said, I would suggest, just like other guys above, that after a little practice, you try being natural, in a sense that if you ever do use an interesting piece of canned routine, you use it from a place of fun and abundance, and not from a place of having a lack of game.

 

[Solomon]

Solo you got practice. You don't need opinion openers. But if some men still want to leverage the canned stuff out there, my advice would help them do that.

And most of my advice comes from day time experiences, night game or social setting game is different because everyone is almost ready to be opened.

Gotcha

you are right daygame is a whole lot different.....

I got a "canned opener" for that but I charge a small fee because it works every time

 

[Monster]

hey guys, what movie is this from? 'nobody puts baby in the corner'

rofl

 

[daygameguy]

hey guys, what movie is this from? 'nobody puts baby in the corner'

rofl

HAHA They used that opener in every freaking field test.

I just adore the MM structure, that's it. I don't like the trademark negs, and openers that have been exposed. Just the basic conceptual model of the game, the basic attraction switches in women, and basic theories on how and why the game works. I think that's fascinating.

With that knowledge alone, you can have great success without becoming a copy paste pickup artist.

 

[Dannyrt34]

Yep, once you're on this site for a while, you start to realize there's only ONE point you really need to get. And that's CONFIDENCE. You don't need specialty openers. Neg-hits are nice but can only be used once you fully understand them. Lots of guys end up saying downright RUDE things to girls thinking their using a neg-hit. As far as meeting girls, just a nice "hey" with confidence is all it takes. Some people need help with conversation skills. But if you ever had a conversation with a friend, a conversation with a female you just met shouldn't be much different.

You don't need to use so much sh't preached on this site. You need to be yourself, with more confidence. Then you'll really 'get it'.

 

[MisterMcGee]

Yeah usually I see these 'PUA' threads as totally not helpful on this forum because youre many steps below what we're aspiring to be. Meaning the thread is us 100% talking down to your 'tactics' and us totally not learning anything from it other than realizing "****, I'm happy I don't bother with this PUA garbage any more.

 

[HolyG]

don't be afraid to show your sexuality.


NEVER EVER EVER apologize for your desires as a man. EVER.

But yeah, openers suck.

 

[guywhoneedshelp]

I too noticed this community has become way too popular.

 

[Young Juan]

There's a big difference between wanna-bes and trues. IF you get called out that you're trying to "pick-up" in a club because you're using well known material, 1). you should know better than use well known material unless its ur PURPOSELY trying to get called out as an opener, and then admit you saw it on t.v. and were just wondering if the ish really worked and then discuss/transition/confidently play it off and use it to ur freakin advantage cuz, *gasp* she's still talking to you for a reason!

"Don't dress to peacock. Dress to feel sexy yourself. Having sexual accessories is cool if that's what you enjoy having on yourself."
- Gotta remember, its all about you feeling comfortable in your own skin, win, lose, or draw.

Secondly,

"Don't open with an opener that might trigger alarms. Avoid using common openers, and don't ask to ask a question/opinion."
- I never do unless its situational e.g. at the grocery store, and even then, its only to get her head turned in my direction.
"Also, if you ask an indirect question, have genuine curiosity, and jump off that opener asap."
- Preachin to the choir broseph.
"If you milk the opener, you will get sh1t tests. Try to give off a natural vibe even when using canned material. Be congruent and appear genuine."
- I'd take that a step further and say "BE genuine."

"Most importantly, don't wait for their response, don't give them time to think. You will need to add a natural vibe and envelope any routines into a naturally flowing conversation."
- Being natural, IMHO, is the most important part and only comes once you have the confidence to be comfortable in you own skin a.k.a. natural! I use canned stuff every now and then, but its stuff I came up with myself after retrospecting, and only when I fall into a stall, which occur less and less as many of the situations I find myself in feel like Deja Vu.