General advice for a red pill male who has a lot going for him

Swampcamel

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ROFL show some fvcking mercy on the virgin, haters. Yea, he's pvssyfooted his way around women up to this point, but he's acknowledged the problem and is acting on that knowledge through decisive steps. It's way fvcking hard for virgins when they pull themselves out of the game for that long.

My brother's a 23 year old virgin. Cause he's mormon, not a hard worker, but I see the envy in his eyes, his self-damning lust present whenever I talk about the women I sleep with. Anyway, he doesn't acknowledge his issues and so bumbles through the game like an 8th grader. Give this guy a little credit.

Though, I would fvck a girl for that emancipating freedom asap. You don't have to like the girl, you don't have to think she's hot, you just have to know that you've gotten your djck wet and it's only up from there.

I'm also super picky about the girls I fvck. This means I get laid a lot less often than players who'll stick it in every 5 and 6 that throws themselves at them. HOWEVER, these dudes have much more solid game than I do and I have a hard time competing against when on the same field because they're more practiced, more at ease, they don't pedestal any girl, probably because there's little difference outside of how much you want to inflate your ego when the mission is just to make your getting laid the next thing that happens in your life. If it's a 6 or a 9, the only difference is how hard you can pat yourself on the back, in which case, you aren't doing it for the lay or cause you love banging, you're doing it as your own self-validation to prove you're not some unattractive loser (which really, you guess you might be).

edit: A lot of 6's and 7's have rockin bods and give crazy sex when you get their clothes off, and reflectively, girls I thought were 8's or 9's had saggy titties and stretch marks and fvcked like an inflatable doll. Point being, you're missing the whole point of sex if you're only fvcking them based off how good they look when they're standing next to you. That's something girls do, not men.
 

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Swampcamel said:
ROFL show some fvcking mercy on the virgin, haters. Yea, he's pvssyfooted his way around women up to this point, but he's acknowledged the problem and is acting on that knowledge through decisive steps. It's way fvcking hard for virgins when they pull themselves out of the game for that long.

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Though, I would fvck a girl for that emancipating freedom asap. You don't have to like the girl, you don't have to think she's hot, you just have to know that you've gotten your djck wet and it's only up from there.
Thanks, this is the plan. I'm making progress and will get through this soon. I don't mind the haters, I just watch for actual advice to trickle in. Thanks again.
 

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SirFratserlot said:
Are you a minority or something. Im awkward as fuq and im not a virgin
No, I'm white. For a variety of reasons (my upbringing, prioritizing work, etc) I've made women a low priority most of my life. Anyway, I'm sick of that BS and am working to fix it ASAP. I've already made some progress. I truly believe the only thing holding me back is the fact that I haven't had se'x before. I will bust through this wall and be done with it.
 

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There are a lot of girls who I can tell are attracted to me, but they are HB 5s-6s, and I have so little time, I don't want to spend it gaming some HB5 when I'd never date one. The HB8+s that I like rarely show interest. The simple truth is that I will not lower my standards to someone I'm not attracted to.
And this is what happens to guys who refuse to start out at the bottom of the ladder. They remain virgins.

It's like a guy who hates riding the bus but refuses to drive anything other than a Ferrari. Only problem is, he can't afford a Ferrari. So he's stuck riding the bus.

That's you, OP. As hot as you think you are, you have no game. In fact, you have anti-game. If you refuse to start out with the 5s and 6s you will remain a virgin forever. Or until you happen to get extremely lucky and find some hot sl*t who makes all the moves on you. And since it's the only p*ssy you've ever gotten, you'll probably end up marrying her.

Guys, don't be like OP. You can't go from mailroom clerk straight to CEO no matter how awesome you think you are. You gotta work your way up, and that means banging plenty of chicks you're not all that into.

There are no shortcuts. OP is living testimony to that.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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That's fine, I'll bang some 6s. I nearly brought home a 7 the other night (she declined and i k-closed). Not bragging, just showing that I'm putting in some effort. Ive never attempted to bring someone home before.

This is something I want to fix and am willing to accept criticism and change.
 

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Good for you. Bang some chicks you're not all that into, observe your interactions with them, and then carry those interactions to the women you are into.

You should get a rotation of 6s going, then swap out the lowest 6 with a HB7, then swap out another 6 with a 7, etc., working your way up until you have a rotation of 8s and (if you can) higher.

That's how it works. Wish more guys would understand this fact.
 

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First off, DO NOT BANG AN ESCORT. That is some of the WORST advice I've ever read yet it gets parroted around nonstop. I've written about why you shouldn't pay for sex, read it.

That said, I find your username 'balance' somewhat ironic, considering how out of balance your life is.

First, I respect you for no debt and a 6 figure salary at your age, but what are you doing with it? Very early retirement? I sure hope so, because if you don't have a clear cut plan of when you're 'getting out', that 70+ hours/week is hell on Earth.

Second, your lack of success with women is directly linked to your lack of time to get good at it. Just like you spend a LOT of time making the $, you need to spend a LOT of time to become proficient with women (via relationships, casual dating, etc).

Hypothetically speaking (I don't recommend this btw), if you spent that same 70 hours approaching, learning about, and experiencing interactions with women every week, you'd be a boss in a year. Of course that much time spent on them is a waste, but I'm illustrating a point: getting good at ANYTHING takes time and practice, and more time, and more practice.

If you like your job and have an early exit strategy, then you can keep plugging away for a few more years, but I still recommend toning it down a bit and picking up the game concepts (which you seem to be doing) and practicing when you can. Being a 30 year old virgin is going to screw with your head a little.

Anecdotally, I know a 24 year old cutie (HB 7-8) who's still a virgin. She's gotten plenty of offers and refused for several reasons, one of which is to focus on finishing school early and getting her dream job, which she now has. Sounds great, right? Not really, because I can sense the awkwardness in her. And this is a GIRL.

Think of learning game and getting a few notches on your belt as an insurance policy against the future. If you save up all that money and retire early but have no clue about the nature of women, you're going to get used HARD and you WILL lose a big chunk of your hard earned cash. You owe it to yourself to learn how male/female interactions play out.
 

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you really need to re-frame this whole situation.. it sounds like you got a really big dark cloud hanging over your head because of the v-card. you've already received bj's, hj's, in some jurisdictions that counts as sex toO! all you need to do is go out and be seen, you don't even have to do anything, just wear some nice clothes and jewelry, flash some money around, and the golddiggers will approach you. use them as practice, and always remember, make the ho say no! you have to ramp up the escalation early, even if that means you get blown out, it saves time and its a numbers game anyways.
 

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Thanks, really appreciate the last 2 responses.

Muscleman: I am in an apprenticeship now. I will be working closer to 60 hrs the next few years, then I make my own schedule. Plus I should be able to meet girls on the job without making things awkward. But anyway, I agree with you 100%. I am putting time in to fix this and have been making progress.

Lord Hypnos: actually, I never considered my virginity much of a problem, I always thought I would attract women with my success, personality, appearance, etc. Of course I now recognize that I am missing other parts of the game, and I'm working on it. I like the "make the ho say no" line. Just last weekend I tried to get a girl home and she declined. It feels good to at least know that I am pushing forward.
 

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Zarky said:
And this is what happens to guys who refuse to start out at the bottom of the ladder. They remain virgins.

It's like a guy who hates riding the bus but refuses to drive anything other than a Ferrari. Only problem is, he can't afford a Ferrari. So he's stuck riding the bus.

That's you, OP. As hot as you think you are, you have no game. In fact, you have anti-game. If you refuse to start out with the 5s and 6s you will remain a virgin forever. Or until you happen to get extremely lucky and find some hot sl*t who makes all the moves on you. And since it's the only p*ssy you've ever gotten, you'll probably end up marrying her.

Guys, don't be like OP. You can't go from mailroom clerk straight to CEO no matter how awesome you think you are. You gotta work your way up, and that means banging plenty of chicks you're not all that into.

There are no shortcuts. OP is living testimony to that.

yup
 

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Update (about 1 mo since original post): been going out a lot more, have gotten about 8 same night k-closes (and #-closes) with good looking girls. Have tried to get 2 of these girls home (the first 2 times I had ever done this). They resisted at the end of the night, but I'm happy I tried. Hopefully will have a date this week, have two interested girls and I'll try to get the hotter one to accept first. I'm taking more risks, kissing girls the same night I meet them and overall feeling more confident. I honestly feel like I can k-close any girl who I talk to for 10+ minutes.

So, I'm working on it and making progress. This is actually a fun process, I'm starting to actually feel like a man who is in control and takes what he wants. Of course, I have a long way to go.
 

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Update: lost my virginity the other night. Finally! Sex wasn't the best; in fact the penetration was actually pretty brief and then I had her give me head. Thanks for the encouragement: I've been working on this for like 8 months and have made great strides. I've been on more dates during this time than during all the rest of my life combined. I've maybe dated 10 girls during the 8 months, everything from Hb 7 to Hb 10. The girl I finally had sex with is someone I'm not dating at all, instead she is my first FWB type relationship. Anyway, thanks a lot, sosuave and the "manosphere" have helped a lot.
 

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Holy sh!t...you're fit, well off, social and a student of the game yet it took you 8 months to get laid?! The fvck have you been doing all this time? Lol seriously though congratulations. Yeah the first time is mediocre but trust me it gets better, much better. You've done what few men have the discipline and balls to accomplish, getting better with women. Keep this up and you'll have this part of your life handled for good. Just don't fvck it up by catching feelings and marrying a crazy chick. Repped so you can get rid of that sad little red box :D
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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