speakeasy said:
Then what explains why there's so much butt sex in prison? I've seen prison documentaries where men turned gay after being in prison and said they'd never even thought about sleeping with a man before going in.
Whoaaa....That's a WHOLE different scenario. I'm talking about people in normal walks of life...not people who are condemned to be locked in a building with nothing but men for the rest of their lives.
That's like if I said, "People aren't born cannibals." And you'd say "No way. What about those guys that were stuck on a mountain with nothing to eat but people."
You get what I'm saying? You don't wanna take extreme cases of people in unusual situations and use it as part of a hypothesis.
Secondly, sure homosexuals may have no choice in their attraction, but that doesn't mean they were born that way either. Some people may have had something happen at a very young age that changed their thinking. Like a young girl who gets molested by her uncle then grows up with social phobias due to events in her early childhood.
Some gays experienced that. You are correct. But would you wager that a MAJORITY of them suffered molestation or some similar traumatic event?
Personally, I believe it's a 50/50 thing. They've done studies on identical twins that show that if one twin is gay, there's a 50% chance the other will be. Now if homosexuality were 100% genetic, then both identical twins would gay since they share the same exact DNA.
There have been identical twins born where one has a personality disorder and the other is "normal". It's not like "gay" is swimming around in the mothers womb guaranteed to effect both twins. Issues involving the mind are different than issues involving the body. Do you disagree?
For instance, twins, while sharing genetics, do not necessarily share the same turn-ons and turn-offs in regards to the opposite sex. They have different minds and are attracted to different things.
I think my use of the word "genetic" threw you off. I don't mean, you can pass a gay gene to kids. I just mean that "you're born that way"...which is an incorrect usage o the word. My bad.
Anyway, I don't think it's simple "you're born gay" thing that gays try to make it out to be. Because sometimes the most macho tough guys ex-cons you've seen had no problem getting it up to fvck a man in the ass in jail. Then they come out and go back to banging women.
Macho tough guys in jail are banging weak little inmates because they have no other option. Those guys aren't "gay" so much as they're just out of other choices. People gotta bang somethin, right? I'm talking about gays that lived normal lives, and had every opportunity to settle down and be "normal" but couldn't do it because they were attracted to dudes. I think we'll agree that this is the logical majority of them, right?
Do you think those people should be forced to a life of different rules than the rest of us because of something they had no choice over?
Anyway, I don't think it's simple "you're born gay" thing that gays try to make it out to be.
Simple question then. Were you born straight?
By the way: I know the discussion isn't going to go anywhere. People aren't gonna change their beliefs just because of a talk on the internet. So, hey whatever, man. I respect your opinion. I'm not gonna make you go back-and-forth with this thing all day