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RightKirro said:
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In response to the disagreement over the ethics of gaming a girl with a BF:
I don't know how I feel about this to be honest and have been thinking a lot about it. But she is very beautiful, and so for the moment, I'm going to keep going. Here's my inner struggle:
The pro argument
Gaming a girl with a boyfriend ultimately teaches men a lesson and liberates them from a low quality woman. It teaches them a lesson in that whatever they were doing was not sufficient to hold the woman's attraction. It teaches them to make better choices about who they date. I have never cheated on a girl, but I did have a girl cheat on me. At the time I wouldn't have said this, but thank God she did! I was engaged to the broad and if I hadn't found out she had been cheating, I would have freaking married a girl who was disloyal and untrustworthy. A low quality woman.
My cheating revelation was also the first major impetus behind me deciding to improve myself which lead me to the PUA culture. I was Mr. AFC when I was with her, weighed 206 pounds and was a mass of blubber. I had no life outside of having sex with the girl and sporadically attending class (I was smart enough to maintain a 4.0 during all this though). And to a lot of guys, continuous sex sounds like a goldmine (especially when it's with a 9), but it's not. The sex sucked.
I found out about this and subsequently left her in 2008. Since then, I've dropped to 168 pounds with less than 10% body fat, maintain a daily exercise practice, hike, rock climb, ballroom dance, power lift, and do all kinds of stuff I never did before because I didn't care. Her cheating on me allowed me to experience life.
I also feel that sex is basically an exchange, and that both parties must be agreeable to the act in order for it to take place. The fact that she has a relationship (aka, an "contractual" obligation to abstain from sex with other people) with someone else is not my concern. I have no "contractual obligation", and if she finds herself in breach of contract, it's her fault. She is the one who made the decision, and while I may be complicit, I never made any such agreement to abstain from sex.
The con argument
A lot of PUA people make references to evolutionary biology and psychology and say that men are genetically driven to bang the hell out of every woman they can in order to literally spread their seed as far in to the future as possible. And I would say on a superficial level, that's very true. Even an instinctual level. But I'm uncomfortable generalizing this view to be the guiding source of our behavior because it assumes that there is no fundamental difference between homo-sapiens and all other animal life. And there's a big difference:
The neocortext.
We are the only species with this cerebral component, and it's what causes us to be conscious, aware, and "human", while all other animals are clearly not. That's not a very precise explanation, but I think you get my point. Yes, it may be evolutionary wired in to us to sow our seed every which way, but the conditions that produced that evolutionary response don't necessarily exist anymore.
We developed these instincts during prehistoric times, before the advent of "the city", while humans lived in nomad tribes and a man's immortality rested in his ability to get one of the tribal women knocked up. Read the Epic of Gilgamesh, Greek mythology, or anything else like that you should have read in your senior high school English class or Humanities in college! Those are not stories people penned in modern times about the past, they're stories people wrote in the past that represented their present.
Now fast forward several thousand years... we're not a collection of warring tribes, the Hittites, Scythians, and so on, we're "civilized" and are generally more concerned with finding a good job, true love (whatever that means), a 401k, social security, the government, wasting our money, playing Xbox. Whatever. But I have never met one man ever in my life who wakes up in the morning thinking to himself that he has to get a girl knocked up TODAY or his life is going to be a waste.
The comforts of modern civilization have made it easier for the human population to survive, and the prehistoric mindset may be more prevalent in 3rd world and undeveloped countries. I don't know.
But since it's become much easier for the human species to survive (provided we can escape nuclear holocaust, giant meteor, plague or other doomsday scenario) it's also not really as necessary evolutionarily for men to serially impregnate women. Believe it or not, it's actually worse for a population (because populations evolve, not individuals) to have a low ratio of men (20%) mating with a high ratio of women (80%) because this significantly limits the propagation of genetic material. Under a scenario like this, 80% of men are not mating and NOT passing on their genetic material... this represents genetic loss and may result in genetic extinction... when a gene totally vanishes from a population. That's bad because it limits the genetic options for future generations. It's much better to have as close to a 50/50 ratio as possible.
So why am I saying all of this? I do not believe adaptations come without selective advantages. If they didn't provide a selective advantage, they would be selected out of a population over time. So why do we have this thing called a neocortex that lets us think in ways that make us different from every other animal? Maybe it's because we're supposed to use it to think and ACT different than every other animal.
I realize this idea flies in the face of most prevailing PUA material, but it's something I've been thinking about today. When men go around and facilitate promiscuity, they're justifiably pissing their fellow man off. This tends to lead to a justifiably negative reaction, sometimes violence. Actions that are likely to produce a negative and possibly violent reaction do not seem to me like actions that are evolutionarily beneficial, or beneficial to a population at all.
And I know what it feels like to be cheated on. It feels awful. It makes you feel like you aren't quite fully a man. And this brings us back around to the pro's argument.
So I don't know. This has just been what's going through my mind today.
I don't know how I feel about this to be honest and have been thinking a lot about it. But she is very beautiful, and so for the moment, I'm going to keep going. Here's my inner struggle:
The pro argument
Gaming a girl with a boyfriend ultimately teaches men a lesson and liberates them from a low quality woman. It teaches them a lesson in that whatever they were doing was not sufficient to hold the woman's attraction. It teaches them to make better choices about who they date. I have never cheated on a girl, but I did have a girl cheat on me. At the time I wouldn't have said this, but thank God she did! I was engaged to the broad and if I hadn't found out she had been cheating, I would have freaking married a girl who was disloyal and untrustworthy. A low quality woman.
My cheating revelation was also the first major impetus behind me deciding to improve myself which lead me to the PUA culture. I was Mr. AFC when I was with her, weighed 206 pounds and was a mass of blubber. I had no life outside of having sex with the girl and sporadically attending class (I was smart enough to maintain a 4.0 during all this though). And to a lot of guys, continuous sex sounds like a goldmine (especially when it's with a 9), but it's not. The sex sucked.
I found out about this and subsequently left her in 2008. Since then, I've dropped to 168 pounds with less than 10% body fat, maintain a daily exercise practice, hike, rock climb, ballroom dance, power lift, and do all kinds of stuff I never did before because I didn't care. Her cheating on me allowed me to experience life.
I also feel that sex is basically an exchange, and that both parties must be agreeable to the act in order for it to take place. The fact that she has a relationship (aka, an "contractual" obligation to abstain from sex with other people) with someone else is not my concern. I have no "contractual obligation", and if she finds herself in breach of contract, it's her fault. She is the one who made the decision, and while I may be complicit, I never made any such agreement to abstain from sex.
The con argument
A lot of PUA people make references to evolutionary biology and psychology and say that men are genetically driven to bang the hell out of every woman they can in order to literally spread their seed as far in to the future as possible. And I would say on a superficial level, that's very true. Even an instinctual level. But I'm uncomfortable generalizing this view to be the guiding source of our behavior because it assumes that there is no fundamental difference between homo-sapiens and all other animal life. And there's a big difference:
The neocortext.
We are the only species with this cerebral component, and it's what causes us to be conscious, aware, and "human", while all other animals are clearly not. That's not a very precise explanation, but I think you get my point. Yes, it may be evolutionary wired in to us to sow our seed every which way, but the conditions that produced that evolutionary response don't necessarily exist anymore.
We developed these instincts during prehistoric times, before the advent of "the city", while humans lived in nomad tribes and a man's immortality rested in his ability to get one of the tribal women knocked up. Read the Epic of Gilgamesh, Greek mythology, or anything else like that you should have read in your senior high school English class or Humanities in college! Those are not stories people penned in modern times about the past, they're stories people wrote in the past that represented their present.
Now fast forward several thousand years... we're not a collection of warring tribes, the Hittites, Scythians, and so on, we're "civilized" and are generally more concerned with finding a good job, true love (whatever that means), a 401k, social security, the government, wasting our money, playing Xbox. Whatever. But I have never met one man ever in my life who wakes up in the morning thinking to himself that he has to get a girl knocked up TODAY or his life is going to be a waste.
The comforts of modern civilization have made it easier for the human population to survive, and the prehistoric mindset may be more prevalent in 3rd world and undeveloped countries. I don't know.
But since it's become much easier for the human species to survive (provided we can escape nuclear holocaust, giant meteor, plague or other doomsday scenario) it's also not really as necessary evolutionarily for men to serially impregnate women. Believe it or not, it's actually worse for a population (because populations evolve, not individuals) to have a low ratio of men (20%) mating with a high ratio of women (80%) because this significantly limits the propagation of genetic material. Under a scenario like this, 80% of men are not mating and NOT passing on their genetic material... this represents genetic loss and may result in genetic extinction... when a gene totally vanishes from a population. That's bad because it limits the genetic options for future generations. It's much better to have as close to a 50/50 ratio as possible.
So why am I saying all of this? I do not believe adaptations come without selective advantages. If they didn't provide a selective advantage, they would be selected out of a population over time. So why do we have this thing called a neocortex that lets us think in ways that make us different from every other animal? Maybe it's because we're supposed to use it to think and ACT different than every other animal.
I realize this idea flies in the face of most prevailing PUA material, but it's something I've been thinking about today. When men go around and facilitate promiscuity, they're justifiably pissing their fellow man off. This tends to lead to a justifiably negative reaction, sometimes violence. Actions that are likely to produce a negative and possibly violent reaction do not seem to me like actions that are evolutionarily beneficial, or beneficial to a population at all.
And I know what it feels like to be cheated on. It feels awful. It makes you feel like you aren't quite fully a man. And this brings us back around to the pro's argument.
So I don't know. This has just been what's going through my mind today.
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Just do her already, she is obviously interested. Quit over-thinking this. She's not married.
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I still don't get why dudes these days go for girls with boyfriends. There are plenty of healthy, attractive, single women who would be thrilled to give their numbers out and bang you if you played your game right (which you did based on the conversation with the anatomy babe).
Having sex with girls with boyfriends will only bring drama to your life. You may get a car window busted, your paint keyed all around, have a bunch of random people beat you up one night, or a whole lot more of other things--it's nonsense. Especially as a DJ, you will have options to choose women with top-notch looks & personalities. Why do it then? If you enjoy the chase so much get yourself a girl who plays hard to get; it's that simple.
I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone else. However, I think gaming girls with boyfriends is immature--not to mention I feel to good to have my integrity intact and fear no one. Gaming girls in relationships doesn't make your d!ck bigger or make you a bad-ass alpha male. If anything, it only shows how desperate you can get. That's my input regarding this thread since I can't give you advice on banging chicks with boyfriends because of my lack of experience with them. Additionally, if she cheats on her boyfriend with you, she will most likely do the same to you with another guy--especially an 18 year old.
Follow your own gut feeling.
Having sex with girls with boyfriends will only bring drama to your life. You may get a car window busted, your paint keyed all around, have a bunch of random people beat you up one night, or a whole lot more of other things--it's nonsense. Especially as a DJ, you will have options to choose women with top-notch looks & personalities. Why do it then? If you enjoy the chase so much get yourself a girl who plays hard to get; it's that simple.
I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone else. However, I think gaming girls with boyfriends is immature--not to mention I feel to good to have my integrity intact and fear no one. Gaming girls in relationships doesn't make your d!ck bigger or make you a bad-ass alpha male. If anything, it only shows how desperate you can get. That's my input regarding this thread since I can't give you advice on banging chicks with boyfriends because of my lack of experience with them. Additionally, if she cheats on her boyfriend with you, she will most likely do the same to you with another guy--especially an 18 year old.
Follow your own gut feeling.
It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
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I don't approve...
but if I was forced to do it, I would have my way with her, and find out her boyfriend's name or contact info. Then tell the guy anonymously and show him proof so she can't lie about it when he confronts her. Then direct him to read a book, perhaps something PUA related. He's a brother on this earth who is going through the learning process, and got burned by some skank who is most likely lying to him. " I loveee you!" and then goes and texts some other guy she wants to swallow his load 3 hours later.
I wouldn't do it though. I have never cheated on, or helped someone cheat. I realize that the girl in this thread is just a hoe and will fuc* someone else anyway, if it's not you - it will be someone else.
So you tell youself - "so why not me?" Well...... yeah, she's going to cheat on him regardless, but it sure as hell won't be on my resume. Don't pollute your soul and your morals just because you are horny for this chick. Your penis will betray you with that evolutionary sex drive we have. There's plenty of single girls out there. If you feel the urge coming on, call up your sure things. If you can't, then go to the bathroom and gun it and bust a nut. That sexual urge will betray you if you don't control it. "but she's so hot!"....
But that's just me. I have very strong views about cheating.
but if I was forced to do it, I would have my way with her, and find out her boyfriend's name or contact info. Then tell the guy anonymously and show him proof so she can't lie about it when he confronts her. Then direct him to read a book, perhaps something PUA related. He's a brother on this earth who is going through the learning process, and got burned by some skank who is most likely lying to him. " I loveee you!" and then goes and texts some other guy she wants to swallow his load 3 hours later.
I wouldn't do it though. I have never cheated on, or helped someone cheat. I realize that the girl in this thread is just a hoe and will fuc* someone else anyway, if it's not you - it will be someone else.
So you tell youself - "so why not me?" Well...... yeah, she's going to cheat on him regardless, but it sure as hell won't be on my resume. Don't pollute your soul and your morals just because you are horny for this chick. Your penis will betray you with that evolutionary sex drive we have. There's plenty of single girls out there. If you feel the urge coming on, call up your sure things. If you can't, then go to the bathroom and gun it and bust a nut. That sexual urge will betray you if you don't control it. "but she's so hot!"....
But that's just me. I have very strong views about cheating.