Game is trump.

[Bingo-Player]

Theres some excellent advice in this thread if you are able to read between the lines

“game” per se is obsolete......... corny one liners , ****y funny ,routines, texting games etc may have been a quick route to pussvy 15 years ago but now they’ve all been sussed out

Women aren’t stupid they know the power they’re p1ussys hold over weak men and they know how to exploit that

You try playing a social manipulation game with a woman these days and she will eat you alive , hence why you have so many guys crying on here all the time

“game” in 2015 is all about becoming an independent man again .........you spend enough hours educating yourself , filling your wardrobe with stylish clothes , travelling, earning money and fulfilling your own needs and eventually women will begin falling over themselves for you

 

[dk1990S111]

“game” in 2015 is all about becoming an independent man again .........you spend enough hours educating yourself , filling your wardrobe with stylish clothes , travelling, earning money and fulfilling your own needs and eventually women will begin falling over themselves for you

Add working out to that list and you are spot on. My buddy is getting ripped and actually has girls telling him he looks like captain america and they are "distracted by his arms" while they fvck lol

 

[jurry]

Theres some excellent advice in this thread if you are able to read between the lines

“game” per se is obsolete......... corny one liners , ****y funny ,routines, texting games etc may have been a quick route to pussvy 15 years ago but now they’ve all been sussed out

Women aren’t stupid they know the power they’re p1ussys hold over weak men and they know how to exploit that

You try playing a social manipulation game with a woman these days and she will eat you alive , hence why you have so many guys crying on here all the time

“game” in 2015 is all about becoming an independent man again .........you spend enough hours educating yourself , filling your wardrobe with stylish clothes , travelling, earning money and fulfilling your own needs and eventually women will begin falling over themselves for you

I assume you didnt even read the article.

 

[Bingo-Player]

i got about half way through it before it almost bored me too death

some guy banging on about how you can use physical disadvantages to your advantage .....just read to me like a load of mental masturbation so i couldn't carry on

they say to master the game you need to be "aware" of your surroundings and be able to read women .....i disagree all you need to do is be aware of what your capable of and what women are capable of..... the rest is pretty simple when you just relax

 

[jurry]

they say to master the game you need to be "aware" of your surroundings and be able to read women .....i disagree all you need to do is be aware of what your capable of and what women are capable of..... the rest is pretty simple when you just relax

Who's they?

What YOU are capable of is a direct result of the confidence you have built through experience and gaining skill with women, a.k.a. game.

Again, people on here keep going nuts over the word 'game' as if its some magic voodoo trickery. Maybe its a geographical confusion since you sound like you are from the UK.

You're right it is pretty simple, but not to people with no experience with women.

 

[Suspens]

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[zekko]

Really, all that article is saying is that if you can't get by on your looks, you're going to have to use your personality. Sounds like he had to get fairly aggressive in order to get himself noticed.

I have this same issue. I'm good looking enough that women are pleased when I invite them out, but I'm not good looking enough that they will approach me first. I usually have to use my personality in order to get them interested, it helps if they get to know me first.

 

[Suspens]

I have this same issue. I'm good looking enough that women are pleased when I invite them out, but I'm not good looking enough that they will approach me first. I usually have to use my personality in order to get them interested, it helps if they get to know me first.

Same issue here. I don't know hot to "express my personality" though.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Really, all that article is saying is that if you can't get by on your looks, you're going to have to use your personality. Sounds like he had to get fairly aggressive in order to get himself noticed.

I have this same issue. I'm good looking enough that women are pleased when I invite them out, but I'm not good looking enough that they will approach me first. I usually have to use my personality in order to get them interested, it helps if they get to know me first.

There are two levels of male attractiveness:

1. Guys who are so good looking they need virtually no game. All they need to get laid is to avoid making fools out of themselves. We are talking about the stereotypical 6'0+ guy with Calvin Klein model looks. The kind of guy that girls buy drinks for at bars.

2. Guys who are somewhat above average. They need some game to get laid, especially if the are going for HB 7+.

3. Guys who are average or slightly below average. Unless they are famous and/or loaded, they will need serious game to get laid, and even then they'd be struggling to get with HB 7+. This is the primary demographic for PUA "products".

4. Guys who are significantly below average. No amount of game will help these guys score. If you see a guy like that with a hottie, she is almost certainly an escort or a gold-digger trophy wife if he is extremely wealthy.

 

[jurry]

You're putting way too much emphasis on male attractiveness, it sounds like you are trying to classify men the way men classify women. Looks are much less important to women (unless you're a morbidly obese basement dweller obviously), the energy you give off and how you make them feel is the utmost factor. Are you confident, are you funny, are you sociable, do you tease them and get sex on the mind? This is what is important.

Women arent buying men drinks at the bar because they are hot. They can get 10 hot guys to do whatever they want. What they are looking for is a man with balls and charisma (game), because those are in short supply.

 

[nismo-4]

I'm with JohnnytheArrow on this one.

If you don't meet or exceed her minimum look/type standard, one of two things will happen when you approach:

1. She will ignore or flat out reject you. You won't even get to talk to her and run any game.

2. She will be polite and enjoy from free company/entertainment. But you are basically in friendzone. She's not going home with you or going to make out with you. You might get a number, but she will likely flake.

But if you do ok in the looks department (from her perspective), then yes, game is very helpful to try to move things forward.

I've been in all three categories at various times. I've been ignored and/or told to F off lol. My favorite is getting eyerolls. I've been the friendzone dancing monkey running lots of game as free entertainment. I've also been accepted on looks AND game (when I had more hair) and moved forward with the lady.

Women are big on looks. While I support game, the thing is, many times, it's all over before you can even open your mouth.

I wish motherf**kers on this board would get it through their heads that game is super effective if the woman likes what she sees.

Hell, everything is super effective if the woman is really attracted to you and you don't shoot yourself in the foot!

If the woman don't find you attractive, your game will be entertaining and get you in the friendzone as an entertaining beta orbiter, or you'll be blown off if she finds you useless (refuse to play the beta role).

Game amplifies or multiplies attraction. If the attraction is zero, zero times anything equals zero, there you go. If game was all a man needed to get a girl regardless of LMS, we'd all be dating and banging supermodels and similar women, and posting on boards about new sexual techniques, instead of women flaking, going ghost, and being in another castle. These kinds of forums wouldn't even exist anyway!

Case closed.

 

[Bokanovsky]

You're putting way too much emphasis on male attractiveness, it sounds like you are trying to classify men the way men classify women. Looks are much less important to women (unless you're a morbidly obese basement dweller obviously), the energy you give off and how you make them feel is the utmost factor. Are you confident, are you funny, are you sociable, do you tease them and get sex on the mind? This is what is important.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. As Nismo says, game multiples attraction. It does not create attraction. Attractive men who are sexually forward are considered confident. Unattractive men who are sexually forward are considered perverts. Ever notice how attractive men are never branded with the "creepy" label?

The idea that women don't care about looks comes from the times when most marriages were arranged. It was the bride's father who ultimately decided who she was going to marry (which usually happened to be the guy whose parents agreed to pay the highest dowry). Women were culturally conditioned to think that a man's looks did not matter. But this social conditioning not longer exists in the West. Today, women care about looks as much as men, if not more.

 

[nismo-4]

I'm going to have to disagree with this. As Nismo says, game multiples attraction. It does not create attraction. Attractive men who are sexually forward are considered confident. Unattractive men who are sexually forward are considered perverts. Ever notice how attractive men are never branded with the "creepy" label?

Attractive man showing confidence= I like your demeanor!
Unattractive man showing confidence= F**k off!

Attractive man talking to a woman in the workplace= Friendly flirting
Unattractive man talking to a woman in the workplace= Sexual harassment

Attractive man checking out a woman= Appreciating the female form
Unattractive man checking out a woman= Pervert/ sex offender

Attractive man talking to a woman= Any subject is interesting/ I like that, etc.
Unattractive man talking to a woman= My boyfriend is almost here.

Need I go on? Did I miss any?

And jurry, I saw where you said women are looking for a man with balls and charisma. A woman won't go home with you just because you ignored her, refused to buy her a drink, and gave her very little attention. Sure you can approach a hottie at the bar, but she has to be attracted to and be aroused by you for anything to work. If she doesn't like you and you act aloof and indifferent, you're just:

1. Saving her the trouble of having to cut you off
2. Making it easier for her to check out another guy
3. Invisible to her

It's great you won't be her orbiter, but you won't get anywhere else in this situation.

 

[jurry]

So you consider ignoring a girl and refusing to buy her a drink as having balls and charisma?? That might be part of your problem there.

Hopefully you guys going on and on about how important looks are are some good looking dudes, otherwise I assume youve given up on women? Im an average looking guy and I dont give any fvcks how hot a girl is I'll still go for her and sometimes you hit sometimes you miss.

Attraction for women goes way beyond looks fortunately.

 

[guru1000]

Gentlemen,

The sexual marketplace (SMP) is no different than any other market place; it's governed by the laws of supply and demand. And like any other marketplace, the SMP cares not about your personality nor "game." It cares only about the respective value YOU bring to the table.

On the looks/status/wealth (LSW) scale, a 9 will attract a 9, and a 5 will attract a 5.

You could walk into a supermarket and buy $9 worth of items with a fake $10 bill, and you will get the items you sought. But ... when the supermarket realizes you saddled them with a fugazi $10, they will no longer entertain your business. Same applies to women: On the LSW scale, if you were a 6, you could viably "game" a 9 into thinking you were a 9 ... and it might work, at least, initially. But eventually your machination--your "game"--will reveal itself a sham--and she will eject just as quickly.

Focus on increasing your LSW instead. Game will only maintain or augment attraction that is already present--not create genuine attraction out of thin air.

 

[om1xr]

Gentlemen,

The sexual marketplace (SMP) is no different than any other market place; it's governed by the laws of supply and demand. And like any other marketplace, the SMP cares not about your personality nor "game." It cares only about the respective value YOU bring to the table.

On the looks/status/wealth (LSW) scale, a 9 will attract a 9, and a 5 will attract a 5.

You could walk into a supermarket and buy $9 worth of items with a fake $10 bill, and you will get the items you sought. But ... when the supermarket realizes you saddled them with a fugazi $10, they will no longer entertain your business. Same applies to women: On the LSW scale, if you were a 6, you could viably "game" a 9 into thinking you were a 9 ... and it might work, at least, initially. But eventually your machination--your "game"--will reveal itself a sham--and she will eject just as quickly.

Focus on increasing your LSW instead. Game will only maintain or augment attraction that is already present--not create genuine attraction out of thin air.

THIS.

In my first reply to this post I think I talked more deeply about game or games people play and how to win game. But I guess in this thread you guys are talking about tricks and faking your value to get in a 9's panties! Well then it like guru said and I will add that you attract what you are.

Being a great con man can make you get 9s and 10s even if you are a low value man in the eyes of the dating and sexual marketplace but you're going to be exposed and the real you will be seen no matter how great actor you may be.

So game is just a supplement to keep the attraction that's already there but a lot of times it's going to fade and you just have to accept that.

That's why you should work on yourself and your sexual value to the maximum or just stop giving a fúck and do your thing until you meet the same minded girls.

 

[jurry]

Guru you're on a seduction website honestly telling men that their personality and game doesnt matter? Lol what a joke..

But yours is a great theory if you want to attract women based on your wealth and looks instead of who you actually are. Fortunately for me, being an average looking guy with average income, I can attract women "above" me based on the feeling I create in them, my energy, humor, and confidence (game).

So while you slave away chasing money and hitting the gym to impress women (who will leave you if you lose your money or muscles) I have cultivated something that cant be taken away. Beta bucks seems to be the law of the land on this forum based on the responses I see here unfortunately.

 

[Tenacity]

Excellent advice just posted over at chateau for any of you who dont know about that website:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/201...or-eye-contact-from-women-before-approaching/

Stop worrying about your looks, your clothes, your job, your height, your race, etc.

Game trumps all.

I'm sorry but game/personality does not trump everything. Your looks, clothes, finances, car and where you stay also play a major part.

I would say that Looks account for 60%, Finances account for 20%, Game/Personality/Clothes/Style accounts for the remaining 20%.

So everything matters, but a very attractive BROKE dude would still pull a lot of high level women (7 plus).

I'm a 6 in Looks, 7 in Finances and 6 in Game/Personality/Clothes/Style. That's why I pull 4 - 6 women (based on looks) in bulk, with also a good amount of 7 - 8 women.

 

[Tenacity]

Gentlemen,

The sexual marketplace (SMP) is no different than any other market place; it's governed by the laws of supply and demand. And like any other marketplace, the SMP cares not about your personality nor "game." It cares only about the respective value YOU bring to the table.

On the looks/status/wealth (LSW) scale, a 9 will attract a 9, and a 5 will attract a 5.

You could walk into a supermarket and buy $9 worth of items with a fake $10 bill, and you will get the items you sought. But ... when the supermarket realizes you saddled them with a fugazi $10, they will no longer entertain your business. Same applies to women: On the LSW scale, if you were a 6, you could viably "game" a 9 into thinking you were a 9 ... and it might work, at least, initially. But eventually your machination--your "game"--will reveal itself a sham--and she will eject just as quickly.

Focus on increasing your LSW instead. Game will only maintain or augment attraction that is already present--not create genuine attraction out of thin air.

^^^ THIS. This needs to be a Sticky.

 

[zekko]

You're putting way too much emphasis on male attractiveness, it sounds like you are trying to classify men the way men classify women. Looks are much less important to women (unless you're a morbidly obese basement dweller obviously), the energy you give off and how you make them feel is the utmost factor.

I agree that looks are not as important to women as they are to men. Have you seen most men? The average male is hideous, lol. Men also have wealth, status, charisma, and power that can make them more attractive. If a guy is very fun to be around that's an asset.

That's not to say that looks don't matter, though. Some guys are very attractive physically, and these guys have it much easier romantically, as long as they aren't complete and utter tools. You hear women talk about these guys and how good looking they are. I think these guys are in a very small minority though, Most guys fall in the more average category.

Even though women will swoon over these guys, looks aren't the be all end all for them, IMO.