Game does not create attraction, it sustains it

[SmoothSmooth]

Attraction cannot be negotiated
Which means her attraction for you was determined before you had time ‘game her’
Game is just understanding what behaviours ruin attraction, and how to avoid them. Female attraction is fickle and easily extinguished.
Game therefore does not help average or below average men. Improving looks and status does. PUA in that regard is a lie.

Game helps the top 20% of men sustain enough leads to have success

 

[SW15]

What do you consider Game? It sounds like you are equating Game more so with personality and psychological tactics.

To me, Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality/charisma.

Personality can matter, but looks and money tend to matter more.

 

[characternote]

What do you consider Game?

most people (especially in the 'pickup' world and on PUA sites etc) would equate game to the words you use, the body language, the psychological tactics (as you put it) etc. They would most certainly not include looks or money for example. IN fact, if you look at old PUA forums, there's a lot of 'you don't even have game, bro. You don't even know how to construct a DHV story! You only get laid loads because you're really good looking and clearly have lots of money' etc

So if we use that definition, then the OP is kinda right. This was basically the false promise that pua coaches etc tried to sell. It was eaten up back in the day, but has been dying a slow death for a long time now. Less and less believers. Probably the invention of youtube and stuff helped speed it up and show it was mostly bs armchair theory. Even this forum is a good example of that. If someone said 'how do I bang my young hot neighbour' on this site 10 years ago, the replies would be things like 'Read the bookofpook and mysterymethod. Open her in convo and drop in some 'bait' about how you are a leader of men. Be sure to use some pushpull lines such as xyz. Don't worry about being twice her age and fat and bald. It's irrelevant as long as you know mysterymethod' etc etc etc.
Nowadays, the advice on this forum, as we see most days, would basically be 'hit the gym. Get as good looking as possible. And then say hi and see if she's into you or not' (not a single mention of tech)

Anyone who'se delved into infields and courses from the supposed best womanisers/pua's in history would have likely noticed that they still get rejected a lot (despite their 'advanced game') and that they can basically never turn around a rejection. Basically all their lays are on strong 'yes girls' who were into them the second they said 'hi'. So really nothing to do with 'game' (in the traditional sense) despite their best efforts to convince you otherwise haha. But as I say, none of this really needs to be said. It really seems to be generally accepted nowadays, even in teh PUA community, that this is basically a numbers game.

At best, 'game' is there to help you not screw up and drop the ball with a girl who thinks you are good looking and is attracted to you. Not to 'make' her attracted

 

[Plinco]

Attraction cannot be negotiated
Which means her attraction for you was determined before you had time ‘game her’
Game is just understanding what behaviours ruin attraction, and how to avoid them. Female attraction is fickle and easily extinguished.
Game therefore does not help average or below average men. Improving looks and status does. PUA in that regard is a lie.

Game helps the top 20% of men sustain enough leads to have success

That depends on how you define game.

If game is only about what you do (including what you say) after meeting her, than yes you are correct. If you define game in part to mean how you carry yourself, dress, etc., then having good game makes the difference.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

That depends on how you define game.

If game is only about what you do (including what you say) after meeting her, than yes you are correct. If you define game in part to mean how you carry yourself, dress, etc., then having good game makes the difference.

For normal people, dressing good and carrying yourself in a calm manner is just part of well…being normal and social. Nothing to do with game. Nothing to do with being alpha. It’s just what people do that value themselves.

‘game’ is pua lingo for behaviour, words, comebacks, theory, etc
Women go for looks primarily and need your social status to be equal to hers or above. Anything else is a bonus but the threshold for being attracted to someone is based on liking how they look and them not making you look uncool/broke

 

[SW15]

most people (especially in the 'pickup' world and on PUA sites etc) would equate game to the words you use, the body language, the psychological tactics (as you put it) etc. They would most certainly not include looks or money for example. IN fact, if you look at old PUA forums, there's a lot of 'you don't even have game, bro. You don't even know how to construct a DHV story! You only get laid loads because you're really good looking and clearly have lots of money' etc

So if we use that definition, then the OP is kinda right. This was basically the false promise that pua coaches etc tried to sell. It was eaten up back in the day, but has been dying a slow death for a long time now. Less and less believers. Probably the invention of youtube and stuff helped speed it up and show it was mostly bs armchair theory. Even this forum is a good example of that. If someone said 'how do I bang my young hot neighbour' on this site 10 years ago, the replies would be things like 'Read the bookofpook and mysterymethod. Open her in convo and drop in some 'bait' about how you are a leader of men. Be sure to use some pushpull lines such as xyz. Don't worry about being twice her age and fat and bald. It's irrelevant as long as you know mysterymethod' etc etc etc.
Nowadays, the advice on this forum, as we see most days, would basically be 'hit the gym. Get as good looking as possible. And then say hi and see if she's into you or not' (not a single mention of tech)

‘game’ is pua lingo for behaviour, words, comebacks, theory, etc

It seems like Game is defined here more around personality elements. Charisma is a part of personality.

I believe that the personality elements (charisma, body language, psychological tactics, etc) are all of lesser importance than looks and money.

There are some cases where personality makes a difference. Neil Strauss has been a 5'6" balding/bald man and the seduction tactics made a difference for him.

Older PUA books like Mystery Method, Book of Pook, and Bang/Day Bang can have some value.

I have used various psychological tactics in my seduction efforts over the years.

I think that I'm mostly in agreement with @SmoothSmooth and @characternote on my perspective.

Getting fit and addressing anything on looks is #1.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

It seems like Game is defined here more around personality elements. Charisma is a part of personality.

I believe that the personality elements (charisma, body language, psychological tactics, etc) are all of lesser importance than looks and money.

There are some cases where personality makes a difference. Neil Strauss has been a 5'6" balding/bald man and the seduction tactics made a difference for him.

Older PUA books like Mystery Method, Book of Pook, and Bang/Day Bang can have some value.

I have used various psychological tactics in my seduction efforts over the years.

I think that I'm mostly in agreement with @SmoothSmooth and @characternote on my perspective.

Getting fit and addressing anything on looks is #1.

where is the proof it worked for Neil?
He married a 6.5 from east Europe which implies she was the best he got. She divorced him.
Mystery was practically a male model and used to have camera crew following him around during infield to help him look famous

 

[SW15]

where is the proof it worked for Neil?

He boosted his notch count.

 

[Supreme Solar Wolf]

Looks creat attraction. "Game" only helps if u want to smash a girl more than once.

 

[RangerMIke]

Attraction is strategic. (being the best version of yourself)
Building interest is tactical. (game)