Future Zoom debate with Pan87 - All are invited

[Serenity]

I also found this peculiar. In fact Mods if you’re reading this … how about checking their IP address(es). I realize you may not be able to publicly do this, but I’d like the forum member(s) to be outed. I suspect a particular member (politicians will pull this type of scheme as a decoy - in order to make their opponent look suspect).

I actually received an email from one of these supposed ‘new forum members.’

I can not confirm that either of the two new members are any other existing member at the current moment. Treat new members as new members, when they turn out to be malicious it's for us to deal with.

I agree this looks suspicious given the context, but given my extended information I see no evidence of foul play.

 

[Stuffnu]

Guys. My sincere apologies. I have been questioning what this debate is actually about, and I have only just now bothered to read Black Widow’s post.

Now I have the full picture and perfect understanding of this situation.

This isn’t a debate about anything interesting. It’s purely a witch-hunt because Black Beta thinks I’m full of sh1t and that i can’t get laid:

Let me settle this clearly for you all.

Betas always struggle to imagine what it’s like to get laid regularly. Because it rarely happens for them. Betas are continually confronted with the reality that most men are un-chosen by women. They either accept it, or go into extreme denial.

This is why Black Beta and others get triggered on this forum. They are unsuccessful with women and are completely triggered by guys who are. They can only cope with it by accusing the other of “lies”.

So, any debate with Black Beta would be boring. It would be me saying exactly the same stuff I’m saying here, and Black Beta calling me a liar. Then he’d likely ask for a picture of my d1ck to prove that I’m a man. Then he will ask me to have sex with him. That’s how these things always go with women (and Black Widow has the mind of a woman).

Pan, no need to apologize. - cause that’s beta per your own words.
A lot of your stuff is spot on while others especially your conspiracy theories is complete BS.
Thats okay because we have the right to disagree.

If some of the members get easily rattled by being called beta, soft, etc., have no chance on dealing with the challenges and shiate tests women will throw at them. Women are the ones that are ruthless and people here need to grow a set a balls stat to gain the upper hand.

As far as I know, you could be a fat and bald headed man who lives in his mother’s basement who reads a lot but plagiarizes the material. Jokes aside, it doesn’t matter as it’s my choice to accept or reject your opinions. Always welcome because I will remain unfazed and unbothered by anonymous posts.

For those that think he’s trolling - ignore and don’t feed the animals.
Now, let’s all move on and stop with this pathetic womanly infighting and slay the real dragon. Poontang!

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Pan, no need to apologize. - cause that’s beta per your own words.
A lot of your stuff is spot on while others especially your conspiracy theories is complete BS.

Now, let’s all move on and stop with this pathetic womanly infighting and slay the real dragon. Poontang!

Not to derail the thread, but how do you expect to "slay" when you can't recognize basic manipulative behavior?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Hey guys. I was only just alerted to this.

Sorry to disappoint you all, but I won't be participating in this creepy Beta wank fest.

Give the people what we want.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

So I guess @Pan87 has officially tucked his tail between his legs and ran, huh? Disappointed in him. I thought he would have been the kind of guy who had the courage to stand up for himself. Guess not. He's lost my respect.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Yes, very disappointing.

Modern Man Advice

 

[DoubleBarrel]

The respect of a Nobody isn’t a life goal of mine

Most people are nobodies, @Pan87. I pity the guy who doesn't desire the respect of his fellow "nobody" men, just because they can do nothing to further his selfish agenda. He's eventually going to find himself an outcast everyone in his community greets with contempt.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

People who are not on my side are Nobodies to me.

Desiring respect from people who are not on your side is Beta. You should take care of the men who display loyalty, and crush your enemies.

What's with your obsession with referring to anything and anyone who disagrees with you as "Beta"? I remember when Pook was still here, and some guys were constantly criticizing things and other guys as "nice guys"; he claimed this revealed that they, themselves, were still nice guys. They condemn what they're not aware that they are. The guy spoke a lot of truth.

A real "Alpha" doesn't care whether he's "Alpha" or not, and he doesn't go around belittling his fellows' manhoods, regardless of whether they are still living in error and haven't yet become enlightened.

A guy who talks himself up as an "Alpha" only reveals he is still a "Beta".

 

[DoubleBarrel]

So, condemning a simp, makes one a simp?

Makes no sense, man.

Beta behaviour is destructive to this world. It has to be called out.

Promiscuity is way more destructive to this world than simps are. It ruins women's lives and souls, leads to killing children, is a huge expense to the government, and it ultimately turns men into sex addicts who never make any real contribution to their societies, because they're only bend on their own self-satisfaction.

Should I call you out for that too?

And no, condemning a simp doesn't make one a simp. It reveals that deep down, he still is one. The guy obsessed with categorizing behavior as either "alpha" or "beta" leads him to creating an artificial construct that he conforms his behavior and life too. He acts or refuses to act according to these rules, not because it is natural for him to do so where his emotions and true thoughts are aligned with his conduct, but because he craves pvssy at the cost of his own integrity as a man. He is inauthentic; a phony. And in this, he stills worships women, just in a different way than what we commonly refer to as a simping.

But far worse than all this, he's not true to himself. So he can't be true to anyone else. And because of this, any love and respect he does win in the short-term with his calculated efforts will eventually be striped from him in the long-term, and be replaced by contempt from the people he used and deceived to satisfy his selfishness.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This popcorn tastes good.

@Pan87 take the debate

 

[DoubleBarrel]

Simps support promiscuity by simping for slvts.

Why are women promiscuous? Because she knows that even if she has 10 kids to 11 different men, there’ll always be a long line of simps ready to support her, love her, and pick up the pieces

Simps may swoop in for damage control. But what's really important is: Who orchestrated the damage in the first place? Who's responsible for a woman turning into a slut? Is it herself -- or is the guys who seek to use her for sex and then discard her once they satisfy their lust?

 

[DoubleBarrel]

You shouldn't support Alphas by white knighting for the women that ruined in this Game.

Men compete with Men for women. At the moment, Alphas fvck the women and Betas clean up the mess. That's the result of male competition and winner-takes-all. If Betas can't figure this out then that's why they are Betas.

Funny how you completely avoided answering my questions. Instead, you gave me advice I didn't ask you for. Now I see why you really declined @Black Widow Void 's challenge; you're a terrible debater who views the world, not as a man, but as an animal. Or maybe you just avoided answering me because you don't want to face the fact that your irresponsibility and your failure to hold yourself accountable for your conduct makes you a liability to your society; your breed costs your government millions and millions a year (but I don't know Australia's financial statement, so give or take).

 

[DoubleBarrel]

I did answer the question.

You cause the damage by white knighting for women who have been ruined by "Alphas", and continuing to vote for Woke politics. You know what this does? It saves her from facing the consequences of her bad decisions.

Men like you have ruined the world and you deserve what's-a'comin. Stupid people deserve nothing.

No, Pan, you side-stepped my question. So let me repeat; I asked:

Who's responsible for women turning into sluts: themselves -- or guys like you who use them for sex, then abandon them?

You responded by explaining to me how the animal kingdom works. But that didn't answer the question.

It appears you're not capable of carrying on an intelligent debate, and I now regret wanting to see you have one with @Black Widow Void.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Wow I leave for a few hours to grab a Bilder-Burger with Alex Jones and you guys are beating up my bro Pan…

Tisk tisk

 

[DoubleBarrel]

Wow I leave for a few hours to grab a Bilder-Burger with Alex Jones and you guys are beating up my bro Pan…

Tisk tisk

So you admit it then; he's losing this debate?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

#IRONY #SARCASM

You’d need to be versed in all things conspiracy theory and New World Order and how the rich are going to drink our babies blood and pizzagate and that my COVID vax increased my 5g coverage etcetc

To get the joke.

So you admit it then; he's losing this debate?

 

[Gamisch]

Funny thread, like two knights(no colour) challenging each other ,or two coybows getting ready for a shoot out. Would be a nice, a discussion thread, a specific place where specific topics can be discussed.

This forum USP is it's mainly men talking about women. No politics and other subjects, just female behaviour. To engage here a man (most) already have some experience in the game . It's just the realization that the game goes deeper then you might think, and this is the place to share thought and get feedback from fellow men.

I think both Pan and BW have their unique role over here: Pan is more cut throat and BW can be more analytical . A new ,broken curious member can learn from both approaches. Pan is the tough love type dude, it might hurt when he tells you something but it's mostly sincere advice. BWV also has his strengths , being a well spoken analytical dude who takes his time to think along with a member.

It's a men place, men will always crash and challenge one another. That's perfectly fine. Both men got some to learn about respectfully engaging in the conversation so it could indeed be a nice debate.

The two of them(Pan and BWV) are somuch more alike then they realize haha.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

All men, collectively, are responsible. If the Alphas make you unhappy and you don’t like the world that Alphas have constructed, then it’s up to the betas (who have vastly superior numbers) to dispose of the current crop of self-appointed Alphas who have written the Laws and created the world as is, in 2022.

They are only “Alphas” because you support the structure and leadership. You save the women who fall foul of Alphas.

Women are traditionally scared of sexual risks like pregnancy and slvt shaming. Birth control, white knighting laws etc have saved women from this fear. And thus they are prepared to take the risk of getting pumped and dumped by Alphas in the hope she might secure one.

So, if you don’t like it then do something about it.

So if a woman sleeps with "alpha" after "alpha" with a few "betas" thrown in here and there and becomes a slvt, it's every man in the nation's fault, because the "alphas" made the laws, and the "betas" let them or refuse to protest?

What kind of logic do we have here?

Generally, a woman becomes a slut because she sleeps with a guy, then gets abandoned. Then repeats the process, over and over again, until she finally no longer cares about her dignity and self-respect.

But there are two parties involved here -- the woman and the individual men she sleeps with.

How is this a collective responsibility?

The "beta" has no voice in their choice to copulate, and in fact, he probably opposes it. So it's a fallacy to blame all men for creating sluts. It's either the women or the seducers, or both. That's who's at fault. But which one is it? I've asked you which one it is three times now, but once again, you've evaded that question.

I wonder why.

Could it be that you and your breed refuse to accept the responsibility that you are the ones that should be held accountable for creating sluts. After all, men are the leaders, and women submit and follow our lead. You use women for your selfish pleasure, then you alienate them, even though they want to partner with you. You, and those like you, add to their increasing notch counts. And what's more is you self-congratulate yourself for it like you're some kind of goddamn hero.

But how does this vile and shameful behavior affect the health and prosperity of a nation, which every man who has a conscience should be concerned with?

It results in killing babies, which costs the government millions upon millions (in Canada, it's $50M a year), plus child support if the woman has any amount of morality left in her that she gives birth to the child, which costs your country 20x+ more than that for child support, because you won't be a man and provide for your children.

It's guys like you who are responsible for causing our governments to overcompensate for your lack of patriotism for your nations and your inability to control your drives and emotions, and moderate and channel them into constructive avenues and relations that works a hardship on no one and doesn't penalize a government's wallet.

You think simps should be called out, for damaging societies. They're guilty of none of the above. No, it's guys like you who are the ones doing the real damage to our societies, so I'm calling you out.

But as you've repeatedly been doing in this thread; you shift the blame for your malefactions onto others, and refuse to look at yourself and your misguided errors, all to justify your lusty selfishness so you can resume disrespecting and using women.

Maybe it's time to do some thinking about your life, and your obligations as a citizen of your country.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

So if a woman sleeps with "alpha" after "alpha" with a few "betas" thrown in here and there and becomes a slvt, it's every man in the nation's fault, because the "alphas" made the laws, and the "betas" let them or refuse to protest?

What kind of logic do we have here?

Generally, a woman becomes a slut because she sleeps with a guy, then gets abandoned. Then repeats the process, over and over again, until she finally no longer cares about her dignity and self-respect.

But there are two parties involved here -- the woman and the individual men she sleeps with.

How is this a collective responsibility?

The "beta" has no voice in their choice to copulate, and in fact, he probably opposes it. So it's a fallacy to blame all men for creating sluts. It's either the women or the seducers, or both. That's who's at fault. But which one is it? I've asked you which one it is three times now, but once again, you've evaded that question.

I wonder why.

Could it be that you and your breed refuse to accept the responsibility that you are the ones that should be held accountable for creating sluts. After all, men are the leaders, and women submit and follow our lead. You use women for your selfish pleasure, then you alienate them, even though they want to partner with you. You, and those like you, add to their increasing notch counts. And what's more is you self-congratulate yourself for it like you're some kind of goddamn hero.

But how does this vile and shameful behavior affect the health and prosperity of a nation, which every man who has a conscience should be concerned with?

It results in killing babies, which costs the government millions upon millions (in Canada, it's $50M a year), plus child support if the woman has any amount of morality left in her that she gives birth to the child, which costs your country 20x+ more than that for child support, because you won't be a man and provide for your children.

It's guys like you who are responsible for causing our governments to overcompensate for your lack of patriotism for your nations and your inability to control your drives and emotions, and moderate and channel them into constructive avenues and relations that works a hardship on no one and doesn't penalize a government's wallet.

You think simps should be called out, for damaging societies. They're guilty of none of the above. No, it's guys like you who are the ones doing the real damage to our societies, so I'm calling you out.

But as you've repeatedly been doing in this thread; you shift the blame for your malefactions onto others, and refuse to look at yourself and your misguided errors, all to justify your lusty selfishness so you can resume disrespecting and using women.

Maybe it's time to do some thinking about your life, and your obligations as a citizen of your country.

The simps inflate a woman's ego to induce her to indulge in hypergamy, which is one of the main reasons for abandonment after sex.

As to who is most responsible for creating sluts, the answer lies in "who created femnism?" As a purported Christian, you should instinctively know the answer. But as a Canadian, that might be a question that's fearful to ask. Ahh, the conflicts of life...

Btw, your PM is a globalist traitor. Lol, shouldn't that be where any patriotic obligations are directed first? Australia is even worse, but at least Pan is speaking out about it.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

The simps inflate a woman's ego to induce her to indulge in hypergamy, which is one of the main reasons for abandonment after sex.

As to who is most responsible for creating sluts, the answer lies in "who created femnism?" As a purported Christian, you should instinctively know the answer. But as a Canadian, that might be a question that's fearful to ask. Ahh, the conflicts of life...

Btw, your PM is a globalist traitor. Lol, shouldn't that be where any patriotic obligations are directed first? Australia is even worse, but at least Pan is speaking out about it.

How does inflating a woman's ego induce her to indulge in hypergamy? And once again, into whose bed is she throwing herself?

I'm an agnostic, not a Christian. Not sure why you would assume I was one. And yes, feminism promotes promiscuity, but still, it's us men who have to comply for it to be indulged in.

Until 2025, I have no voice in doing anything about Justin Trudeau.