Whats the quickest way that you guys have done and/or seen on how to go from normal (no abs, not much muscle etc) to built and "masculane" with abs (6 pack) etc....
Depends on genetics and work ethic. I'd say it would take a good 2 years for someone with avg genetics following a good workout plan with a good diet to be noticed in a crowd of normal people. Of course you will look better naked then most people within months, maybe weeks, but with clothes on it takes a while.
It took me around 4 months to go from "thin" to "muscular" (in other people's words), though I gained fat along the way, which takes some time to lose.
i'd say 6 months to 2 years, depending on how you approach it. If you do everything perfect it will take you less time, if you slack off on diet, workouts etc, it will take a long long time.
And don't focus on your results, focus on your strength. Make strength based goals, achieve them, and then make new ones. Your body's appearance will catch up.
Originally posted by Jariel It took me around 4 months to go from "thin" to "muscular" (in other people's words), though I gained fat along the way, which takes some time to lose.
Working out can be very easily discouraging as it isn't something that will give you immediate gratification. I agree with mind over matter a lot when he says train for strength because for me that is the thing that I can see the quickest and I realize that my body will follow. But being big doesn't happen in a night or a month but goes slowly over years. I have had a lot of friends give up after a couple of weeks thinking they aren't getting anywhere and then wonder how I did. I kept it up for a long time. Even then when I look at the bulking thread I see guys who put on the weight that I gained in three years do it in 6 months.
d-bol for 6 weeks is the stupist thing u can do......all oral anbolics fvck u totallly up and a 6weeks cycle is ridicolous. i know it was a joke but maybe some bodybuilding dealer in the gym wants to sell him this sh1t.
it doesn't take years to get a decent body - u can improve a lot in a half year or in one year. but only and only with full dedication - else forget it. when you only workout but dont eat right you will NEVER get a good body(only if u have good genetics, not skinny genetics) NOT after 1year NOT after 3 yeaars and NOT after 10 years!! do it right or dont do it at all!
I've been working out for 2.5 years, and I'm 5'9" and 168 pounds with some fat (don't know the percentage - 15%?). If I'd shredded my fat down, I'd basically look like a shorter version of MindOverMatter - with a slightly stockier, thicker torso. I'm definitely the type of guy that looks really good with his shirt off, but looks pretty average with it on - seems to be the case with most meso-ectomorphs like me.
My goal is to be about 170 to 175 at (8-10% bodyfat). That means I'll have to bulk up to about 180 then cut, or do a clean bulk (the route I'm leaning toward - being fat and buff is not a good feeling). I've definitely been lazy at times, and coz I know I have decent genetics I'm sure I could've done all this in about 1.5 years, instead of 2.5 years+.
I was working out 4 times a week (with ideas from the guides here and there) and eating small meals and snacks every 1-2 hours, with whey protein after workouts (as suggested in Diesel's guide). I ate a can of tuna and at least one steak or chicken fillet per day.
I packed on the muscle very quickly, but after 4 months I was losing my definition so I went to cutting, and I'm still cutting after 2 months!
I've been lifting for about 3 years now, and have no plans on stopping anytime soon. When I first started, i weighed about 160...i'm up to about 210 now. You really need to focus on diet, and form when you train. It's a hobby/lifestyle that you have to be in 100%. If not, you're wasting your time. I know girls are attracted to men who are toned, but 'not too big'.
"Not too big" dosent cut it for me...my goal is to be massive.
It depends on what you consider "normal" and "BIG". So, I'd say absolute minimum of six months, with a generous interpretation of "normal" and borderline "big". Three years for someone on the smaller side of "normal", with less than spectacular genes, and an unmistakable definition of "big".
Both of those rely you on you: working very hard, not missing workouts for BS reasons, eating enough, getting enough rest etc In short, getting everything right.
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