FR: Talked to these girls during lunch.

[ElStud]

Good advice man, but I want to know how can I take my current game and start actually getting the girls not just to laugh at my jokes, but start seeing me as THE Alpha Male. I say this because while I can make the girls laugh and hold their attention for a few minutes, the next day the girls won't even show any interest in talking to me. I also see these same girls giving other guys more attention. I want to improve my game to the point where THE GIRLS are wanting to initiate conversation with me, not the other way around. Also say I was attracted to one of the girls in my group, how could I improve my game to attract them and see my value?

I'm thinking about the whole push/pull thing, adding a 'positive' edge to the negs.

"Not that there's much to see there, then again bigger isn't always better" that kind of stuff.

Also how do I stop relying on these girls for fun? I would approach other girls, but most other girls in lunch are at a table with a guy friend, in large groups or just Freshman.

See this is how my "hang out" time goes. First I have a free period, where I go to the cafeteria where they have lunch that period and hang out at the senior lounge and eat. Bad thing about that period is it's mostly Freshman. Then period after that, the cafeteria is pretty empty. Then comes the second lunch period where all those girls come. Sometimes the girls will eat outside, sometimes they'll come to the senior lounge where I hang. If the girls don't talk to me, that pretty much ruins my day because I'm relying on them for fun, I want to stop that.

 

[Yapper]

Do you even have any guy friends?

 

[ElStud]

Do you even have any guy friends?

Asks an irrelavent question, don't expect an answer.

 

[Kev07]

Go for quality instead of quantity.

Not every girl is going to busting their ass to talk to you, that's why you need to get a core group of friends. They are the ones that will initiate conversations with you.


to do this, you will need to do more than just talk. Do something. Feel like playing pool? Let em know and set up a date to go play pool. You're never going to get close ties by just using your mouth.

Take action.

Of course these girls aren't giving you any attention, you're like their personal entertainer, if you have nothing funny to say, they won't care about you.

That's why I keep telling you to close, to stop trying (or appear to try) so hard to think of something witty. Just let it go, this isn't rocket science, it's social communications.

 

[Kev07]

Asks an irrelavent question, don't expect an answer.

That is not irrelevant.

Theres a quote from some PUA that is definetely true. It's something about Lead the guys, and the women will follow.


And guy friends are how you won't have to rely on girls for your entertainment.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Good advice man, but I want to know how can I take my current game and start actually getting the girls not just to laugh at my jokes, but start seeing me as THE Alpha Male.

Personally, I take the whole "Alpha" thing with a grain of salt. You don't have to be an alpha to get women. To be alpha, you've got to have guys around you who we could assume would be betas. The thing is, you don't need other guys around to get women thus no need to be Alpha unless you always need to have other guys around and then it's still questionable.

I say this because while I can make the girls laugh and hold their attention for a few minutes, the next day the girls won't even show any interest in talking to me. I also see these same girls giving other guys more attention. I want to improve my game to the point where THE GIRLS are wanting to initiate conversation with me, not the other way around.

Hopefully you aren't just running comedy routines to hold their interest. You're not their court jester y'know.

Also say I was attracted to one of the girls in my group, how could I improve my game to attract them and see my value?

Here's a dose of reality, it's not a given that a woman you are attracted to will see what you have to offer as a value to her. It helps if you knew the type of women who appreciate what you have to offer. Think of it as trying to sell a really sexy 36C size bra to a woman who's a 34A. What's the point?

I'm thinking about the whole push/pull thing, adding a 'positive' edge to the negs.

"Not that there's much to see there, then again bigger isn't always better" that kind of stuff.

Ummm, I still don't see the positive edge to that one. If there's no complement, there should at least be a funny slant to it and SHE needs to think it's funny.

Also how do I stop relying on these girls for fun? I would approach other girls, but most other girls in lunch are at a table with a guy friend, in large groups or just Freshman.

The whole high school lunch thing (popularity) is a bit of a pain. Most kids seem to believe that negging outsiders makes them popular. Don't get me started....

My suggestion to you is to start hitting up these girls in less "hoard-like" environments. Home room, other classes, the media center, where ever. The idea is to get them to enjoy your company without the pressure of having a ton of other people around who they want to make sure that they approve of you. I know, it's a lot of BS.

 

[ElStud]

Personally, I take the whole "Alpha" thing with a grain of salt. You don't have to be an alpha to get women. To be alpha, you've got to have guys around you who we could assume would be betas. The thing is, you don't need other guys around to get women thus no need to be Alpha unless you always need to have other guys around and then it's still questionable.

Hopefully you aren't just running comedy routines to hold their interest. You're not their court jester y'know.

Here's a dose of reality, it's not a given that a woman you are attracted to will see what you have to offer as a value to her. It helps if you knew the type of women who appreciate what you have to offer. Think of it as trying to sell a really sexy 36C size bra to a woman who's a 34A. What's the point?

Ummm, I still don't see the positive edge to that one. If there's no complement, there should at least be a funny slant to it and SHE needs to think it's funny.

The whole high school lunch thing (popularity) is a bit of a pain. Most kids seem to believe that negging outsiders makes them popular. Don't get me started....

My suggestion to you is to start hitting up these girls in less "hoard-like" environments. Home room, other classes, the media center, where ever. The idea is to get them to enjoy your company without the pressure of having a ton of other people around who they want to make sure that they approve of you. I know, it's a lot of BS.

Look again man, "Not that there's much to see, but bigger isn't always better" yes still saying there's not much to see, but saying that I don't have a problem dating girls with small tits.

As for a less "hoard-like" environment, sorry can't do that, only see them during lunch. It shouldn't be more than a simple group approach though.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Look again man, "Not that there's much to see, but bigger isn't always better" yes still saying there's not much to see, but saying that I don't have a problem dating girls with small tits.

Do you think that a girl (who may already be self concious about not being as big as other girls) will see that as a compliment? Remember, it doesn't matter what you mean, what matters is how she perceives it.

As for a less "hoard-like" environment, sorry can't do that, only see them during lunch. It shouldn't be more than a simple group approach though.

Sure, it should be simple. Hopefully there aren't any AMOGs around who's slurping up testosterone filled juice boxes.

 

[Kev07]

Look again man, "Not that there's much to see, but bigger isn't always better" yes still saying there's not much to see, but saying that I don't have a problem dating girls with small tits.

As for a less "hoard-like" environment, sorry can't do that, only see them during lunch. It shouldn't be more than a simple group approach though.

Just drop the whole making fun of a girl's tits when you're in high school, maybe if you're in a bar or something and negs are then more important.


If anything, say something like "Wow that shirt makes your boobs look huge!" And yes I've said that before, it worked out pretty well.

 

[nicenomore]

approach 1 was good though i think pretty sexual for high school...

btw , how did it end??/

 

[Skel]

As most others stated. Are you trying to improve on being an *******? If so, well done. Neg hits should only be used when necessary. It seems every new person no this forum thinks that neg hitting girls is the magic wand. It's not.

 

[Scars]

That was kind of painful to read. Ease up on the negs bro.

 

[gimmeyofonenumba]

haha thats funny man. I give you props on the "nothing to see" comment. Except it cant be said to a girl who has low self esteem, it has to be said to a girl who has never even thought or heard anyone say something like that to her.

One time i was in the library, and this 9 was sitting down, reading. I whispered over and said "hey" and tried to initiate convo, but she obviously didnt wanna talk, she didnt say much. She went back to reading and i whispered to her "you're boring" and smiled, it cauight her off guard, i later wished her good luck studying. Obviously this is a failure story, but point is you have to come back with some kinda positive, or dont be too harsh in the 1st place.

 

[Kev07]

first off, Kev07, just keep quiet becaues you're not the one to give advice about this stuff. Go talk to some girls and have sex before you tell what others are doing wrong.

Last I remembered, this wasn't a thread about getting laid.

 

[Scars]

Getting laid is overrated anyway.

 

[Charm]

ElStud: You need to view yourself in a different light. I think somewhere along the way of learning all this DJ stuff, you picked up a few bad grains of salt and they got stuck in your teeth. One, is you're totally over-negging to the point where you probably hurt that flat-chested girls feelings. That screws up the push-pull theory because you pushed so hard, she isn't there when you go to pull her back in.

#2. Burning bridges with one girl can burn bridges with others unknowingly. Bad reputations spread faster than good ones so be careful how you treat people in an enclosed environment like school. Everyone in connected and sees eachother every day so choose your words more wisely.

#3. I think you're opener for the purses was funny and on point. It was a kind and tactful way of saying "move your purses please so i can sit down" without saying so directly. Good opener but you blow it by being mean.

#4. You have no comfort or attraction building material in your conversations at all. Its almost all fluff with no substance. You need to indicate interest to the women you want and to learn about them by asking them questions. This IS SO SO IMPORTANT. If all you listen to is this point, you'll increase your skills ten fold. You need to qualify them, by asking them things like "Are you adventurous? Are you outgoing?

Here's an example of a C&F qualifier neg if she says she's adventourous: "Oh so you're adventurous are you? Adventurous enough to go on a white water rafting adventure or do you mean adventurous enough to try on a new brand nail polish?

Ask her questions about her background, nationality, share common interests and stories, and demontrate that you are interested in getting to know them on a deeper level. THIS WILL BUILD ATTRACTION IN THEM TOWARDS YOU. They will think "Who is this guy who wants to get to know me?" and by them asking themselves that question, they in turn will want to get to know you better! You become the PRIZE in their mind and you do so by learning about them. Also, by learning you get ammunition you can use later. Good luck!

 

[Crazy Asian]

i think you did very nicely!
and u guys get to eat outside?!!

 

[DonJuan11]

How do you remember all your conversations? I can't remember what I said to a chick an hour ago

 

[Brighty]

making fun of a girls boobs (especially if shes sensitive about them) was one of the worst mistakes I ever made when I was in eighth grade. don't make the same mistake I did