FR: Smoker chick (I hate smoke!)

izza

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Perhaps few of my little adventures so far are more characteristic of my personality than my painfully lamentable interactions with smoker chick.

This is a girl I met in December. Her dad is American so we speak English, she's about my height and thin as a fishing rod (I'm being nice, so I didn't say the fishing line). But all this is made up for by a pretty face and figure, bright brown eyes, a sharp, curious and educated mind, and a great sense of humor. When we met in December, we had an instant connection. I was almost certain there was going to be something between us. I was quite excited to get to know her. We went out the first time, and we were laughing about something or other when she pulled out her first cigarette. Then another, then another. She's not a chain smoker, but she usually smokes about 1 an hour.

This was devestating. You have to understand to what extent this bothers me. Earlier on in November, I went on a few dates with a drop dead gorgeous girl, who seemed to like me just fine. Blonde hair, blue eyes, French, tall - and what's more, gentle, generous, intelligent, and athletic. She is the kind of girl that we are on this site to look for. And I dropped her because she smoked. Now she's gone forever and I don't regret a thing.

So, I don't think I need to tell you that smoker chick was instantaneously in the friend zone, where she has been up until about a month ago. That was when I started to rethink my policy on smokers. We had gone out a few times as friends and always had a fabulous time doing various things. A month ago we went out and had a blast checking out one part of town, eating out etc. We happened to pass her apartment and she invited me up. I accepted nervously, forseeing the inner struggle ahead. Like I said, I'm very attracted to everything about smoker girl except that she's a smoker. So, I'm sitting there in her awesome apartment, frozen like ice. On the one hand, the thought of kissing an ashtray is not at all my ideal. It is also my first kiss in a long time, so I'm trying to make it at least taste good, if not be good. But I started to wonder if I was just grossly exaggerating the importance of the whole smoking thing as an excuse to retreat from battle and to go home pitying my chick-less life (pitying myself is traditionally one of my favorite pastimes). Besides, I've never kissed a smoker before. How the hell do I know that it will be bad?! All I know is that I've heard it's disgusting.

We were play fighting alone in her room and I desperately wanted to plant one on her - which I think she would like by the way. But every time, the image of a mouthful of ash came to mind and I just couldn't. I took leave of her and I couldn't help but feel that I had fallen for the oldest trick in my book of tricks: extreme exaggeration of a little problem in order to prevent me from acting. I was so disappointed with myself that I promised to act the next time.

The problem with my personality, of course, is that my promises don't mean jack-sh*t. I can say without exaggeration that I was up in her apartment the very next day. This time it would have been just as easy too. She was just lying on her bed waiting for me to join her. But just like in the cartoons, her head dissolved into the image of a blackened ash-tray, and I just would not, could not do it. Sigh! I'm not too high and mighty to say that I am still frustrated as hell.

Most of us believe on this site that we should find women who fit who we are and what we want. But in real life a person has to make compromises, even little ones because nobody is perfect. This isn't even for a long term relationship or anything. This is just for the hell of it.

In the abstract, I did the right thing. I wanted to kiss her, but not to kiss her cigarettes (she never uses mints or anything). But it's just so typical of me to seek 100% assurance that I'm doing something I won't regret that I'm suspicious of myself.

Izza

PS Also, one of my fears is that kissing a girl who smokes is just one step closer to trying a cigarette and/or getting addicted. How is that for exaggeration!

Izza
 

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Everyone has their standards when it comes to women, so if you don't want a chick who smokes cigarettes, then that's fine. Some are really turned off by the idea of a girl smoking, others don't mind it at all. You have the power to choose, and being selective is a good thing. Remember, you're supposed to be the prize, not the other way around.

Although, you are a bit paranoid I find on the whole matter. First off, you won't get addicted to smoking cigarettes by kissing someone, and second, why don't you simply pass a stick of gum to the girl and then kiss her? She'll get the idea sooner or later and if she stops, great... if not, who cares? Just move on like you already are. Nothing wrong with being selective.

I'm seeing a girl right now who smokes cigarettes socially... she doesn't taste like cigarettes when I kiss her. You should try it out first before you jump the gun.
 

izza

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I think you're right. I'll no longer let the smoking thing be an excuse.

Wow, it has no taste?!?!

Hahahahaha, aww crap.

Bahahaha
 

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I'm seeing a girl now who smokes (smoked). Saw her 3 days ago, and she was smoking like a chimney!

I have always told her that I dont like it, and she had reduced her smoking from 40 a day (I KNOW!) to about 10. But I still didnt like it.

So... on the weekend, I told her that I REALLY REALLY didnt like it because not only is she damaging her health, she is hurting all around her, including ME!

She suggested that we end things, and I very cooly said "ok, I understand"...

She then started going on about how much she cares about me, bla bla, and promissed to quit! She even threw out her cigarette packet infront of me. Lets hope it lasts!

She said "I am doing this for YOU!" and I said "no, i want you to do it for your self, and understand why it is not good for you". I basically told her that the only reason I want her to quit is that I care about her and don't want her to hurt her self.

Really... all I want is for her to not stink of cigarette smoke while i'm banging her...
 

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I find that the whole "kissing an ashtray" thing is a product of the society of a55hole non-smokers who promote quitting by focussing on all the negatives of smoking and blowing them out of proportion.

Quit listening to society and find out for yourself if she tastes like an ashtray.
 

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I was going to say the exact same thing, Des.

That "Kissing an ashtray" crap is all over on billboards and on TV.

If you don't like her smoking, make her jump in the shower and brush her teeth before starting the session. I snagged a chick out of the club, went back to her place, cranked her shower on and told her: "Get in. When you're done, brush your teeth and meet me in the bedroom." She did, without even a peep. When she came out, she didn't even bother to put the clothes on, just the towel.

Do that with this chick.
 

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You must live in the EU - women there are superior to American women in EVERY WAY...except way too many of them smoke. Ugh. I feel your pain. I dated a smoker once and made her smoke outside, which was ok...but it was annoying cuz she had to go out there every hour or 2. Not to menion her breath kinda ranked.
Vulpine said:
If you don't like her smoking, make her jump in the shower and brush her teeth before starting the session. I snagged a chick out of the club, went back to her place, cranked her shower on and told her: "Get in. When you're done, brush your teeth and meet me in the bedroom." She did, without even a peep. When she came out, she didn't even bother to put the clothes on, just the towel.
LMAO - sweet! :up:
 

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Desdinova said:
I find that the whole "kissing an ashtray" thing is a product of the society of a55hole non-smokers who promote quitting by focussing on all the negatives of smoking and blowing them out of proportion.

Quit listening to society and find out for yourself if she tastes like an ashtray.

The only problem with this,is that 99% of the women smokers i have kissed taste like an ashtray.so i quit kissing them.i still hang out with a few of them,becuse they are cool enough to be worth my time.But every time i kissed one i was scared of liking the taste,and go back to smoking like i use to(2 packs a day,and living on the smoker diet.ciggerets and coffee for 2 square meals,and mabey a sandwhich if i was starveing.)i have cut back to 2-3 a day,unless its been beyond stressful,or i am bored.but then it goes up to 5 or 6 a day.

But on the other hand,you have a good point.Most advertising will take something they dont like(i.e. smoking) and focus on the negitive's by throwing them in your face,and forceing us to watch them all the time.

Just kiss her once,and if she taste like an asstray,dump her,and move on.But if she doesnt taste like it,tap that a$$ and have fun with it.
 

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All your FRs seem to have a common theme... you coming up with some excuse to not make a move. You have some hangup or insecurity that always seems to stop you from making the move to kiss a girl.

I don't know what's going on inside your head, but I'm guessing you're making this out to be a huge obstacle. Do some visualization. Put yourself in the moment when you're thinking about kissing the girl. Whatever you're picturing in your mind, shrink it down so that it fits on the head of a pin. Not so scary now is it? Whatever voice you're hearing that tells you "you can't do it", change the voice so that it sounds like Donald Duck. Not so big & scary now is it?

Now imagine kissing the girl. Take that image, blow it up, make it huge and colorful. Feels good, right? Nothing to be scared about.

OK so next time you're with a girl and the scary thoughts or negative voices come up then just take a minute to do the visualization and push that crap out of your head.

Now I want your next FR to talk about how you made the move, had a great time, and she spent the night in your bed.
 

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Lucas718 said:
All your FRs seem to have a common theme... you coming up with some excuse to not make a move. You have some hangup or insecurity that always seems to stop you from making the move to kiss a girl.

I don't know what's going on inside your head, but I'm guessing you're making this out to be a huge obstacle. Do some visualization. Put yourself in the moment when you're thinking about kissing the girl. Whatever you're picturing in your mind, shrink it down so that it fits on the head of a pin. Not so scary now is it? Whatever voice you're hearing that tells you "you can't do it", change the voice so that it sounds like Donald Duck. Not so big & scary now is it?

Now imagine kissing the girl. Take that image, blow it up, make it huge and colorful. Feels good, right? Nothing to be scared about.

OK so next time you're with a girl and the scary thoughts or negative voices come up then just take a minute to do the visualization and push that crap out of your head.

Now I want your next FR to talk about how you made the move, had a great time, and she spent the night in your bed.
Wow, now that I read these FR's again, the theme is me chickening out from making a move.

Yes, being a coward IS an obstacle!

I like your advice about the blowing up the images, turning voices into Donald Duck and so forth. I will use these techniques (they're straight out of NLP, right?)

I promise I won't post an FR again until I do it right! Uhh wait, no, I should promise to do things right, next time! Fortunately, the important part isn't the promising, it's the DOING, if you catch my drift.

Lucas, thanks a lot for the insightful response. I'm so terrified of making a move on women - it's perhaps even worse than actually approaching them, which I have started to sometimes do. People posted some great advice about slow escalation to a kiss - rather than doing an end-run. My kino skills are through the roof in day to day interactions, must apply to escalation, must apply to escalation...
 
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