FR-Sex As A Weapon Sh1t Test

[TheException]

HE STILL BROKE DOWN AND FAWKED HER A FEW HOURS LATER.

So which is it Cordon? First you say I should "fvck her no matter what...bottom line"....now you say I fvcked her too fast. Your contradicting yourself.

What lesson is that teaching her lol? So what changed from the night before to that morning? Any lesson he was trying to teach her went out the window as soon as he put his cawk inside her after they woke up.

You do realize the only amount of "set time" that matters is "in the moment". There is no such thing as "she did xyz so now you must teach her a lesson for 34.6 hours". She felt the emotions of the "sex card" back firing and realized her vag1na isnt the most important thing in the world and that its not something that can cage me to being a supplicating male.

But instead of it being a longer, fun night, it turned into a slam bam thank you mam where no one really gets what they want.

Your right. I could have caved and continued to cave to her every demand before we have sex....but that doesnt matter as long as I get sex right since thats what I want? I DID WANT sex....but once she starts to act the way she did I NO LONGER WANTED IT. I became very bored, very quickly.

OP was butthurt and took his ball(s) and went home.

Oh my god my butt still hurts...wheres the lube? Cordon I heard you are overstocked...

 

[cordoncordon]

HE STILL BROKE DOWN AND FAWKED HER A FEW HOURS LATER.

So which is it Cordon? First you say I should "fvck her no matter what...bottom line"....now you say I fvcked her too fast. Your contradicting yourself.

What lesson is that teaching her lol? So what changed from the night before to that morning? Any lesson he was trying to teach her went out the window as soon as he put his cawk inside her after they woke up.

You do realize the only amount of "set time" that matters is "in the moment". There is no such thing as "she did xyz so now you must teach her a lesson for 34.6 hours". She felt the emotions of the "sex card" back firing and realized her vag1na isnt the most important thing in the world and that its not something that can cage me to being a supplicating male.

But instead of it being a longer, fun night, it turned into a slam bam thank you mam where no one really gets what they want.

Your right. I could have caved and continued to cave to her every demand before we have sex....but that doesnt matter as long as I get sex right since thats what I want? I DID WANT sex....but once she starts to act the way she did I NO LONGER WANTED IT. I became very bored, very quickly.

OP was butthurt and took his ball(s) and went home.

Oh my god my butt still hurts...wheres the lube? Cordon I heard you are overstocked...

You are new here. 95% of the guys that first come here after being an AFC their entire lives tend to read the material and the boards and then pull a 180 completely in the other direction and be a total azzhole to women. It's as if they feel all the perceived punishment women have inflicted on them over the years needs to be paid back 100 X over. After a while though, things tend to settle down and men learn to fall somewhere in the middle of being an afc and being a complete **** to women.

Good luck.

 

[LorenzoVonM]

Let me just clarify one thing. A soft-next isn't really a punishment or teaching her a lesson. I used to make that mistake all the time and it really fvcked up some relationships. Its a very subtle re-frame and a way of being. Its more a focus on yourself than her behavior. The frame is:

I am a guy that has plenty of options. I value my happiness above all else so my energy is only invested into positive situations. If a situation is negative then i withdraw my energy, and direct it into something that is more positive.

If this is your frame then you are not angry (not that you were) about any of these power-plays. You recognize them as negative though and seek to go towards the positive. The byproduct of living the mindset is that the woman receives less attention which then makes her not want to pull it again. And the mindset extends to other areas of your life so it isn't woman specific.

My only concern OP was that if the relationship progresses, she will be more inclined to pitch sh*t because she knows that she will get attention soon after. Ask me how I know. That just means more negative situations that you have to deal with.

 

[Trump]

HB: Sooooo you want to have sex with a man then right?
Me: What
HB: Your little funny comment earlier...take it back or you dont get sex(with a huuuuuggeee grin on her face)

I think as soon as she puts a condition on sex, you have to disconnect.
She can say "go to hell Im not sleeping with you." But she can't say "do this or you don't get sex". If OP agreed, she would have also have said "that thing you did 2 days ago, also say sorry to that or you don't get sex." Where would it stop?

Granted I don't know how telling a girl you want to have sex she looks like a man is a turn on, but thats another story.

 

[old_skoolr]

Could go both ways on this one. But I agree with cordon dude. A FB is for fvcking and having fun with. If she is a fb and ur fvcking her, then what she doing in your life

What you did IMO is that you were so hell-bent of showing her you have balls that you turned a potentially great night incredibly sour. Would have it hurt your pride or ego to take it back then after you banged the sh*t out of her, turned to her and said "When i told you i took it backed.....I lied"

Maybe for one night she wanted the power, to control and fvck how she wanted, to experience being in control of you. Maybe you were in for some kinky sh*t that night and you let your ego get the best of you.

Maybe.

 

[old_skoolr]

Danger all i know is that if I'm in bed naked with a girl wanting to fvck me and all i had to say was to take back something i cant remember saying and didnt really care about, because that's what she wanted to hear. I'd say it coz:

a) if it was important I wouldve remembered it

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b) she's a fb there to fvck me crazy, so i let her....sheesh if your that worried bout your self respect spank on her the ass or something haha

 

[cordoncordon]

Danger all i know is that if I'm in bed naked with a girl wanting to fvck me and all i had to say was to take back something i cant remember saying and didnt really care about, because that's what she wanted to hear. I'd say it coz:

a) if it was important I wouldve remembered it

n

b) she's a fb there to fvck me crazy, so i let her....sheesh if your that worried bout your self respect spank on her the ass or something haha

Well said and exactly my point. These guys are acting as if their manhood is on the line here. That if they don't take back whatever it is OP said, they will lose their balls forever. They are not even acknowledging the fact that he did insult her so it wasn't like this behavior of hers came out of nowhere. And no I am not defending her behavior, she did probably over react. Just saying there was some basis for it. But that is besides the point. The main point is she was there to fawk. That is her one and only duty in this guys life. She should mean nothing to him than a hole to get off in. So to get all pissy about this? Pfffffffffffffffffff. It's just pointless and such a waste of time. And then she STILL slept in OP's bed that night? Yeah strong message being sent. IF he was that upset about it, he should have kicked her out and he sure as hell shouldn't have quickie sexed her the next morning. So he 'taught' her nothing. Just a total over reaction followed by a cave in.

But anyway, there are so many guys on here, and I see it all the time, that take this "I'm a man (I'm 40!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjF93E4LjlA you will RESPECT MY AUTHORITAh! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiHZc4KFls4 " sh1t to such an extreme that they forget what it is to just relax and have fun with a woman.

Such a waste of time, energy, and good feelings over trivial junk. I could just see one of my buddies telling me at the bar, "yeah, I had this hot girl over last night naked in my bed ready to fawk and I said something to her about looking like a man and she was kidding around telling me she wouldn't sex me until I took it back so I said screw her and rolled over and went to sleep. I really showed her huh?" I would look at him like........ http://oi42.tinypic.com/2uhmvdg.jpg

 

[cordoncordon]

There is no "worry" about self-respect. It is just that self-respect is greater than pu$$y.

The whole creation of the beta mind-set begins with giving up something for sex. That most definitely includes self-respect and giving it up just for sex. That is EXACTLY where power games begin. And if you are going to do sacrifice self-respect for just a lowly FB, why wouldn't you do it for the girl you commit to?

Do you see where this is going yet? Compromising your self-respect leads to nowhere good. And once you take the first step, you can rationalize away every step after that.





Cordon, this is not about "teaching" anyone anything. This is about inner-game. You are throwing up straw-men.

Holding on to self-respect over pu$$y is NOT getting pissy. It is adhering to your standards and to who you are. It is about not letting sex or a woman's weaponizing of it succeeding over your own willpower and self-determination.

If you can't say no to sex, in the light of losing self-respect, then sex is your master, and so too is your FB or any woman in your life. And it is exactly that which leads to giving up the frame of any relationship. IT. JUST. IS. NOT. WORTH. IT.

IF OP's self respect was so important in this case, then why didn't he kick her out that night? And why did he still fawk her the following morning? Did the expiration date on a keeping ones self respect run out? The point is OP did not do what he did because of self respect, if he was that worried about it he would have kicked her out that night. He did it because he got his feels hurt and got pissed off. That is what I keep saying. This wasn't about being a man. If anything OP acted like less of a man by acting so emo and letting her show that she got to him. This was 100% about her getting a rise out of him and OP reacting poorly. IMO. Does anyone here think James Bond would roll over and go to sleep in the same situation? Hell no. He would have made some cheeky comment right back at her, something that diffuses the situation but that also shows her who is boss, and FAWKED THE LIVING **** OUT OF HER. OR he would have kicked her out. He would not do what OP did.

 

[TheException]

IF OP's self respect was so important in this case, then why didn't he kick her out that night? And why did he still fawk her the following morning? Did the expiration date on a keeping ones self respect run out?

Because it was dealt with already. There is no "set amount" of time that you have to treat her a certain way to prove a point. THAT IS BETA AND BEING A CHUMP....if I had kicked her out or turned down sex again in the morning(when she demonstrated good behavior) THAT would be being butthurt and overreacting.

The point is OP did not do what he did because of self respect, if he was that worried about it he would have kicked her out that night. He did it because he got his feels hurt and got pissed off. That is what I keep saying. This wasn't about being a man. If anything OP acted like less of a man by acting so emo and letting her show that she got to him.

Why you insist on trying to dictate what my "feelings" were is beyond me. Ive said previously I was NOT p1ssed but bored. I did not have my feelings hurt. Danger is spot on...its inner game at its finest. I wont tolerate having to jump through hoops to get sex...that ridiculous. Once you open that pandoras box by jumping through the first one...you invite her to throw more hoops, what the he11 is so hard to understand about that. Its the same thing with apologizing....if you over apologize for everything its supplication.

 

[cupioz]

Wait a minute. If a girl comes over to your house late at night and is in your bed, naked and moments away from sex and then she suddenly pulls the withholding sex card that's small and unimportant? I think that's about as bad as it gets. It's even worse if she's fvcked you before.

She should keep her azz out of bed with you if she's not going to have sex.

He is saying that OP played it bad.
I cringed at his "what" already.

 

[cordoncordon]

There was no need to kick her out. He chose self-respect over pu$$y and went to sleep. Had she done the same thing next morning, the right move would have been to next her.

She wisely came to the conclusion she was being unreasonable and gave it up the next morning.

The disrespect was about making him jump through a hoop for sex. He said no. And the next morning the hoop was gone. When a girl makes you jump through a hoop for sex.....you don't throw a fit and kick them out. You say NO to the hoop and go about your business. That is what inner game is about.




Clearly you do not understand. Again, when a girl makes you jump through a hoop for sex.....you don't throw a fit and kick them out. You say NO to the hoop and go about your business. You do not throw a hissy fit, you make a mental note and deal with her accordingly in the future. That is what inner game is about.

If she had "got to him", then he would have unwisely kicked her out....which ironically is your suggestion! That would have been an awful move and showed that he still could not contain himself. Losing your $hit over not getting sex is the same as losing your cool and submitting to her sexual terrorist demands.

When did refusing to jump through hoops prove someone was "pissed off"? No, it proves he is not a dog and he is not a slave to his sexual desires.



In case you missed it, Exception kept on being his cool self and pushing. But she was being obstinate. She demanded homage from him in the form of damaging his ownership of the frame. She demanded to know that he needed sex badly enough that he would submit to her sexual terrorism. He refused, exactly as he should have.

Submitting to her demands is showing her that SHE is the boss. Exception did precisely the right thing. He cooly said "no" to her demand for tribute in exchange for sex. He then fvked her in the morning. Time will tell if she redeems herself or if she earned herself a demotion on the FB rotation.

It is obvious that we just are going to disagree on this and no matter what the other says, we believe what we believe. You believe that maintaining a mans self respect is crucial above all else and that women for the most part are evil manipulative creatures who need to be scolded like children when they misbehave. I believe it is important to maintain ones self respect as well, however I have a much more relaxed approach about what is worth getting in a hissy fit over in maintaining that self respect and what isn't, and also how one deals with women when one feels they are not behaving up to what we want in a girl.

In my eyes you are going to miss out on a lot of good times and memories, not to mention bring in a lot of self induced stress into your life, all because you have this strict man code that you live by. Life isn't that serious man. Relax and enjoy it.

But....to each his own.

 

[youngmack]

I agree with Danger in regards to you should never place sex over self respect, but I will have to agree with cordon. IMO, it was not that serious. I don't think it was a direct shot to your self respect. I think she was just being playful and teasing you.

That's like if she got dressed and skated out ya door because you implied she was a man or whatever. I am sure you would think she takes things way too serious and she cant take a joke, or she is isn't down to earth or something.

In this case I don't see how choosing self respect over sex applies,because I don't see how she blatantly disrespected you. I mean everyone has their own definition and threshold of disrespect so I guess her being teasing and playful to you was disrespectful to you

 

[cordoncordon]

Who said anything about "evil and manipulative"? Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

Unlike you, I believe self-respect and inner-game is FAR more important than one night of getting laid.

THAT is the difference between you and I. Don't try and paint it any other way, because that is exactly what this situation represents.





Not giving in to a girl's demands in order to obtain sex is NOT a hissy fit. The hissy-fit would be kicking her out, as YOU suggested.





My life is awesome with a lot of happiness and continuous adventures. And I love the fact that I can hold my head up high and know that I never bent my knee for some sex. It comes to me often because women WANT sex with men they can't break.

In my opinion, you think sex is more important than self-respect. And it is the tool which women will use to slowly gain control of you. But if that is what makes you happy, good luck to you.

Well you know you over exaggerated everything I said just to try and make a point haha. For example I never said placing sex over a mans self respect is more important. That is just being ridiculous. I just said you are taking things too seriously. But anyway good luck to you as well with your self respect goals in 2013.

I agree with Danger in regards to you should never place sex over self respect, but I will have to agree with cordon. IMO, it was not that serious. I don't think it was a direct shot to your self respect. I think she was just being playful and teasing you.

That's like if she got dressed and skated out ya door because you implied she was a man or whatever. I am sure you would think she takes things way too serious and she cant take a joke, or she is isn't down to earth or something.

In this case I don't see how choosing self respect over sex applies,because I don't see how she blatantly disrespected you. I mean everyone has their own definition and threshold of disrespect so I guess her being teasing and playful to you was disrespectful to you

Nailed it.

 

[ludis]

"Light matters should be dealt with seriously. Serious matters should be dealt with lightly." - Hagakure (Book of the Samurai)

I'm a firm believer that the devil is in the details.

There are too many levels through which women attempt power grabs; from the most subtle to the most blatant one, a power grab is a power grab and it should be treated as such.

Cordoncordon and the likeminded seem to be oblivious of the fact that the relations between the sexes in the Western World are an all out war at the moment.
Women's most preffered weapon is deceitful use of their vaginas.

Any con artist will tell you that a smiling and playful face isn't always what it seems. In fact, it can hide exploitative, malicious or sometimes murderous intent. The victim must be made to feel at ease. When defences are down, the aggressor is free to advance with whatever scheme is at play.
What better opportunity for that, than when both are naked and relaxed?

This was proved when she was content with sleeping it off.
In other words, her power play was more important than having sex with OP.
You can try to sprinkle sugar on sh!t, but that won't make it candy.

 

[foreverAFC]

im defnitely no DJ or ladies man, but in my humble opinion i would have just said "ok i take it back" and then i would have ravaged her hard, fine make her think she has some power for a quick second but then you get to pound her as hard as you want so who really wins ?

 

[The_411]

Cordoncordon,

Why are you characterizing TheException's behavior as having a hissy fit. There seemed nothing hissy about it. The girl was **** testing him and he ignored the test and reframed her. Clearly she cared more about sex than he did and in doing so he ultimately was able to have sex and not supplicate and did not passively approve her behavior.

There is more than one way to address the situation, and perhaps some would have handled it differently, but it appears that his response was perfectly congruent with his persona.

It's not about punishing as it is about controlling frame/ doing things on your terms.

Having sex 3 hours later was on his terms and did not result from him pandering, pleading, kissing ass. He exhibited that he was immune to outcome dependency and she demonstrated that she wasn't. End of full stop.

 

[cordoncordon]

That is exactly what you said when you claim it is better to submit to her demands so you can get sex.




So, if she said "tell me you want to fvk a man", you would say that, just to get sex.

What's next? Suck this strap-on and then I'll let you have sex with me?

And Good luck to you with your "submission for sex" crusade. I truly hope that works out for you.

That is BS and you know. I said IF IF IF this was your wife, long term GF, or fiance, then yes if she withholds sex then do what you have to do to keep her in line. But since this was a casual fb/plate who's only purpose in life is to fawk you? Who is nothing to you but a hole? Who you are just supposed to HAVE FUN WITH AND KEEP THE DRAMA OUT? Then in that case you play along, keep things light, casual, and fun. You playfully take back what was said while at the same time teasing her about it and as long as you can keep the frame going, you both get to fawk and go home happy. I never said to give in to whatever she wants or demands, that is being deceitful in what was said Danger and you know that.

 

[old_skoolr]

The real question is "Was Op's self-respect at stake if had given in?"

I say no, based on the fact that theres no emotional attachment to the girl at all. Shes not his gf or fiance etc. Just a fb, thats all. After she started teasing him, OP IMO then began to get emotionally involved, after he had felt that the girl was threatening his self-respect.

No sex is worth your self-respect. <--- this is 100% true, but its all about context and situation

would you trade your self-respect for sex right now?

Hell no, but if theres a girl naked grinding on my d!ck then i fvck her. Especially if shes a fb whos only job in my life is to fvck me. My self-respect isnt at risk because Im not attached to her in any way emotionally. If she tries to play power games then she should be reminded that she can be replaced. After all you are DJ's and have always have girl who can replace her.

Im just saying there were more simple ways in which Op couldve handled it. But too each his own, I know where not going to agree on it.

THEEXCEPTION ----you still seeing this chick?