FR: it's all about the kino+persistence

[juanstepatatime]

Background: I'm out with a HB6or7. Maybe an 8 in the dark. I don't really know what the numbers mean anyway... Our first date was OK, but I wussed out and didn't go for a kiss.

OK, 2nd date. Dinner. Having a hard time with the rapport - and not really seeing a lot of IOIs except that she's going along with whatever I say we should do. Afterwards, we rent some movies and head to my place. At this point wondering how far I'm gonna get with this girl - I'm thinking of nexting her if nothing she doesn't give me any help here

So me, her on my couch watching movies in the dark. She's got totally closed posture - crossed legs, folded arms. I figure what the hell, make the ho say no right? So I reach over for the ole arm around the shoulders. She doesn't lean in, but she doesn't move away either. I figure that's good enough. There's no conversation since we're watching a movie so it's all kino.

Arm around the shoulders is good for pulling her in some, and also for touching/rubbing the outside of the far arm. I start with just resting my arm/hand, then fingers, then slowly into gently stroking. Maybe 30 mins in to this, I'm feeling a bit more adventurous, so I start in on her neck (OK) then chest, where she stops me and moves my hand away. Doh.

I back off and move to her legs for a bit - upper quad area, then inside the thigh and up high and inside, where she stops me again. Doh.

So, we're back in to the arm thing, but this time she doesn't stop me when i start stroking her boobs. Bingo. Maybe 30 mins after this, I'm getting no resistance at all touching anything on her, but we're still pretending to watch the movie.

Fast forward to the movie end, I've been fondling just about everything on her above her clothes for a while now. I put the TV on mute, and climb on top and we're making out in style now. Off comes a sweater, then a t-shirt but when I hit the bra, she stops me cold. Doh.

What to do. Off comes my top, and I start stroking what's exposed of her, and since her bra's not coming off, I pull her nips out of the cups and start sucking on em. Well before I know it she takes the bra off herself. Yay. I reach to undo her belt and she stops me. Doh.

I'm feeling pretty good about this game now. So I turn her around and start feeling her ass up and I reach around into the front of her jeans with them still on. I remember one of JT's FR's so I just drop my own pants, and before I know it she's in her panties herself.

I'm sure we all know where this is going. She ends up taking off her own panties after stopping me from doing so, and the rest is history.

Oh yeah, the IOIs. So we're laying in bed afterwards and she FINALLY starts to kino me outside of actually making out, and give me IOIs of the kind I was looking for to guage interest to begin with.

Lessons learned: It's all about kino. And kino. And more kino. SE Asian food is tasty and cheap.

 

[CharmaLeo]

two thumbs up!

 

[Panda 2000]

Originally posted by CharmaLeo
two thumbs up!

 

[cannibustacap]

Awesome man... I need to get off my nervous ass and start Kino on my own girl in question.


She herself is rather uptight... but whatever. Life is an experiment.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Fvcking 5 stars for taking a friggin chance, experimenting, adapting, persisting, and beating that damn LMR!! You rock dude!

Did you ever say anything to her during the last minute resistance or was it all just physical? You're absolutely right that kino gets 'em warmed up. I've had similar experiences using kino to go from closed BL and awkwardness to full on nakedness, except that I wasn't able to overcome the LMR in the end like you.

There needs to be way more FRs and way less long amateur theoretical posts, rants, threads about tiny dumb stuff, and retarded questions. Even crash and burn FRs are better than that schlock. This was not a rant, it was a public service announcement.

 

[Engetsu]

Originally posted by juanstepatatime
Background: I'm out with a HB6or7. Maybe an 8 in the dark.

LOL. A 9 when drunk, a 10 when high?

Oh and GJ on the lay!

 

[saki]

Thats was great man!

 

[Desdinova]

Good stuff, dude! You're learning from experience!

Our first date was OK, but I wussed out and didn't go for a kiss.

What I usually do on a first date is work on attracting them so much that I don't have to work on the first kiss. I automatically get it. Kino is incredibly powerful stuff, and I encourage you to start it as early as possible when you're dating a new woman. Next time you have a first date, use kino ASAP. It'll speed up their comfort level with you.

I think someone else mentioned it, but she was probably a bit resistant because it was a second date. For next time, work on making the second date feel like weeks of dating you. Kino and c/f are excellent to make a woman feel comfortable around you.

 

[Alpine]

Originally posted by CharmaLeo
two thumbs up!

No, I don't think that would work, too forward.

 

[sapphire]

That was a really inspiring post for those who get discouraged too easily.

I too am guilty of having given up when a girl seemed a little uptight or put out a little resistance. I agree that it is a good IOI when a girl agrees to be alone in your house regardless of her negative body language. The latter only means that she needs a little warming up and before you know it she will be all over you.

 

[juanstepatatime]

Originally posted by AlwaysExcel
Did you ever say anything to her during the last minute resistance or was it all just physical?

All physical + some noises (grunting etc) but I didn't say anything.

Originally posted by Desdinova
What I usually do on a first date is work on attracting them so much that I don't have to work on the first kiss. I automatically get it. Kino is incredibly powerful stuff, and I encourage you to start it as early as possible when you're dating a new woman. Next time you have a first date, use kino ASAP. It'll speed up their comfort level with you.

Definitely. Kino is just as important as verbal communication, if not more so IMO. Good kino is like establishing physical rapport I think.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Originally posted by juanstepatatime
Good kino is like establishing physical rapport I think.

Quote of the day! Nice.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Originally posted by dementia
nice one bro. Shows she aint a slvt but also not fully prudish.

I'd be careful about buying into the whole slut vs. good girl dichotomy. That's the worldview perpetrated by society and it doesn't really hold up to reality. I think a girl's sluttiness and prudishness are relative to various things like how turned on she is, how much of a connection and trust she feels, how much rationalization you or she comes up with for having sex, whether she can get away with it without anyone finding out, etc.

Maybe I misunderstood you though Dementia. Were you saying that she was trying to communicate through her resistance-then-sex that she is not a slut but also not prudish? I'd agree on that. Like a little strategy against being disrespected as a slut.