FR: In Da Club

[MVPlaya]

-| IN DA CLUB |-



OK, I've been bitching a little too much lately about KJs (Keyboard Jockeys) so I feel that I owe it to the community to post a little FR:

The Stage:

Read the title...

The Get-Up:

Black pants, a great-looking green short-sleeve shirt w/ buttons, subtle gold chain necklace, Raybans, dress shoes, my watch, my good looks and charm, and three equally alpha wings.

The Game:

We get to the club @ 10pm, as usual, we have to wait 40 minutes in line so we sit there and just joke with eachother, usually we'd chat up some girls if they're near us in line but in front of us are a couple really fat guys and behind us some ****y prep-school types, you know, guys in their mid20's who think they're brilliant and condescend all the time, it was fun watching them C&B every time they mustered up the courage to approach in the club... anyway... I digress.

We get in the club so we start alpha'ing and busting on eachother, we pause for a moment, holding up the people behind us, all the while flashing huge confident smiles so that all the girls who are checking us out see us and know how to size us up. We make look around the club for a second and then quickly break off into two squads (2 wings = 1 squad). S1 (squad#1) sets up a base on one end of the club so that S2, me and ItalianWing, have a place to fall back on. Its a general rule with us that we always set up a base so that we can have a place to kick back, the guys who base have to make sure its a friendly environment. Anyway, its about 10:40 and ItalianWing and I move up the dancefloor, not looking to dance. We start "collecting hugs," we go around greeting the girls we know, we give them hugs, exchange a few quick words, half of them then intro us to their entourage. We each collected about 6 hugs, joked around a little, and then met up with S1 at our base. ItalianWing went and fetched us some drinks but took his time because he started talking to this one girl at the bar. He comes back, without a #... I then decide to try Field-Test some advice I got here on SoSuave

We finish our drinks and ItalianAlpha and I both get on the floor, split up, and open single HBs (HBs who are alone) who give us AI with the following script (courtesy of Player_Supreme):
DJ: What's your name?
HB: I'm HB
DJ: HB, when a good song comes up, I want you to come and dance with me, okay?
I then leave and open another girl who is out of first HBs sight with the same script, I opened 3 girls with this script and went back to my base. S1 introduce me to a couple guys and girls so I start talking to them and I wait there to base-guard while S1 and ItalianWing are gone. In 10 minutes ItalianWing takes over the base. I take off and go to the bar. After a couple minutes a 2set moves next to me (HB7, HB8) and after about a minute I open them with "Did you just grab my ass?" They then joke back and start shifting blame onto each other and I joke more, saying lines like "You know, I have feelings you know? I'm not just some piece of meat." HB8 (5'7, brown hair, sexy tan) says, "I'm sorry, it was just so tempting, I couldn't help myself..." I single her out and start kinoing her and get plenty of kino back. Her friend fades herself into the background and starts talking to someone else, I joke w/ HB8 for another minute, I figure she's a senior at Academy of Art SF. So I get her a napkin + my pen & say "do something creative." She gets a little flustered, laughs, and says "like what?" I say "hint: start with the first 3 digits" (thx Mystery). She then smiles and starts writing her #, then, inspiration hits (or courage) and I decide to try one of Fingers lines, always wanted to do this, but never thought an opportunity was good enough. When she finishes writing her # and she tries to give me the napkin, I look at it, not moving, and say, "not creative enough."
"Okay......" she says, a little confused.
"Try and decorate it" and I hint at her lips.
She then gives me a sexual look, kisses under the # and says "voila," handing me the napkin. She gives me a hug and leaves. After a minute I spot one girl that I opened earlier with the P_S Script and start dancing with her for a couple songs, I then try and dance with HBJLo (not the real J.Lo) but she blocks so I dance with a few girls. I then take off and decide to collect one another of my openers and find her (HB7) with a friend, HB8. I want to move onto the HB8 but when I dance with her I get anti-AIs, I think because her friend was flashing IOI's at me like it was her job. Anyway, I decide to eject after a song. I go back to my base.

My 3 amigos are all there. We sit there and joke. After 15 minutes this 6-set comes in (HB9Exotic, HB9White, HB7, AMOG#1, AMOG#2, SycophantGuy) and they base themselves at a couple couches. I quickly had my eye on HB9Exotic and wanted to approach but I knew I'd get shot down. So I'm thinking of Mystery's Group Theory but somehow I'm hesitating with the MM. I decide to start dancing with a few HBs in view of the HB9s just to add to my social proof. Then the HB7 that I ejected from earlier comes up and starts dancing with me and IOIs me, great for Social Proof. After a while I see two twins (HB7, try and guess what the second one was...), I think of something clever to say and open:
MVP: "Am I drunk or is there two of you?"
TWIN: "Maybe both..."
MVP:"How about the both of you?"
TWIN: "No... but if you want us to be, there's a bar over there..." [At this point I almost... I repeat... I almost... almost got them the drink, the thought of twins, never mind... its a cardinal sin to buy Attention Whores drinks.]
MVP: "Will water do?"
TWIN: "Depends on what you want out of it" [Despite the sexual innuendo's this HB strikes me as the type who plays games with men so I needed to tone her down with a neghit]:
MVP: "You're a great girl and all... but I just think your sister is so much prettier." [Okay - can you think of any good TWINs neghits? I sure can't, don't exactly have much need for them...]

The girls laugh a little, the sister gives of a shy vibe. I sit there and talk a little more, and then leave... I didn't see it going anywhere plust flirting with two siblings can really trigger an Aware State. The shy twin hug-closes me so I get another Social Proof point. I figure one more and I'm good to go. I see ItalianWing with a 3set so I join in and we start busting on eachother in front of the HBs (young college students, HB7's): they love it, the C&F was rolling, we (me and my wing) actually talked quite a bit, unlike normally when we let the chicks talk, but the girls ate it up completely. About 6 or 7 minutes later we say that we have to get back to our friends and they ask us for our numbers, "how about a trade" my wing says... so we exchanged numbers, we got real high IL from them. We see S1 with a 2 set but we stay out of it, we kind of have this rule that the squads stay separated for the most part, but we mix up squads every night. Anyway, ItalianWing spots two AMOGs heading for S1's 2set so ItalianWing bumps into them and starts talking to them, telling them how cool they are, just trying to keep them occupied so that S1 can close the set. After a minute the AMOGs try and head for the set but they see that S1 is getting mad IL from the girls and the AMOGs decide to find new targets.

 

[MVPlaya]

I then decide to head for the 6-set, to work on my Group Theory skills (first time on a set larger than 4, second time on any group at all). I immediately open one of the AMOGs by high-fiving him, saying "wassup man, I've seen you at Cal before" (hadn't, but I saw a Cal keychain on him). He starts talking so I sit down there and I joke with him, his friend joins in and after 2 minutes these guys are treating me like I'm a buddy, they were both disarmed. The SycophantGuy just sat there and symped, I didn't know if I needed to disarm him, he seemed pretty dumb (socially) and no one paid attention to him anyway. The AMOGs introduce me to the whole set, including HBExotic, Carina. I neg her off the bat "nice nails... are they real?" She says they aren't (thats my standard NEG-hit, you'd be surprised how many women have fake nails). I then ignore her, I say hi to the rest and start joking with the AMOGs. I then decide to talk to SycophantGuy because he's next to the HB7 so I talk to him, I figure out he's got the same major as me, they're all college kids, most of em go to Cal, the rest SF State. Once SycophantGuy is disarmed I started talking to HB7, all the while not flirting but definitely using a little C&F. She seemed nice so at this point I had 4 out of the 5 others disarmed so I only needed to disarm HB9White before Carina was "safe." I start to talk to HB9White but she seemed a little cold and up in her own nose powdered world. Those of you who do MM, do you Neg an obstacle if she's unreceptive? I start joking with the AMOGs again and I become the center of attention, Carina is now getting a little jealous and is tugging me a little for attention. I respond to her but focus on the rest. I was a little confused at this point because HBWhite could still ****block on me but Carina was giving me AI, so I tried to joke with HBWhite to disarm her but I didn't want to come off as if I was flirting with her. She slowly starts talking and I figure out she's a grad student @ SFState, since she's the oldest one there it slowly begins to make sense to me why she's "high and mighty" towards all of us. Carina, however, is a junior at SF so thats cool. I joke a little with Carina & HBWhite but then get back to the rest and, after having spent a total of about 20 minutes there, eject. NOTE: I think I should've ejected much sooner. Later Carina and HBWhite start dancing but for some reason I can't approach them, HBWhite kind of had me intimidated (I don't know why). I start dancing near them with a couple of girls I collected hugs from. Carina started trying to get my attention so I danced with her but HBWhite got in between and start semi-****blocking on me (not a full out ****block, but she was still an obstacle). I ejected, hoping to find Carina singled out later. I open a 2set with ItalianWing, no number, we eject. After a while I see that the 6set is about to leave and Carina is alone, but she's on the other end of the room going to the door, we make eyecontact, I'm wondering what to do: I don't want to walk across the room to talk to her because I'd have to move quick and I'd be real obvious, and if I wave for her to come over I ruin the "hard to catch" vibe I had earlier; regardless of whatever I could've done, HeartlessBitchWhite suddenly waves for Carina to come and so she leaves. I'm a little pissed about that one. But I think all in all I had a decent night, coming out with 2 #s.


Sticking Points:

• I definitely need to get better at Group Theory. I actually have a few questions, answer if you can:
  
  1. If your target starts giving you AI but you still haven't disarmed an obstacle, should you rebuff the target until you're done disarming?
  2. What do you do if an obstacle seems cold?
  3. Do you NEG obstacles?
  4. What do you do when you find you have to focus a lot on an obstacle but don't want to be interpreted as hitting on her?
  5. What are some good Group Theory openers?
• I need to work on controlling my Aware State.
• I'm not dropping as many NEGs as I should.
• I need better dancefloor game.

Wow, that was one long-ass post, and my 1000th (& 1001th) post too. Hope you guys get through that. Give me your advice!

Cheers,
MVP

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

All this group theory stuff seems like 'analysis paralysis' - too much thinking involved. You infiltrated the group well, but I would have particularly moved my convo to the hb9 chick - and not wasted too much time there once I've gauged her interest level, tnen ask for number to talk to her another day without music blasting in our ears.

Are you happy with the two chick's numbers that you got? I always go for the hottest babe I see. and if rejected then I go from there. I'll be disappointed if I got a HB7's number, but didn't have the balls to ask for HB9's!

I have more posts than you - I win! YIPPEEEEEEE!!!!

 

[Vigilante7]

Nice work, a lot of u faggets are reallu pathetic for just keyboard-jockeying, im ina new skool, have major exams so I cant get out….but this proves to yall that u need to get out

@ PuertoRican_Lover……your 41, not 11, you need to get a job

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

You are right vigilante I apologize If I stepped out of bounds, and I'm sorry my high post count displeases you, I shall take heed to your advice and I shall never post again!

Listen kid, I have 30 years of experience with women and you have 0 (zero) - that's damn near twice as long as you have been on this earth! I had so many women, I barely have any sperm left...I'm trying to save some for my future wife so that she could bear me some offspring.

You should value me and make use of my knowledge while I am still at your disposal and not chastise me for doing so.

Didn't you read the thread posted by AMF titled, PuertoRican_Lover's anniversary! in the 'anything else' forum - he was honoring me for the very exact thing that annoys you! I explained their that I am currently in an insane asylum, and they say I shall be released soon once I have proven to them that my judgment is better; hence, they are reviewing my writings that I post here to see if I am correct in my judgment and thinking!

They have given me encouraging words thus far, but they must see more evidence that my logic is not flawed...this explains the abundance of my insightful posts in recent months. At first, advice-giving was a chore, but now I see it as entertaining and quite rewarding to help younger minds! I am on a mission!!! Please don't disturb me!!!

Sorry MVPlaya for interrupting your thread, I just had to set the record straight.

P.S. I will get a job when I am released from this crazy house. I'm thinking I'll obtain employment in something having to do with the psychological field of work, so that I can help the mentally challenged

 

[Jake Steed]

MVPlaya,

Nice, detailed field report. You're getting out there and putting your ass on the line, which is more than most people can say for themselves. Good for you. BTW, I'm from the Bay Area--been here over 3 years, but just accepted a job offer and will be leaving for NY soon. What club were you in?


"If your target starts giving you AI but you still haven't disarmed an obstacle, should you rebuff the target until you're done disarming?"


ENGLISH, MOTHERFVCKER--DO YOU SPEAK IT??! Ha ha ha. Relax. Your fr looks like a fvcking military report. THIS IS GOING OUT, NOT THE MILITARY. Remember, you are supposed to be having fun out there.

I realize for inexperienced kids who need structure, this **** helps you get over your insecurities, but the sooner you drop all this AI, scripts, IOI, bullshyt jargon and relax, you will have infinately more success with women. Trust me, they can sense this stiffness, this stressful over-analytical state you are in. Plus, you come across as a big dork. "Squads"? "Bases"? Give me a break. That's kiddy stuff.

WOMEN RUN ON EMOTION. THEY ARE NOT COMPUTERS. As soon as you memorize that and drop all this bullshyt, you will do much better. Try to connect with women on an emotional level. Really observe them and try to understand what's going on on a deepr level. Stop viewing them as plastic "targets", or you will NEVER figure out what's going on in their heads--which is the most important part you need to understand about them. Connect with the woman's mind and you will soon be connecting in bed.

"What do you do if an obstacle seems cold?"

Again, stop viewing the c0ckblocker as an "obstacle" and see her as a human being--a human being who is in your way of scoring with the girl you want. Be intuitive, get into her head and figure out WHY she's CHOOSING to be an "obstacle". From there, as soon as you truly understand her motivations, you will know what to do.

"Do you NEG obstacles?"

Again, stop thinking like a computer.

"What are some good Group Theory openers?"

Hi, *smile* What's up?

That's the best one ever. Anything prefabricated WILL come across as fake and dorky as hell. Anyone who thinks they have the perfect group "opener" is seducing only one person--themself. Do you honestly think the same opener is going to work on a group of Long Beach Crips as it will on a group of Cal Engineering students? They're people, not robots. Use your head.

I need to work on controlling my Aware State.

I'm not dropping as many NEGs as I should.

I need better dancefloor game."--MVplaya

You are killing your game by OVERANALYZING. This is the sign of an insecure person. Stop reading whatever bullshyt made you think and type like this and start using your own brain for yourself. It's a lot simpler than you think.

Good luck,

Jake

 

[Vigilante7]

@ PuertoRican_Lover,,,,

wow chill out, i forgot to add " " at the end of my comment

damn, RELAX!! I dont want no i-beef

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

MVPlaya,

Didn't you state that you were a member of 4 websites on seduction? From your seduction verbage, it seems as though you study a lot of technique. Too much thinking causes inaction and wastes time!

Quit thinking that every time you pursue a chick you have to use a technique or a stratagem that you've learned at a seduction site to be successful. As Jake stated use your human-ness to connect with people and go with the situation as it develops and be tuned and focused on the girl's responses and reactions (not your inner thoughts) to get a sense of what will be the best action to take, at that time.

Don't be so methodical in your thinking and behavior - it is not an 8 step program to follow!

You have the courage to approach and initiate convo and to number-close, so why all the dramatics in the meantime?

I know you wrote your field report in the language that you did because it was too share with us the techniques you used, and you don't talk like this with your friends, do you? So I imagine you weren't thinking like this moment to moment, were you?

You were successful for the night, so props to that.

I just wanted to comment because I see a lot of DJ's who overwhelm them-selves with 'techniques', at the peril of not involving enough of their genuine human nature in the process. When people do too much thinking on how they are going to behave and what they are going to say, this usually means they are trying to be something or someone that they are not.

I'm not saying that you are - I'm speaking in general terms.

 

[white_hype]

goood post, we neeed more stuff like this

i dont agree with jake steeds advice on to stop thinking like a computer, im pretty sure you dont think that way in your mind but when you are writing up a FR the next day it helps to analyze it like that so others can help/you can see your strengths/weaknesses, etc

for the 2 hb9's once i saw they were jsut dancing by themselves id grab a wingman to take out hb9 white so you can isolate hb9exotic
----that or tell hb9 white "can i steal your friend for 2 mins?" and then drag her off and isolate

BIG MISTAKE letting hb9exotic go... i know it feels like sh1t but ive learned from experience you cant realy count on seeing the girl again after you talk to her, no matter the interest level

you need to isolate, get number, eject

learn from it, way to go overall

 

[MVPlaya]

Jake Steed

• Nice, detailed field report. You're getting out there and putting your ass on the line, which is more than most people can say for themselves. Good for you. BTW, I'm from the Bay Area--been here over 3 years, but just accepted a job offer and will be leaving for NY soon. What club were you in?
  
  That cool. I've been here for about 4 years, but I'm 18 so I have less nightlife experience than you. This was actually about a week ago, I think it was Ruby Skye.
  
• ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER--DO YOU SPEAK IT??! Ha ha ha. Relax. Your fr looks like a fucking military report. THIS IS GOING OUT, NOT THE MILITARY. Remember, you are supposed to be having fun out there.
  
  I know, I know. Jake, you ever on mASF? I'm using all their terminology, since there is so much hype surrounding Mystery and all the field-workshops he does I thought I'd try out his stuff. I usually just go in there to have fun and dance, but I figured I'd try out some techniques so this is a MM (Mystery Method) FR.
  
• I realize for inexperienced kids who need structure, this shit helps you get over your insecurities, but the sooner you drop all this AI, scripts, IOI, bullshit jargon and relax, you will have infinately more success with women. Trust me, they can sense this stiffness, this stressful over-analytical state you are in. Plus, you come across as a big dork. "Squads"? "Bases"? Give me a break. That's kiddy stuff.
  
  Have you tried the Mystery Method? You are right, I do use this structure because I am not completely comfortable opening a 6-set. But the idea behind it makes sense to me. According to Mystery, if you see a fine HB surrounded by friends and others and you approach her, you are very likely to get rejected. But if you get in there and socialize with the others, people will start accepting you and this way you get their approval. You first want to "disarm" the Alpha Males in the pack, then move to the lowest HB and work your way up, this way, everyone approves of you and the HB no longer has her shield up. Basing is a term I hear a lot on mASF, squads I thought I'd through in for fun.
  
• WOMEN RUN ON EMOTION. THEY ARE NOT COMPUTERS. As soon as you memorize that and drop all this bullshit, you will do much better. Try to connect with women on an emotional level. Really observe them and try to understand what's going on on a deepr level. Stop viewing them as plastic "targets", or you will NEVER figure out what's going on in their heads--which is the most important part you need to understand about them. Connect with the woman's mind and you will soon be connecting in bed.
  
  So true. The thing is, I can connect with women fine at parties or during street PUs, but when you're at the club (this is my experience) you need to PU differently. I wasn't viewing the HB as a "target," but since this post was originally written for mASF I used all their terminology.
  
• Again, stop viewing the c0ckblocker as an "obstacle" and see her as a human being--a human being who is in your way of scoring with the girl you want. Be intuitive, get into her head and figure out WHY she's CHOOSING to be an "obstacle". From there, as soon as you truly understand her motivations, you will know what to do.
  
  Thats what I'm trying to do, a little hard though.
  
• "Do you NEG obstacles?"
  Again, stop thinking like a computer.
  
  Okay, you got me, I was way overanalyzing here, but I just hear so much raving about the Mystery Method that I felt the need to try it out.
  
• Hi, *smile* What's up?
  
  That's the best one ever. Anything prefabricated WILL come across as fake and dorky as hell. Anyone who thinks they have the perfect group "opener" is seducing only one person--themself. Do you honestly think the same opener is going to work on a group of Long Beach Crips as it will on a group of Cal Engineering students? They're people, not robots. Use your head.
  
  I use the Universal Opener, Hi, all the time. Its just that when I open a large set Hi doesn't seem as effective and personable, thats why I used a contextual opener (the "I've seen you at Cal" thing).
  
• You are killing your game by OVERANALYZING. This is the sign of an insecure person. Stop reading whatever bullshyt made you think and type like this and start using your own brain for yourself. It's a lot simpler than you think.
  
  You're right. I usually don't overanalyze but I usually never open large sets so I wanted to learn that. Usually I'm MUCH more natural, but I really wanted to bang that 9 so I tried out something new.
  
• Good luck,
  
  Jake
  
  Hey, thanks a lot man, I appreciate the criticism.

PuertoRican_Lover

• Are you happy with the two chick's numbers that you got? I always go for the hottest babe I see. and if rejected then I go from there. I'll be disappointed if I got a HB7's number, but didn't have the balls to ask for HB9's!
  
  I didn't get any HB7 #'s, I got 2 8's and one left ME a message. I think this night will pay off.
  
• Didn't you state that you were a member of 4 websites on seduction? From your seduction verbage, it seems as though you study a lot of technique. Too much thinking causes inaction and wastes time!
  
  About Analysis Paralysis (love that term), I'm a member of just two, SoSuave and mASF. I'm just trying to work these techniques to see which ones I can internalize and which ones simply do not flow with my game. I'm just going to field-test it and field-test it until I get better or decide to drop it, I simply want the advice so people who use the same techniques can give me a nudge in the right direction.

white_hype

• i dont agree with jake steeds advice on to stop thinking like a computer, im pretty sure you dont think that way in your mind but when you are writing up a FR the next day it helps to analyze it like that so others can help/you can see your strengths/weaknesses, etc
  
  Yeah, its amazing how overanalyzed FRs sound when you post them out and insert this verbiage.

Thx for the comments so far!
MV

 

[Porky]

Posts like this are the reason that come to this site.

Could you explain some of your terminology? Namely...
IOI
AI

 

[PlayerSupreme]

"DJ: HB, when a good song comes up, I want you to come and dance with me, okay?"

Hmmm this sounds very very familiar...lol.

I didn't read da whole post cause I saw this and wanted ta drop ya a note...good lookin out family...keep usin that shyt.

 

[legolas]

my worst fears realized

Man, I dreaded the day when this forum would become another ASF, mASF or Cliff's List. I got away from those places precisely because of so much friggin' theory like it's a f*cking algorithm and a war strategy.

Dammn dawg!!

By the way the term flied report IS a military term so this is nothing less of that

It's good to see guys actually going out and approaching girls. But setting up base, group theory, scripts,..... ouch, my mind hurts.....

 

[FreeStyleZ]

Hey MVPlaya, nice FR.

You didnt say what the responses of the girls were when you went to them and said "When a good song comes on, i want you to dance with me".

And im still wondering, is this JAKE STEED, the REAL jake steed.. or just the name.

If you think thats a dumb question, then plz explain how im supposed to know, thanks.

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
'analysis paralysis'

You just summed up this entire forum in one!!

 

[MVPlaya]

Porky

• Posts like this are the reason that come to this site.
  Could you explain some of your terminology? Namely...
  IOI
  AI
  
  Me too, thats why I feel we need an FR Forum (go to my post under Suggestions & Feedback to chime in on this!!!).
  Anyway:
  IOI : Indicator of Interest
  AI : Approach Invitiation

PlayerSupreme

• "DJ: HB, when a good song comes up, I want you to come and dance with me, okay?"
  Hmmm this sounds very very familiar...lol.
  I didn't read da whole post cause I saw this and wanted ta drop ya a note...good lookin out family...keep usin that shyt
  
  I'm curious, last I checked it was Player_Supreme (with an underscore) not PlayerSupreme (without underscore). Anyway, assuming you are the real P_S or, incase P_S has the same question, that line is solid and I reference where it comes from (check for the italics):
  

  Originally posted by MVPlaya
  We finish our drinks and ItalianAlpha and I both get on the floor, split up, and open single HBs (HBs who are alone) who give us AI with the following script (courtesy of Player_Supreme):

  I love that script, its a permanent weapon in my arsenal now.

Legolas

• Man, I dreaded the day when this forum would become another ASF, mASF or Cliff's List. I got away from those places precisely because of so much friggin' theory like it's a f*cking algorithm and a war strategy.
  Dammn dawg!!
  By the way the term flied report IS a military term so this is nothing less of that
  It's good to see guys actually going out and approaching girls. But setting up base, group theory, scripts,..... ouch, my mind hurts.....
  
  LOL, yeah, when I first got on mASF I was overwhelmed with all the theory. But after reading the entire TokyoPUA archive and the first 300 Mystery posts stuff really made sense. Btw., what is Cliff's List?

FreeStyleZ

• Hey MVPlaya, nice FR.
  You didnt say what the responses of the girls were when you went to them and said "When a good song comes on, i want you to dance with me".
  
  It was pretty much the same, "definitely," "sure," "I'd love to"... all said enthusiastically (Note: I did, however, only use this script on chicks who gave me AIs).
  
• And im still wondering, is this JAKE STEED, the REAL jake steed.. or just the name.
  If you think thats a dumb question, then plz explain how im supposed to know, thanks.
  
  Not a dumb question, you could try and figure it out by checking his Post History. Thats what I did. Yes, it is The real Jake Steed.

CLOONEY

• 'analysis paralysis'
  You just summed up this entire forum in one!!
  
  Sadly, yeah...

 

[Daani]

MVPlaya

please don't let your game change because of the comments from keyboard jockeys who will flame people like Papa...

use opinion openers and stack them, Style's "Jealous Girlfriend" is great

 

[MVPlaya]

Originally posted by Daani
MVPlaya

please don't let your game change because of the comments from keyboard jockeys who will flame people like Papa...

use opinion openers and stack them, Style's "Jealous Girlfriend" is great

Opinion openers are cool but you need to throw some C&F in em otherwise they grow stale. What is the "Jealous Girlfriend" pattern?

 

[uniassign]

If your target starts giving you AI but you still haven't disarmed an obstacle, should you rebuff the target until you're done disarming?

If you are getting AIs, then there is no need to worry about the obstacle. Just acknowledge the obstacle, and include her in your early attract game.

Remember, if you are gaming a 2-set, you cannot isolate the target, so you have to run your entire game with the obstacle. If you are gaming a 3+ set, then you can isolate.

What you will find is that if the target is into you, her friends won't c0ckblock. Sometimes if her friends like the way you come across, they will even help you isolate the target.

What do you do if an obstacle seems cold?

Just keep on rolling through. What you will find is that initially (especially when you first start), you get a lot of rejection and cold reactions. when you get more experience, "cold" won't happen to you.

The cause of the "coldness" usually comes from the chick smelling your scheme. Try more neutral openers.

Do you NEG obstacles?

Sometimes. Don't forget, you are the prize. If someone disrespects you, then you should fight back. Just because she is ugly doesn't mean she can disrespect you.

I usually just laugh at obstacles and pat them on the head.

What do you do when you find you have to focus a lot on an obstacle but don't want to be interpreted as hitting on her?

Use the obstacle in negging the target. Make fun of the target with the obstacle. This usually provides the necessary ego stroke for the obstacle for you to continue.

What are some good Group Theory openers?

Go to fastseduction for that.

I need to work on controlling my Aware State.

Go out in the field, and that will take care of itself.

I'm not dropping as many NEGs as I should.

How do you know? Maybe you are just coming across as hitting on the chicks (not sure if you are or not). Sometimes you can OVER neg chicks. I have done that plenty of times.

I need better dancefloor game.

Stay off the dancefloor.

 

[Jake Steed]

MVPlaya,

If you are 18, you are doing well. Just getting out there and trying means a lot.

I don't frequent MASF but I am familiar with it and it's tactics. Some of my friends have prescribed to it for a time and have passed on what they learned from it on to me.

I've found that some of the stuff they do as "tactics" in MASF, I was doing in some form or another on my own. I really think it's all universal game shyt that someone on the web decides to "trademark" into some catchphrase so it sounds like a majic potion for getting women--making it attractive as a "method" to young guys who need structure. That's all fine, and I have no problem with it in that regard, but keep in mind it's all basic shyt and it's not magic. Getting women is all within YOU. Ever hear that fable, "The Emperor's New Clothes"? I think it applies here.

I've never been to Mystery's website or his chat group, but I am familiar with him and have friends who have attended his meetings. One thing you need to keep in mind is that Mystery is a dork with low self esteem. I'm pretty sure he's even open about this fact himself.

I've had some of his "field reports" forwarded to me, and quite frankly, I'm surprised you could get anything helpful from them. I found them to be no more than glorified bragging and not-so-veiled attempts to convince everybody that he is the shyt.

Actually, the most amusing thing about his FRs to me was that he comes across as a guy who is desperately trying to convince HIMSELF he is cool. I'm in no way, slamming the guy--I'm just giving my impression after I read some of his FRs. If you feel like you can get something useful from his stuff, then more power to you. If you are 18 and don't have much experience, then the structure will do you good. Just try to use your brain and not follow anything blindly. As you advance and become more confident in yourself, the rules and all this bullshyt mystery jargon will become juvenile and you'll drop it to do your OWN thing.

Just remember that Mystery's "method" and MASF and even the sosuave "rules" are just common sense stuff that has been given catchphrases in order to stroke some computer nerd's ego--"Ooooh, I invented the term IOI. I'm a GOD!" and that a lot of this shyt is taken to extremes and has become useless.

A good example is this "****y/funny" bullshyt that goes around on this board. As if CF is some fukking magic formula. If you don't have the REAL confidence and charm, "C/F" is going to come across as hollow and fake. Ever seen a puffer fish? It's real scrawny, but when it's threatened, it puffs up with air. Does it look menacing when it puffs up? No, it looks fukking hilarious. As if you're going to be tricked into thinking the puffer is a shark. That's the way you come across to people when you try to cover up LSE with these "tricks".

Anyways, keep up the good work and don't stress too much on following all these tactics to a tee.

Jake