FR: From POF to the backseat of the car

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A few days ago I got a message from a woman on POF. She didn’t say much or give a lot away in her profile, but her photos looked hot so I replied. After a few responses she asked me to add her on Facebook – always a good way to filter out the freaks and fakes. We swapped a few more emails and we talked about why we were on POF and what we were looking for. She let me know she’d not long come out of an 8 year relationship and was just looking to have a bit of fun. Although I am open to finding a relationship, I usually find myself more inclined to take a chance with a woman who expects nothing from me. There’s less risk of them getting hurt or the situation becoming complicated, and it feels more relaxed just meeting up and enjoying each experience for what it is. She gave me her number before heading off to bed and I text her the next day.

We exchanged more chit chat via text message. The length and frequency of her texts suggested she was very keen, though there was very little flirting or sexual discussion going on. Most of my attempts to escalate to sex talk were literally ignored. She’d never met anyone online before so I figured she was just apprehensive. I asked her to meet up.

We met half way, at a quiet bar. She arrived 8pm on the dot, just as we’d agreed. I saw her pull up so walked over to greet her. She was nervous and flustered, but she looked me up and down, touched my arm and told me I’m lovely. She was a great looking lady with the look of a glamour model: bleached blonde hair, blue eyes, ample breasts and slim waist.

She stood very close to me, almost touching, as I ordered drinks at the bar and looked me directly in the eyes as we made small talk. Over the years I have become aware of a certain vibe a woman gives off when she’s attracted to me. With some women it’s quite subtle, with others it’s blatantly obvious. With time I have learned to trust this vibe more and it never fails. The vibes I was getting from this woman were very strong.

I could see her better in the light and found myself very sexually attracted to her. She was like something from my teenage fantasies - a page 3 girl or softcore porn star. However, as I would soon come to realise, she also had the personality to match. She spoke and acted like a stereotypical bimbo. She talked constantly without pausing, mostly about nonsense and kept giggling at the slightest thing. She was like a character from The Simpsons. On one hand, I was feeling no connection with her, and spent most of the time just nodding and smiling while not really listening to what she was saying. On the other hand, I’m a redblooded man and she was really appealing to my masculine instincts.

She kept dropping compliments, telling me I look sexy, talking about how gorgeous my eyes are, how I look like I’m in great shape among other things. It was all great to hear. However, she kept fishing to find out if we’d meet again, suggested things we could do and even suggested a holiday together. After just one hour I was sensing that she was not as carefree as she originally made out.

She then started telling me a bit about herself and I learned she was in fact a former glamour model. I was having flashbacks to my horny teenage years, oggling pictures of such women in magazines. She then revealed that she’d had breast implants and pulled her top down slightly, showing her cleavage. I was finding myself very turned on now and my rational mind was being clouded by my sexual urges. I wanted her real bad and I knew she was putty in my hands. All I needed to do was escalate the sexual tension. Textbook stuff. I made a cheeky comment about not being able to judge her breasts properly through her clothes and that I would need a more thorough inspection. She giggled.

I looked at her lustfully.

“Don’t look at me like that, you’re giving me butterflies in my stomach,” she said. She explained how nervous she’d felt about meeting me, how she’d never done this before but was just trying to be more spontaneous. “How come you’re so laidback?” she asked me. “You must do this kind of thing a lot.”

She was right. I’ve had a lot of dates in recent years and after a while you just stop feeling so nervous. Of course, I wasn’t about to tell her that and make her feel like a statistic. “Not really,” I lied. “I just don’t stress about these things because I never have any expectations. I just take each moment as it comes.” I leaned in and kissed her. She reciprocated.

“So, do you want to have sex with me?” she said.

As blunt as that question sounded, it barely fazed me. “Of course I do. I think you and me could have a lot of fun together.”

“Well, there is a hotel nearby,” she said.

“Let’s go,” I said, half joking, taking it to be mere playful flirting. Afterall, we were only 2 hours into our date.

“Shall we?” she replied. “It won’t cost us much.” I realised she was serious. She pushed the idea, but did that typical thing a woman does when she doesn’t want to appear too easy. She talked about just going there to watch TV and chat, and how it was a chance for us to stay out. I went along with it. I didn’t want to make her feel like a slvt.

We took her car to a nearby hotel to find out how much a room would cost us. They were fully booked. She seemed determined, however, and called another nearby hotel. They were booked up too. The only options open to us were the more expensive hotels unless we travelled into the city, so I suggested we do it another night.

We went to look for another bar to have a drink, but we passed an Indian restaurant and she insisted we go inside. It was quite awkward as I really didn’t want to eat and she only wanted a little snack, but we were shown to a table and had waiters bring our drinks and hand us menus. She ordered food, but I chose not to eat. She told me she’d never been on a proper date before and I got the impression she was perceiving this as some kind of romantic meal. I went to the men’s room and when I came back she was telling the waiter how we were out on a date. She started asking me if I felt like the date was going well, then brought up ideas for future dates, following up by adding “that’s if you want to see me again” or “that’s if I’ve not done your head in and scared you off,” as though seeking reassurance she would see me again.

I was feeling the pressure now and getting overwhelmed. I couldn’t see myself in a relationship with this girl, or even dating her regularly. Everything was cool when it was just no-strings fun, but I was starting to see a needy and vulnerable side of her. And there was me thinking how she’d be a damn good fvck, not interested in what she had to say or getting to know more about her. My old nice guy conscience started to kick in, telling me not to take advantage of her.

After she’d eaten we headed out to her car where we chatted for a while. She told me she was really hot for me and, almost as if she sensed my doubts, came out and said, “If you just want to fvck me, and that’s all you want, I’m cool with that.” She put her hand on my thigh. “If you want to meet again and see where it goes then that’s great, but I’m not gonna be one of those women who won’t leave you alone after sex if that’s all you want.”

Now I was conflicted again. I still felt turned on and longed to get physical with her, but it would’ve sounded so cold to come out and admit that’s all I wanted. I told her, “Let’s just keep an open mind and take each moment as it comes.”

She suggested we go and park up somewhere private. I saw no harm in that. We went for a drive looking for somewhere quiet and ended up on the back of a car park. We started kissing passionately and I found myself getting very aroused. She asked if I wanted to sit on the backseat where there was more room. We continued kissing there, she lifted my jumper and ran her hands over my body. I pulled her hair, grabbed her ass and began to feel her breasts. They were big and firm, and I found myself losing control. We started removing clothes, groping and touching each other; she straddled me in her thong and rubbed herself against me. We totally forgot where we were as things escalated. But the windows had steamed up giving us a veil of privacy. She straddled me and I fvcked her right there on the back seat of her car. It was awkward and so restrictive, but it felt good. After we were done, I lay on top of her for a while. No talking, no giggling, just a moment of quiet intimacy.

I looked up at the dashboard. It was midnight. In just 4 hours we had gone from meeting for the first time to fvcking in the back of her car. She had no idea that this was the third time I’d done this, and I saw no reason to tell her.

We pulled our clothes back on and made ourselves look respectable. I kissed her goodbye and we exchanged some small talk about it being a great night. She then started saying how she felt she wouldn’t see me again and said she’s going to be thinking about whether I’ll get in touch again. It was that needy side of her coming out again. I wished she hadn’t said all this. I’d enjoyed fooling around with her and it felt relaxed, but now I was left with this pressure.

I don’t know where it will go from this point. If she can convince me she’s not going to be needy or isn’t expecting anything, then maybe we can have a casual thing between us, but I don’t want to build up her hopes if she’s looking for more.
 
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I gather you're looking for advice? I'm unsure as you haven't left any questions.
 

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Damn. Nice job. Is there a noticeable difference between fake boobs and real ones?

This reminds me that I should start carrying condoms on my first dates (I usually don't, unless the girl seems like the fun type).

Also, you're a good writer.

perseverance said:
I gather you're looking for advice? I'm unsure as you haven't left any questions.
Pretty certain that it's just a Field Report. Hence the "FR"
 

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Perseverance: Not this time mate, just sharing a field report. I'm trying to share more of them so people here can learn from what I do right and what I do wrong.

Thanks Iceberg. There is definitely a difference. I've been with a few chicks with fake boobs this year and they're much firmer and look amazing, especially with a slim waist. :) And yes, I always carry a condom in my wallet just in case. I've been so glad I did on many occasions, just for my own peace of mind.
 

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Nice FR. Personally, I find myself being repelled by women who are extremely needy. That's when my brain tells me "if you fvck this woman, she won't leave you alone" and I find myself not even wanting to come close to a bed.

But yeah, the back seat of a vehicle is a fun place to do it :)
 

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Its seems that while most guys here are griping on how difficult it is to score a hot chick on pof you are doing quite well in the UK. Good for you.

I wonder whether geography has anything to do with it. I live in Miami, Florida and I know just how difficult it is here to game chicks. Especially the hot ones. I consider myself to be very good looking but I havent had much success with what I would condsider physically attractive women on pof and the other dating sites.

Here its really about social proof and status (i,e money, the exotic sportscar, who you know, etc.).

If you don't have those, with few exceptions, you are dead in the water with the hot women.

The problem is that Im pretty picky and would rather jack off then spend time and get laid with a women Im not that attracted to.

I know that when I travel abroad and the few times Ive been to Europe hot women have been attracted to me like flies on shyt and getting laid with them was a routine matter. Here in the States its a different story.
 

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I've completely cut out the internet as any means to meet chicks. Deleted my facebook quite awhile ago, and have never signed up for any dating sites, but threads like this make me reconsider at times. I also have a co-worker who has had pretty good success with POF and some other websites I can't recall off hand. He's also in his thirties and kind of chubby, but never hesitates to show me some picture of some girls tits from his phone, or come into work all hung over telling me about he boned some chick off the internet. One thing I have noticed though, is that it does attract crazies. I've read it here plenty of times, but this guy is always saying stuff like "this girl is getting way too clingy..", "this girl is crazy.." etc.. etc.. I can deal with that I guess. Nothing my block feature can't fix. The temptation to resort back to online sarging gets stronger and stronger everyday.

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It may be that location has a lot to do with my success, but I've dated a wide range of women, some rich, some working class, some intelligent, some bimbos, and quite a few of them have been models or dancers.

One thing I have recently realised though is that 95% of my dates have been with women who initiated contact with me. Although I've had plenty of replies to messages I've sent out, most of those girls have flaked out on me.

I do get quite a lot of mails, but only a handful of them have potential. I can go a week or two with absolutely nobody catching my interest, then suddenly I get someone message me who really captivates me.

I can see why people get bitter. There's a LOT of flaking, a lot of low quality women and can feel fruitless a lot of the time, but I always try to stay positive and enjoy the chats.
 

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I really enjoy threads like this. Its always interesting to see how other men manage to escalate like that on the first date. Generally it just requires a certain chemistry between you and the girl.

Its quite interesting - all of the women I've met online I've had sex with either on the first or the second date. It seems they are "primed" to do this because they know they met you online on a dating website and that is their mentality.
 

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Just a few more comments:

We went to look for another bar to have a drink, but we passed an Indian restaurant and she insisted we go inside. It was quite awkward as I really didn’t want to eat and she only wanted a little snack, but we were shown to a table and had waiters bring our drinks and hand us menus.
This is a bad idea for me - I love Indian food so much, always fill up on vegetable biryani or lamb vindaloo, I can barely move afterwards! The fact that she likes Indian food though should be a major plus (in my mind).

My opinion is, she had already decided to have sex with you at this point. The above passage is classic anti-slut defense on her part. She's validating reasons for a one-night stand. She even indirectly tells the waiter that she's not a "loose woman." And--I think you were very wise to respond the way you did.
Agreed. Its really quite unfortunate that almost all women think they have to validate themselves in this way to have a one night stand. Now with birth control there is no reason why women shouldn't be able to have as much sex as they want.
 

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Espi: Thanks for the insights and feedback. It sounds like we think a lot alike and you're absolutely spot on about the old anti-slvt defense. She text me today with a very keen message, but was saying how she felt she was too full on and how she never usually does that kind of thing. I think every woman I've had sex on the first date has said this to me.

With dates like this I'm feeling things click into place. I knew exactly what to say and do. Although I did have a conflict with my conscience a few times, I missed out on so many experiences due to listening to my inner "nice guy" in the past and realised it's better just to follow your instincts. Besides, it's not like I was the only one having fun. :)


Serg897: Glad you enjoy the thread and I definitely agree that the chemistry has to be there. I'm also finding a lot of the women I'm meeting online are ready to put out. It may be because they are more comfortable after talking online/text. If you've been chatting for a while then by the time you have that first date it can often feel more like a 3rd date.
 

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Jariel said:
A few days ago I got a message from a woman on POF. She didn’t say much or give a lot away in her profile, but her photos looked hot so I replied. After a few responses she asked me to add her on Facebook – always a good way to filter out the freaks and fakes. We swapped a few more emails and we talked about why we were on POF and what we were looking for. She let me know she’d not long come out of an 8 year relationship and was just looking to have a bit of fun. Although I am open to finding a relationship, I usually find myself more inclined to take a chance with a woman who expects nothing from me. There’s less risk of them getting hurt or the situation becoming complicated, and it feels more relaxed just meeting up and enjoying each experience for what it is. She gave me her number before heading off to bed and I text her the next day.

We exchanged more chit chat via text message. The length and frequency of her texts suggested she was very keen, though there was very little flirting or sexual discussion going on. Most of my attempts to escalate to sex talk were literally ignored. She’d never met anyone online before so I figured she was just apprehensive. I asked her to meet up.

We met half way, at a quiet bar. She arrived 8pm on the dot, just as we’d agreed. I saw her pull up so walked over to greet her. She was nervous and flustered, but she looked me up and down, touched my arm and told me I’m lovely. She was a great looking lady with the look of a glamour model: bleached blonde hair, blue eyes, ample breasts and slim waist.

She stood very close to me, almost touching, as I ordered drinks at the bar and looked me directly in the eyes as we made small talk. Over the years I have become aware of a certain vibe a woman gives off when she’s attracted to me. With some women it’s quite subtle, with others it’s blatantly obvious. With time I have learned to trust this vibe more and it never fails. The vibes I was getting from this woman were very strong.

I could see her better in the light and found myself very sexually attracted to her. She was like something from my teenage fantasies - a page 3 girl or softcore porn star. However, as I would soon come to realise, she also had the personality to match. She spoke and acted like a stereotypical bimbo. She talked constantly without pausing, mostly about nonsense and kept giggling at the slightest thing. She was like a character from The Simpsons. On one hand, I was feeling no connection with her, and spent most of the time just nodding and smiling while not really listening to what she was saying. On the other hand, I’m a redblooded man and she was really appealing to my masculine instincts.

She kept dropping compliments, telling me I look sexy, talking about how gorgeous my eyes are, how I look like I’m in great shape among other things. It was all great to hear. However, she kept fishing to find out if we’d meet again, suggested things we could do and even suggested a holiday together. After just one hour I was sensing that she was not as carefree as she originally made out.

She then started telling me a bit about herself and I learned she was in fact a former glamour model. I was having flashbacks to my horny teenage years, oggling pictures of such women in magazines. She then revealed that she’d had breast implants and pulled her top down slightly, showing her cleavage. I was finding myself very turned on now and my rational mind was being clouded by my sexual urges. I wanted her real bad and I knew she was putty in my hands. All I needed to do was escalate the sexual tension. Textbook stuff. I made a cheeky comment about not being able to judge her breasts properly through her clothes and that I would need a more thorough inspection. She giggled.

I looked at her lustfully.

“Don’t look at me like that, you’re giving me butterflies in my stomach,” she said. She explained how nervous she’d felt about meeting me, how she’d never done this before but was just trying to be more spontaneous. “How come you’re so laidback?” she asked me. “You must do this kind of thing a lot.”

She was right. I’ve had a lot of dates in recent years and after a while you just stop feeling so nervous. Of course, I wasn’t about to tell her that and make her feel like a statistic. “Not really,” I lied. “I just don’t stress about these things because I never have any expectations. I just take each moment as it comes.” I leaned in and kissed her. She reciprocated.

“So, do you want to have sex with me?” she said.

As blunt as that question sounded, it barely fazed me. “Of course I do. I think you and me could have a lot of fun together.”

“Well, there is a hotel nearby,” she said.

“Let’s go,” I said, half joking, taking it to be mere playful flirting. Afterall, we were only 2 hours into our date.

“Shall we?” she replied. “It won’t cost us much.” I realised she was serious. She pushed the idea, but did that typical thing a woman does when she doesn’t want to appear too easy. She talked about just going there to watch TV and chat, and how it was a chance for us to stay out. I went along with it. I didn’t want to make her feel like a slvt.

We took her car to a nearby hotel to find out how much a room would cost us. They were fully booked. She seemed determined, however, and called another nearby hotel. They were booked up too. The only options open to us were the more expensive hotels unless we travelled into the city, so I suggested we do it another night.

We went to look for another bar to have a drink, but we passed an Indian restaurant and she insisted we go inside. It was quite awkward as I really didn’t want to eat and she only wanted a little snack, but we were shown to a table and had waiters bring our drinks and hand us menus. She ordered food, but I chose not to eat. She told me she’d never been on a proper date before and I got the impression she was perceiving this as some kind of romantic meal. I went to the men’s room and when I came back she was telling the waiter how we were out on a date. She started asking me if I felt like the date was going well, then brought up ideas for future dates, following up by adding “that’s if you want to see me again” or “that’s if I’ve not done your head in and scared you off,” as though seeking reassurance she would see me again.

I was feeling the pressure now and getting overwhelmed. I couldn’t see myself in a relationship with this girl, or even dating her regularly. Everything was cool when it was just no-strings fun, but I was starting to see a needy and vulnerable side of her. And there was me thinking how she’d be a damn good fvck, not interested in what she had to say or getting to know more about her. My old nice guy conscience started to kick in, telling me not to take advantage of her.

After she’d eaten we headed out to her car where we chatted for a while. She told me she was really hot for me and, almost as if she sensed my doubts, came out and said, “If you just want to fvck me, and that’s all you want, I’m cool with that.” She put her hand on my thigh. “If you want to meet again and see where it goes then that’s great, but I’m not gonna be one of those women who won’t leave you alone after sex if that’s all you want.”

Now I was conflicted again. I still felt turned on and longed to get physical with her, but it would’ve sounded so cold to come out and admit that’s all I wanted. I told her, “Let’s just keep an open mind and take each moment as it comes.”

She suggested we go and park up somewhere private. I saw no harm in that. We went for a drive looking for somewhere quiet and ended up on the back of a car park. We started kissing passionately and I found myself getting very aroused. She asked if I wanted to sit on the backseat where there was more room. We continued kissing there, she lifted my jumper and ran her hands over my body. I pulled her hair, grabbed her ass and began to feel her breasts. They were big and firm, and I found myself losing control. We started removing clothes, groping and touching each other; she straddled me in her thong and rubbed herself against me. We totally forgot where we were as things escalated. But the windows had steamed up giving us a veil of privacy. She straddled me and I fvcked her right there on the back seat of her car. It was awkward and so restrictive, but it felt good. After we were done, I lay on top of her for a while. No talking, no giggling, just a moment of quiet intimacy.

I looked up at the dashboard. It was midnight. In just 4 hours we had gone from meeting for the first time to fvcking in the back of her car. She had no idea that this was the third time I’d done this, and I saw no reason to tell her.

We pulled our clothes back on and made ourselves look respectable. I kissed her goodbye and we exchanged some small talk about it being a great night. She then started saying how she felt she wouldn’t see me again and said she’s going to be thinking about whether I’ll get in touch again. It was that needy side of her coming out again. I wished she hadn’t said all this. I’d enjoyed fooling around with her and it felt relaxed, but now I was left with this pressure.

I don’t know where it will go from this point. If she can convince me she’s not going to be needy or isn’t expecting anything, then maybe we can have a casual thing between us, but I don’t want to build up her hopes if she’s looking for more.

I assume you have well above average looks?

I'm gathering from a lot of POF successes on here that if you're above average looking or good looking you're going to get a lot of DTF encounters and meet ups.

Judging by what she said to you when you first met I'm assuming so if she's getting all flustered. Hmm.. Doesn't bode well for us average looking guys. But well done to you nevertheless!
 

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OP: This report is golden. I get the feeling this is part to the way women in the UK behave, or it could simply be your game.

Maybe you can share some profile tips or give us a link to it so that the rest of us can get an idea of what a successful profile looks like?

-Robyn
 

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Jariel said:
It may be that location has a lot to do with my success,
I'm almost willing to bet that things work a bit different in the UK especially when it comes to online dating. Here in North America, women have to deal with chat requests every 30 seconds, men who can't spell, constant compliments, and it's so damn bad that they can feel the drool dripping on them.

but I've dated a wide range of women, some rich, some working class, some intelligent, some bimbos, and quite a few of them have been models or dancers.
I don't think any of this matters. Women are generally attracted to the same types of things in men. I can't help but wonder how many women have given up on actually finding a date on POF and just use it to feed their desire for drama in their lives.

One thing I have recently realised though is that 95% of my dates have been with women who initiated contact with me. Although I've had plenty of replies to messages I've sent out, most of those girls have flaked out on me.
I've only been successful in getting one date off POF, and I'm the one who contacted her. But IRL, most of my dates have also been from women who initiated contact. However, I seem to be able to 'draw' them toward me to make that initial contact :)
 

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