FR - 98

[BPH]

Alright...New Year's Eve turned out to be more eventful than I was expecting, so let's talk about it. I'll try to structure this in more of a Do's and Don'ts format.

There are a few things I want to start with first since some of these points were brought up in my last FR and I think they deserve some context:

1. These FRs are meant to be educational, not braggadocious. The purpose of these is to describe the thought process behind my actions, and how that kept the interaction going in the desired direction. There are certainly those who will read this with the goal of disproving the things I say and accusing me of fabricating these stories - believe what you want to believe, I have nothing to gain either way. My goal is to merely educate younger guys who may be struggling and have open minds. I do NOT think I'm perfect or did everything right here, but I did do ENOUGH right.
2. I strongly believe people should take advice from those who have achieved their desired result, and not simply from anybody who cares to weigh in. My desired result is to sleep with multiple attractive women because I enjoy sex and the novelty of a new woman. If your desired result is to find a traditional woman for a long-term relationship to get married, this post will probably not be as useful to you.
3. To clarify the title, "98" refers to the 98th, and most recent woman I've slept with.
4. Because I enjoy being promiscuous, I am often willing to spend a little more time and attention on a potential new woman when compared to one I've already been sleeping with. Some people will read this and wonder why I went through this effort if I could just drive 30 minutes and bang a FWB without needing to buy drinks or spend all night with her. Everybody has their preferences, and to me, this extra effort is easy to justify from time to time.
5. Your results will vary. I am a 6ft tall, 215lbs, attractive, muscular white guy. I also drive a Toyota Prius, make less than $40,000 per year, and live with my parents. You may be better off in some areas, and worse off in others. This post is not about overcoming insurmountable odds and coming away with the lay - it is about trying to teach others how to recognize, react, and capitalize on the cards you're dealt.

Anyway...

I matched with this girl on Tinder last Sunday. After a very short conversation on there, I ask for her number, to which she initially declines, saying she doesn't give out her number, but that I could have her Instagram. We move the conversation to DMs and I get a little more of her background; she's a 27-year-old plastic surgeon's assistant from the Dominican Republic visiting New York and Philadelphia for 2 weeks. When I first matched her she was still in New York on Passport Mode (long-distance Tinder feature) but would be getting into Philadelphia Monday and staying there with her friend until Wednesday night. At this point, I still don't have her number, so I ask for it again, to which she replies she doesn't give it out "yet". I say "Not even to guys you like who want to grab a drink with you?" to which she replies "It has to be a good drink."

NOW...very first Do and Don't right here.

DON'T get upset, start demanding, or otherwise shoot yourself in the foot because you're not immediately getting what you want.

DO remain unbothered and move the conversation forward.

I simply replied "It's the best drink" then asked when she would be free Tuesday night. She glossed over that and asked me if I was in the city halfway through NYE. I tell her I'm just finishing work and going to the gym, then restate my original question and ask when she's free later. She glosses over that AGAIN, replying that right now she's ice skating with the friend she's staying with and should be free in about 2 hours, telling me she wants to go to this place called Assembly Rooftop.

By now it's about 7 PM and I have to cut through the BS to decide whether or not to entertain this girl. I reply "So you want me to take you to Assembly Rooftop lounge, but you won't give me your number?" She responds by asking what I will do for NYE, I tell her I'm undecided, and she says that she's going home now and will be out in the city later after midnight and that I should let her know if I make it. She then promises that we can see each other later, before offering to change her plans and instead see me before midnight.

This is the first sign of life here - she's willing to change her plans to accommodate me. I tell her that I'm fine with coming later, but that it's almost an hour's drive for me to get there and that she's not interested enough to give me her number so we can set it up. She immediately responds with both her provisional phone number she has while visiting, along with her WhatsApp, so we move the conversation there.

DISCLAIMER: The following is ideally NOT how you should be texting girls you're interested in. These are the texts of an indecisive man trying to test the waters to gauge this girl's interest level and whether it justifies an hour-long drive each way without the possibility of staying overnight.

DON'T make a bunch of small talk over text while testing to see if she "shows enough interest" before meeting up in person.

DO assume interest, act decisively, and lead the interaction forward.

From around 8 PM all the way until 11 PM the conversation centers around planning out the night, and me trying to figure out if she can read between the lines and is open to sex; I'm trying to see if she's able to stay out late, whether her friend is going to cause any issues, finding when exactly she leaves tomorrow to consider whether we can go out another time, etc.

I'm still on the fence, but I don't think I'm going to make the trip, so I decide to head up to a local bar with a friend who lives nearby and have some drinks to watch the ball drop there. While there I'm still texting her, briefly describing the situation to my friend, so to come to a decision I text her this: "This is a little forward but since you're leaving tomorrow and staying about an hour away with your friend...are you interested in me or are you mostly looking to be taken out?"

Her response: "If I were interested in just going out, I'd go out with my friends." I liked that answer. I liked it enough that I told her I'd come pick her up after I watched the ball drop, and would give her a call to let her know when I was close.

I make the drive and pick her up before heading over to a bar in Fishtown. She looks good. She speaks fluent English without much of an accent, but there is an occasional barrier with certain words, and if I talk too fast. She's not making too much eye contact, she's on her phone a lot updating her friends, and the responsibility is on me to keep the conversation going most of the time. I'm thinking to myself "f***, I just wasted a bunch of time driving for nothing, didn't I?"

We park and walk to the bar, it's surprisingly packed, and I get us drinks. Funny thing is, while I'm waiting for the bartender I'm actually texting the other girl from FR - 97 to see what she's up to since I didn't expect to be in the neighborhood tonight - she basically responds to my self-invite by telling me that if I want to see her I can take her on an actual date and that she isn't some booty call. Cool, so now I'm invested in seeing how tonight goes with the girl I drove here for.

I see her on her phone while I'm waiting for drinks and text her "hey, you know...you're pretty cute in this light". She laughs and responds "you're not too bad yourself" - don't worry, I'm establishing this for some context later.

 

[BPH]

Once I get the drinks I sit back down with her and we make some idle chitchat before I try to move the conversation in a more flirty direction by asking why she's still single, to which she replies "I'm picky", so I ask (in a fun way, don't be too serious here) "how am I doing?" She tells me I have 2 red flags; first, I didn't open the car door for her (she walked up to her door when I walked over to open it with the proximity key, but she was expecting me to reach over once inside and push her door out), and that she would've wanted me to walk behind her rather than in front of her (I thought she'd like that I was leading, but I guess not). Now, obviously, these are ridiculous nitpicks so...

DON'T get offended, point fingers, or put too much effort into convincing her your actions were justified.

DO laugh it off, briefly explain why you did what you did, and ask what she would've expected while poking fun at the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

I did the latter, then she asked me the same question, I gave her the same answer, and then SHE asked "how am I doing?" First of all, this is good - it tells me that she cares about whether she's impressing me, so even despite my "red flags", she's still interested. I took this opportunity to poke fun at the situation as a whole by answering as excessively sarcastically as I could; I told her that when I went up to get the drinks for us instead of being on the phone texting her friends she should've been staring at me longingly until I returned, and that my other red flag for her was when she told me I was "not too bad" that her response should've been "oh you're absolutely beautiful too".

That got a good laugh out of her, and she was much more attentive throughout the night, short as it was, given my lateness. As the bar began to close I asked the bartender if there were any late-night bars that would still be open, and he gave me some recommendations. We decide to drive over to one of these spots, and she tells me her friends (when I say this plural, her friend she's staying with is married and the husband lives with her) might meet us there. I get up to use the bathroom before they close but stop and ask my girl "wait, you didn't have a New Year's kiss, did you?" She says she has not, so I lean and go for the kiss. She's receptive, if a bit passive.

DON'T sit there all night wondering what could've been, waiting for the perfect opportunity.

DO make the move and find out how far the night could go.

We leave the bar and start walking back to my car, while I make sure she knows I'm "correcting" my awful red flags by having her walk next to me, and making sure she waits for me to push out the car door rather than getting in once I unlock it. It's worth noting that I STILL don't know how high her interest level is, given the kiss. She was into it, but she didn't seem THAT into it. So I go for it again once we're in the car - HUGE DIFFERENCE. Now this girl is all-tongue, nibbling my lip, even moaning a little. She tells me I'm a good kisser and that she doesn't even want to go to the other bar, and could "kiss me all night".

Mind you, we only had 2 drinks at the bar, so I think she just wasn't into PDA.

Also, guys, be a good kisser...this is a skill, alongside another I will mention in a little bit, that will get you so much further with women if you do it well - and stop your night short so much earlier if you don't. Something like this would probably deserve its own thread, but the most generalized advice I can give is to follow her lead. If she licks, you lick, if she nibbles your lip, you nibble hers, if she tilts her neck to kiss deeper and puts her hand behind your head, you do the same. Grab her hair by the nape of her neck and pull - that'll usually get a moan. Kiss up and down her neck once or twice, nibble her ear, there's a lot you can do here. Learn this skill.

Anyway, she comes to her senses and decides we should go before somebody sees us. She calls her friends and they change their minds and decide to stay in. I ask her if she still wants to go, "yes", I ask if she's sure, "no", so I turn the car back off and we get back to making out. She's worried about people driving or walking down the street seeing us and that we might get in trouble, so I have to reassure her that won't happen - we're nestled parallel on a quiet single-lane street with the glass quickly fogging up, so nobody will see anything unless they're actively trying to look.

Things begin to escalate; she pulls up her top and has me suck on her nips, she climbs over the console to lie on me while we kiss, and unbuttons her pants to have me finger her throughout this whole process.

Also also, guys, be good at fingering. Being a good kisser gets you in the door, being good at fingering gets you inside her. Making a girl c*m without even needing her naked is such a powerful thing - you don't need her naked, YOU don't need to be naked, and all that's required is 1-2 fingers and a couple of inches of wiggle room. There are tutorials on this; a correct one that comes to mind is by Stirling Cooper, you can find it on YouTube. Without getting into too much detail, the gist of it is to create a "hook" with your middle and maybe ring finger and use your whole arm - not just your wrist - to pull your fingers up to touch her G-spot. Lightly, but quickly rubbing her cl*t with those same fingers can sometimes achieve the same, or even better result.

It takes some time, but shortly after I start fingering her she agrees to move to the back seat, and we end up having the most amazing, cramped car sex in the back of my Prius.

Afterward, we joke about still trying to make it to that after-hours bar, make out a little more here and there, and make tentative plans to see each other next time she visits - just not at my parent's place (yes, I told her I live with my family). By now it's about 3:30 AM, so we both get dressed and I drive her back to her friend's place, walk her to the door, and kiss her goodbye, before driving home and letting her know I've arrived safe. I showered, ate a meal, relaxed, and then went to bed around 6:30 or so.

We texted back and forth a little today. Apparently, she decided to stay an extra night and invited me to come again, to which I politely declined, telling her I had work in the morning, and that she should let me know the next time she visits so I can plan around it. Her read receipts are on so I can see she read that text, though she hasn't replied. Funnily enough, the other girl I texted last night who gave me attitude about being a booty call hit me up today to see if I was free. I told her I was just relaxing today, preparing for work tomorrow since I had a late night the night before (which, as you can see, is true, just not in the way she thinks).

Hope you guys learned something from this, or at least found it entertaining to read. It only recently dawned on me how active I've been lately; this is the 4th new woman I've slept with in just over 1 month - 3 of which came from dating apps and Instagram. If anything, this should serve as an example of why it's always good to have the dating apps, even if you don't expect much from them.

This took a lot longer to type up than I initially thought, so I do hope some readers find this at least slightly educational. Once I'm done proofreading I think I'm tapped out.

Have a good night everybody, hope you guys had a good new year.

 

[pipeman84]

There are certainly those who will read this with the goal of disproving the things I say and accusing me of fabricating these stories - believe what you want to believe

Yep, I'm beginning to think that's the case.

First off, if it were so easy to get fast sex from Tinder, why is everyone complaining about dating apps? If your reply is that it's your looks, @sangheilios is also a tall, muscular, white guy yet I haven't read such a FR from him.

Secondly, another one pretending to be a lady, yet she's an abject hore. What are the odds of you repeatedly meeting this combination?

Thirdly, I find the do's and don'ts amusing. A wannabe gardener reading on how to tend to plants doesn't need specific, detailed instructions as if he's dealing with a delicate flower when in fact he's dealing with a weed. In other words, if you get in a car with a hore like that, short of hitting/punching her, you can't miss. Fingering instructions from Stirling Cooper ... give me a break.

 

[Westminster]

Thanks for posting. Another engaging and insightful read, keep em coming.

 

[SW15]

if it were so easy to get fast sex from Tinder, why is everyone complaining about dating apps? If your reply is that it's your looks, @sangheilios is also a tall, muscular, white guy yet I haven't read such a FR from him.

I am a 6ft tall, 215lbs, attractive, muscular white guy. I also drive a Toyota Prius, make less than $40,000 per year, and live with my parents. You may be better off in some areas, and worse off in others. This post is not about overcoming insurmountable odds and coming away with the lay - it is about trying to teach others how to recognize, react, and capitalize on the cards you're dealt.

For most men, it is generally difficult to get laid off of the swipe apps. Tinder is the most difficult one because it is 76% male. That's a bad sausage fest. Hinge/Bumble aren't that much better at 65% male.

Most men are invisible on Tinder and on Hinge/Bumble to a lesser extent. A small percentage of men are very visible on the Big 3 swipe apps. These are tall and fit/muscular men.

@sangheilios should be among the top seducers on this board at 6'4" and fit/muscular.

@BPH has experienced the outcomes that one would think a 6'0"+ fit/muscular man would experiences. He's done it despite living in a mid-sized area that sits in the shadow of a much bigger city while not earning a lot of money and living with his parents. @BPH has had the experience closest to what Roosh described in this article.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

@BPH does well with looks and handles text messaging well. He is emotionally centered when women throw pre-sex objections towards him, both over text message and in-person. With pre-sex objections, @BPH tries to manage their feelings to ensure they have the correct emotional state for sex. Then, the women want to have sex with him based on his looks.

another one pretending to be a lady, yet she's an abject hore. What are the odds of you repeatedly meeting this combination?

Tinder is a perfect place to meet women like this. These women are also on Bumble and Hinge.

this is the 4th new woman I've slept with in just over 1 month - 3 of which came from dating apps and Instagram. If anything, this should serve as an example of why it's always good to have the dating apps, even if you don't expect much from them.

That's solid. You got 4 new sex partners during one of the most difficult times of the year for meeting new women.

while I'm waiting for the bartender I'm actually texting the other girl from FR - 97 to see what she's up to since I didn't expect to be in the neighborhood tonight - she basically responds to my self-invite by telling me that if I want to see her I can take her on an actual date and that she isn't some booty call.

Do you want to do anything more with FR-97? She has nice breast implants. She's 35 (older than you). Flight attendants are not good options longer term due to being absent and traveling a lot. You could add her to rotation.

 

[The Duke]

Here are a few characteristics @BPH portrayed that made him successful:

-Confident
-Steady
-Keeps it Light
-Doesn't get overly invested/emotional
-Doesn't pull the nice guy or angry guy card
-Stays engaged
-Persistent
-Fluid
-Willing but not too eager

This girl was down to fuhk from the start, but a guy still has to warm her up to the idea if he wants sex to occur.

And @pipeman84 we are all patiently waiting to see your first field report. Did you get laid over New Years?

 

[pipeman84]

And @pipeman84 we are all patiently waiting to see your first field report. Did you get laid over New Years?

Nope, I got in bed as soon as the fireworks finished, around 12:10AM.

 

[BPH]

Yep, I'm beginning to think that's the case.

First off, if it were so easy to get fast sex from Tinder, why is everyone complaining about dating apps? If your reply is that it's your looks, @sangheilios is also a tall, muscular, white guy yet I haven't read such a FR from him.

Secondly, another one pretending to be a lady, yet she's an abject hore. What are the odds of you repeatedly meeting this combination?

Thirdly, I find the do's and don'ts amusing. A wannabe gardener reading on how to tend to plants doesn't need specific, detailed instructions as if he's dealing with a delicate flower when in fact he's dealing with a weed. In other words, if you get in a car with a hore like that, short of hitting/punching her, you can't miss. Fingering instructions from Stirling Cooper ... give me a break.

Why do you bother reading these if you have your mind made up beforehand?

I don't know why everybody has trouble with the dating apps. I've stated time and time again that one should expect nothing, and occasionally, be pleasantly surprised. You're basically rolling a 100-sided dice with only 1 side having the desired result. For every lay I'm getting through the apps I'm swiping left on 90% of women, matching with 5%, and having conversations with 1% - the amount of those that lead to dates and sex is even lower. These recent results are not the norm, which is why I described my own surprise about how the last month has been at the end of the post. I don't know anything about @sangheilios , but I do know plenty of attractive guys who suck with women.

Are you going to call every girl I sleep with a wh*re? That would be like saying LeBron James is only a good player because every team he plays against sucks.

Stirling Cooper is a former p*rnstar who has a rather successful YouTube channel that focuses on male self-improvement. I'm sure he makes most of his money from selling books and courses, so think of him what you will, but his video on fingering describes exactly what I do above.

Do you want to do anything more with FR-97? She has nice breast implants. She's 35 (older than you). Flight attendants are not good options longer term due to being absent and traveling a lot. You could add her to rotation.

I wouldn't mind, but I'm not willing to court her and jump through hoops to get what I've already had, if that's what she's expecting. Regularly making that drive is inconvenient which is why I generally don't make the trip unless I know I'm spending the night.

Here are a few characteristics @BPH portrayed that made him successful:

-Confident
-Steady
-Keeps it Light
-Doesn't get overly invested/emotional
-Doesn't pull the nice guy or angry guy card
-Stays engaged
-Persistent
-Fluid
-Willing but not too eager

This girl was down to fuhk from the start, but a guy still has to warm her up to the idea if he wants sex to occur.

And @pipeman84 we are all patiently waiting to see your first field report. Did you get laid over New Years?

I think what I do best is physical escalation. If what I'm selling is sex, I think I do a very good job presenting that - both by maintaining my physical appearance, and having the confidence that I'll know how to satisfy her. If I can kiss her, I can isolate her. If I can isolate her, I can finger her. If I can finger her, I can f*** her.

 

[pipeman84]

Why do you bother reading these if you have your mind made up beforehand?

My mind isn't made up beforehand. I read them because to some extent I find them entertaining.

Are you going to call every girl I sleep with a wh*re?

I'll take it on a case by case basis. In this instance a girl who goes from messaging on an app to sex with a stranger faster than it takes to book an escort and does it in a car (I've only heard of street hookers having sex with strangers in a car) certainly qualifies.

Stirling Cooper is a former p*rnstar who has a rather successful YouTube channel that focuses on male self-improvement. I'm sure he makes most of his money from selling books and courses, so think of him what you will, but his video on fingering describes exactly what I do above.

I know who he is. My comment wasn't a dig at him, I was ridiculing the idea that one has to be proficient at fingering to fvck a hore in a car. I mean, after the make out session in the front seat, if you had just moved her in the back seat, spanked her ass, slid down her trousers, spanked her ass again and started fcking her, you think she would've said: hold on, you gotta finger me first?

 

[BPH]

My mind isn't made up beforehand. I read them because to some extent I find them entertaining.

I'll take it on a case by case basis. In this instance a girl who goes from messaging on an app to sex with a stranger faster than it takes to book an escort and does it in a car (I've only heard of street hookers having sex with strangers in a car) certainly qualifies.


I know who he is. My comment wasn't a dig at him, I was ridiculing the idea that one has to be proficient at fingering to fvck a hore in a car. I mean, after the make out session in the front seat, if you had just moved her in the back seat, spanked her ass, slid down her trousers, spanked her ass again and started fcking her, you think she would've said: hold on, you gotta finger me first?

Like @The Duke said, I'll be sure to take notes once you post a FR.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You could've easily rolled over that Prius OP. Now if you'd rolled out to the Barrens instead, you could've banged outside the car.

 

[Velasco]

If your reply is that it's your looks, @sangheilios is also a tall, muscular, white guy yet I haven't read such a FR from him.

@sangheilios should be among the top seducers on this board at 6'4" and fit/muscular.

#1 Face
#2 Physique
#3 Height

These are the order of elimination filter. If she doesn't like your face, your out.

 

[Bigpapa]

For every lay I'm getting through the apps I'm swiping left on 90% of women, matching with 5%, and having conversations with 1% - the amount of those that lead to dates and sex is even lower.

If you get these results either you are
a very good looking guy that has swag and is a proficient seducer ( kudos to you then )

either you exaggerate stuff for no reason, other than some sort of short term satisfaction by kj’ing some really unfortunate souls

whatever is the reality, i think that your FRs have little to no proper substance

Maybe makes more sense to focus on the FRs that are properly educational?

 

[Velasco]

Maybe makes more sense to focus on the FRs that are properly educational?

He did a good job writing about a girl that initially brushed him off. And showed us how he was able to turn it around and get the lay. In previous years, this is something I would also do. Because I was proud of myself for seducing a girl that was initially not that attracted to me. Years later, I realized that that was what I was more proud of myself about. The "laying a girl that wasn't sure about me" part and not the "girl's attractiveness" part. This is not a knock on BPH. Because again. This was me a couple years ago. Notice the girl's age in his report are 27 and 35. Girls that are way past their prime. I noticed this also with the girls I was proud of myself for laying. Because at that point, what I valued was my seduction skills. When I got to show my "seduction skills". Demonstrating how I was able to lay a girl that was difficult. I did not put much stock to those girls I laid that were very easy (for me. Because I was exactly their type). It was only then that I changed my priority and focused on the "girl's attractiveness" part. And cared less about the "laying a girl that wasn't sure about me" part. Suddenly I lost interest in these sort of breakdowns. Because I know there are girls that are highly attractive and in their prime that will not play these sort of games, and be more straight forward, if you just focus on being their exact type.

 

[Clockwerk50]

If you get these results either you are
a very good looking guy that has swag and is a proficient seducer ( kudos to you then )

either you exaggerate stuff for no reason, other than some sort of short term satisfaction by kj’ing some really unfortunate souls

whatever is the reality, i think that your FRs have little to no proper substance

Maybe makes more sense to focus on the FRs that are properly educational?

His post indicates how to recognize and respond to interest, maintain confidence, and handling delicate situations with effective behaviours ("Do's") and what to avoid ("Don'ts").

I think it is educational.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Whilst I imagine some variation of this story did happen I am struggling to believe a low to mid interest APP chick who is classing herself as "picky" and offering little compliance suddenly goes to stripping herself naked and having wild sex in the back of a Prius on New years eve

I can't really see any point or reason in the story where this chick would suddenly decide she's going to turn into a total Sloot for you which makes the behaviour seem questionable

We leave the bar and start walking back to my car, while I make sure she knows I'm "correcting" my awful red flags by having her walk next to me, and making sure she waits for me to push out the car door rather than getting in once I unlock it. It's worth noting that I STILL don't know how high her interest level is, given the kiss. She was into it, but she didn't seem THAT into it. So I go for it again once we're in the car - HUGE DIFFERENCE. Now this girl is all-tongue, nibbling my lip, even moaning a little. She tells me I'm a good kisser and that she doesn't even want to go to the other bar, and could "kiss me all night".

Mind you, we only had 2 drinks at the bar, so I think she just wasn't into PDA.

Things begin to escalate; she pulls up her top and has me suck on her nips, she climbs over the console to lie on me while we kiss, and unbuttons her pants to have me finger her throughout this whole process.

Again I have been with some Sloots in my time but this behaviour is a very very extreme swing given theres what less than an hour between making the first move for a kiss and then her pretty much going into this wild heat ?

its almost like you keep finding app chicks that seem to initially offer next to no compliance and then out of nowhere they suddenly become compliant for you

If it is true you should probably do a course or something as a lot of guys would be wanting this blueprint

 

[BPH]

If you get these results either you are
a very good looking guy that has swag and is a proficient seducer ( kudos to you then )

either you exaggerate stuff for no reason, other than some sort of short term satisfaction by kj’ing some really unfortunate souls

Whilst I imagine some variation of this story did happen I am struggling to believe a low to mid interest APP chick who is classing herself as "picky" and offering little compliance suddenly goes to stripping herself naked and having wild sex in the back of a Prius on New years eve

I can't really see any point or reason in the story where this chick would suddenly decide she's going to turn into a total Sloot for you which makes the behaviour seem questionable



Again I have been with some Sloots in my time but this behaviour is a very very extreme swing given theres what less than an hour between making the first move for a kiss and then her pretty much going into this wild heat ?

its almost like you keep finding app chicks that seem to initially offer next to no compliance and then out of nowhere they suddenly become compliant for you

I understand the skepticism, given the nature of the internet's propensity to exaggerate positives and downplay negatives. My journey has been well documented here for more than 14 years now, but maybe people doubt my authenticity because they'd assume my financial and living situation would be more of a roadblock, or because they're surprised that somebody "so experienced" still has questions and makes mistakes. So I'll post this question:

What do I have to gain by making these up?

Clearly, I don't care about my reaction score or internet points - I regularly posted in a journal, often with no updates of substance or value for several months at a time. I certainly don't have anything to sell or promote, though I am considering ways I might be able to teach what I know and whether that could be the basis for a business. Plus, these take a long time to type up; I believe this took me somewhere between 90 and 120 minutes, between referring back to texts, mentally recounting the night, and delivering that information in a way that I can instruct others on how to recognize and capitalize on the night as it develops.

So if there's some other motive that makes sense to you, let me know, because I don't know what else it could be.

whatever is the reality, i think that your FRs have little to no proper substance

Maybe makes more sense to focus on the FRs that are properly educational?

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If you don't find this educational, what would be?

If it is true you should probably do a course or something as a lot of guys would be wanting this blueprint

I mean, trust me, 4 new women in a month is not the usual for me, as I've stated in this FR.

However, not specifically for flipping cold girls to hot via dating apps, but I was toying with the idea of finding ways to teach this: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/im-wondering-if-i-can-teach-this.283367/

 

[The Duke]

Whilst I imagine some variation of this story did happen I am struggling to believe a low to mid interest APP chick who is classing herself as "picky" and offering little compliance suddenly goes to stripping herself naked and having wild sex in the back of a Prius on New years eve

I can't really see any point or reason in the story where this chick would suddenly decide she's going to turn into a total Sloot for you which makes the behaviour seem questionable



Again I have been with some Sloots in my time but this behaviour is a very very extreme swing given theres what less than an hour between making the first move for a kiss and then her pretty much going into this wild heat ?

its almost like you keep finding app chicks that seem to initially offer next to no compliance and then out of nowhere they suddenly become compliant for you

If it is true you should probably do a course or something as a lot of guys would be wanting this blueprint

To each their own. I've been in similar situations and had similar results so it's probable to me. Most girls that act this way have seen a lot of cahk. They put up a front, it's part of their innocent act to convince themselves they arent really wh0res.

 

[Bigpapa]

He did a good job writing about a girl that initially brushed him off. And showed us how he was able to turn it around and get the lay. In previous years, this is something I would also do. Because I was proud of myself for seducing a girl that was initially not that attracted to me. Years later, I realized that that was what I was more proud of myself about. The "laying a girl that wasn't sure about me" part and not the "girl's attractiveness" part. This is not a knock on BPH. Because again. This was me a couple years ago. Notice the girl's age in his report are 27 and 35. Girls that are way past their prime. I noticed this also with the girls I was proud of myself for laying. Because at that point, what I valued was my seduction skills. When I got to show my "seduction skills". Demonstrating how I was able to lay a girl that was difficult. I did not put much stock to those girls I laid that were very easy (for me. Because I was exactly their type). It was only then that I changed my priority and focused on the "girl's attractiveness" part. And cared less about the "laying a girl that wasn't sure about me" part. Suddenly I lost interest in these sort of breakdowns. Because I know there are girls that are highly attractive and in their prime that will not play these sort of games, and be more straight forward, if you just focus on being their exact type.

Yes, you have a solid point and I agree with you till a point

from what I read ( and I might biased based on my prior experiences ), it sounds to me like dealing with a low smv girl ( not necessarily that she is ugly, but more on the social social prowess side of things. In most cases though there is a strong correlation between looks and social prowess for women )

And that is why I was raising the idea that something more educational would be interesting to be seen, as you can not really improve your skills or gain any knowledge to help you in the future by dealing with low smv girls

 

[BPH]

And that is why I was raising the idea that something more educational would be interesting to be seen, as you can not really improve your skills or gain any knowledge to help you in the future by dealing with low smv girls

I say again, what would that be?