FR: 6 Months OFF the Internet (LRs and journal notes)

[echo1212]

First Sourfox?, Your one of those geeks I was mentioning in an earlier post.

If you ever took the time to read any of my posts on other threads, you would see i offer good, sound, reasonable, SANE advice that any normal guy could understand.

I don't on the other hand say "I saw this hotelheiress mega hot gigabyte that I applied the reverse spin cryptonic double secret probation with a twist move but first I had to outcongulate the alpha male to get my mack on" that our friend papsmear does ad nauseum.

 

[SourFox]

Awww dude, you are such a nice guy! It is so sweet of you to insult me personally after I try to clear up a innocent misunderstanding of yours.

I do not see anything exceptional about your posting. But perhaps you have some good posts that I did not see, I'll grant you that. I like to keep an open mind about people.

As for Pap...

...you don't get it, do you? How many people are going to have tell you that he is the real thing? How many people are going to have to tell you that he is from mASF (if you even know what that is)?

I agree with you that some of his posts are not relevant to us, or are advertising his workshops. Instead of flaming him, why not join me in maturely requesting that he teach some material that is useful to us?

 

[echo1212]

Why do i not want to learn anything from papsmear? Because I have better things to do then:
a) Pay money to get women
b) Drive somewhere to go to a seminar with a bunch of geeks to get women
c) Hit on everything that walks-if any of that is even true
d) read his innane posts that go on forever and sound SO gay and geekboyish i thought I was at reading ****e on the local nerd site.
D) I do just fine on my own. I'm not gonna go into how many girls i've banged or how many gf's Ive had, lets just say its over 40 and 15, respectively. And am now presently in a wonderful relationship with a girl I love.

As for personally affronting you? I apologize. I just take great offense to people like papsmear that pray on guys that maybe havent had the success you or I have had with women and who will do just about anything to learn how to do it-including making them pay good money and who believe the gibberish that he puts out there. Its sick.

 

[SourFox]

a) Pay money to get women
b) Drive somewhere to go to a seminar with a bunch of geeks to get women
c) Hit on everything that walks-if any of that is even true
d) read his innane posts that go on forever and sound SO gay and geekboyish i thought I was at reading ****e on the local nerd site.

Then don't.

D) I do just fine on my own. I'm not gonna go into how many girls i've banged or how many gf's Ive had, lets just say its over 40 and 15, respectively. And am now presently in a wonderful relationship with a girl I love.

Don't worry man, there is no need for you to try to prove yourself to me. After all, I am a geek, right?

As for personally affronting you? I apologize. I just take great offense to people like papsmear that pray on guys that maybe havent had the success you or I have had with women and who will do just about anything to learn how to do it-including making them pay good money and who believe the gibberish that he puts out there. Its sick.

As far as I know, the workshops are only for guys with some experience (though I could be wrong).

Look man, I am really going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. Do you even know what mASF is??? Go read some stuff there, and you will start to see the level that these guys are at. Until then, I will consider any further replies by you on this topic as trolling. If you wish to persist in not-getting-it, you may do so on your lonesome.

 

[echo1212]

Sour puss. Yeah I've actually heard of MASF. In fact there's a local chapter of MEN ASPIRING (to become) SOCIETIES (new) FEMALES nearby. Perhaps you and papsmear can attend a local function and perfect your high-fives, spins, and famous spin-kiss move on the local geekboys?? Worth a try anyway huh?


By the way sour--I know your really pap in disguise under a different screen name. Funny how your first ever posts were right after papsmear and i have been having our "discussion". Same url douche. But, I expected as much.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Why don't you have a new debate under your other screen names and start a brand new threat?

Homie123 vs. Sour Fox.

 

[Julian]

Damn this is gettin out of hand..

Chill out echo..

 

[white_hype]

Originally posted by echo1212
Sour puss. Yeah I've actually heard of MASF. In fact there's a local chapter of MEN ASPIRING (to become) SOCIETIES (new) FEMALES nearby. Perhaps you and papsmear can attend a local function and perfect your high-fives, spins, and famous spin-kiss move on the local geekboys?? Worth a try anyway huh?


By the way sour--I know your really pap in disguise under a different screen name. Funny how your first ever posts were right after papsmear and i have been having our "discussion". Same url douche. But, I expected as much.

dammit echo you are a F'in fag

its fine you dont think pap is legit or whatever, and i too find the acronyms a little weird but who cares, hes trying to help people by showing field reports, which i think are better than all the ghey questions i see on this board like "shes on AIM and always msg's me, what od i do?" or "its all about confidence" crap that is basic

so run along and have fun with your ugly girlfriend... wtf are you here posting ever other second here anyway? especially if you have a Fuking girlfriend... dam you are fuking pathetic

 

[echo1212]

Hey white fag, how old are you 15? Because you write like a little teenie girl.

You like so many other boys-and I used that the term BOYS correctly- on here are so pathetic and SO desperate to get any kind of action with the Hb fatty 3's that you so readily attract that you'll believe anything some guy writes on the internet as gospel. Unlike you I've had a little more experience so I can spot bull ****e when i see it. But, if you want to believe what he says, go ahead, go practice your "high-fives, spins, and famous spin-kiss move" and see how far it gets you. Ya wanna know where? Right back to the computer so you can jack off to some more porn.

I'm really really getting sick and tired of the pansy teen boys that have been coming on here lately with their gay, immature, child like advice. Its getting to the point where I'm considering leaving this forum before it drifts off into teen afc land. I could go into a huge rant on this but suffice it to say this forum is not what it used to be, and probably never will be again.


By the way, my shoes are getting a little dirty, so go home and get your fuking shine box.

 

[SourFox]

Originally posted by echo1212
Sour puss. Yeah I've actually heard of MASF. In fact there's a local chapter of MEN ASPIRING (to become) SOCIETIES (new) FEMALES nearby. Perhaps you and papsmear can attend a local function and perfect your high-fives, spins, and famous spin-kiss move on the local geekboys?? Worth a try anyway huh?


By the way sour--I know your really pap in disguise under a different screen name. Funny how your first ever posts were right after papsmear and i have been having our "discussion". Same url douche. But, I expected as much.

Dude, are all the other people here who contradicted you "Pap" also? Are you Pap too? You must be. "echo1212" is simply just another name that Pap is using to flame himself in an obviously childish fashion to make publicity for his website. I see through you, Pap! You obviously created "echo1212" ages ago planning this and racked up a big post count by trolling and making jejune insults for kicks. Naughty you!

P.S. Sorry mods, I couldn't resist feeing the troll.

 

[uniassign]

Usually, I don't get involved in personal debates, but I have to intervene here and give my opinion in order to set everyone straight.

Echo, there is NO NEED to insult posters here. By changing their names only make you seem insecure.

Pap is a well respected poster in the seduction community. ALL of his posts are helpful and I can sense that he is genuinely trying to help others achieve what they want (whether it is to lay many girls or to get that special one).

I have read many of Pap's FRs and LRs and he comes across as someone who has tremedous game (and I know he has). He speaks from FIELD EXPERIENCE (which is VERY rare on this board).

You can generally tell how much experience someone has in a particular field of knowledge by the way they react to new information (or techniques). The ones with relatively less experience are the ones that react out of fear and insecurity, quickly dismissing the new information.

However, the experienced ones are the people who will hear the new idea out, and are willing to try it, because they KNOW that new ideas happen all the time. There are always new ways to do things. There are MANY ROADS that lead to Rome.

Why do i not want to learn anything from papsmear? Because I have better things to do then:
a) Pay money to get women
b) Drive somewhere to go to a seminar with a bunch of geeks to get women

Just say you are not doing so well in school, and your friends cannot help you because they don't know how to improve your marks, would going to a tutor be bad?

Same thing with seduction. Not everyone is consciously able to be good with people. Some have to learn.

c) Hit on everything that walks-if any of that is even true

This is called FIELD EXPERIENCE. Those who are willing to take risks (here rejection) is the one that will improve.

What you will notice is that most people who are GOOD at seduction do not SETTLE with a girl. They are in a relationship because they WANT to, not because a girl ACCEPTS his advances.

d) read his innane posts that go on forever and sound SO gay and geekboyish i thought I was at reading ****e on the local nerd site.

An open mind is needed here. There are some techniques that READS stupid, or geeky but they work. I personally experienced this for myself just last week.


I just take great offense to people like papsmear that pray on guys that maybe havent had the success you or I have had with women and who will do just about anything to learn how to do it-including making them pay good money and who believe the gibberish that he puts out there. Its sick.

I truely believe that people who have taken workshops are not walking away with just seduction skills on how to PU chicks. They are walking away with LIFE skills of how to INTERACT with society.

 

[Cesare Cardinali]

Echo1212,

What is your problem dude? You've been posting on this site for a while now and never displayed the type of trolling and immature behavior that is apparent every time Pap posts anything.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised the mods haven't banned you for this type of childish behavior. And you'd deserve it if they did! They already warned you about logging in as Homey and insulting Pap in a separate thread...

If you don't agree with what Pap says or if you think he's just trying to market his websites, then don't reply to his posts. It's as simple as that.

In fact, the way you're acting, its as if you're somehow intimidated or threatened by this type of information as you're always the first to jump on Pap's back and try to put him down.

I have met Pap this summer and I know lots of guys who are friends with him. He most definately is legitimate. Your efforts to make him out to be a phony only show what an insecure low self esteem dude you are for not having the maturity to either argue constructively or respectfully bow out if you feel like you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion. However, picking a fight with someone who's just participating in good faith is totally innapropriate.



Cesare Cardinali

 

[echo1212]

If you call participating in good faith getting on this site and shamelessly promoting multiple websites and drumming up publicity for profit, then so be it. Remind me next time I have something to promote to bring it to this site. Unlike you..I'm not a sheep who follows the crowd aimlessly. That is the end of my contributions to this thread. Goodbye sheep.

 

[homie123]

Guys. I just read a few posts in this thread. What's with all the saying echo is Homie (me) thing? Echo is my boyfriend. We live together. Therefore thats why why have the same url on our screenames, we share the same computer. We already notified the moderator that he was wrong to say we are one and the same a while back. And he wrote back acknowledging that. I was just posting once in awhile to tease Matt (echo) and to boost his ego a little. Not that he needs it lol!! Hope that clears things up. Thanks guys!

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Alright guys, I just can't pass this up; I'll feed the troll one more time. Just seems that this fellow is either in Love or Infatuated with Pap. I don't know. Papster, get a restraining order on this character NOW.

Originally posted by echo1212
Again.he's promoting his websites so he can take YOUR money.]

Yes, that's what promotion is all about, to make money. Any website you visit has ADS; even SoSuave.com. Anything wrong with that? We all want something for nothing. That's not how it works. We can't live in the 'shoulds', you take it as it comes. If you are the kind of person who is offended by commercials then I'm sure you don't watch any commercial television.

What he does is pray on guys who havent had alot of success with women and who think there's some almighty secret out there that will give you the key to scoring with chicks.

What are you the consumer protector, the saviour of "geeks" all over the world? What's next, are you going after the Tobbaco industry for prayin' on children and smokers in order to maximize their profit?

Well, I hope you are not talking about me not having had a lot of success with women. I am not gonna blow my own horn and throw out stats about how many I've scored; I will say that if anybody is gonna show me how to get better, I at least will want to hear what they have to add; same reason I go through a lot of useless posts here. Guess what? If Im gonna learn, it will be from someone who's good at whatever I'm looking to improve on. There are certain things where I won't settle for just being good at, wich I already enjoy success with women, but want to get even better.

Ya ever watch the show "Average Joe"? Thats the type of guy who gives these kind of losers their hard earned cash. Gimme a break.

Sorry Junior, I don't have that much time to watch those shows, I actually have 2 jobs, several hobbies, a pursuit for improvement, a few close friends and a couple of hunnies I like to share my time with. I limit my contact with negative/pesimistic people who whine about themselves, their situation, or others who want to help. I guess you do watch TV and the evil people tryin' to sell you stuff 30-60 seconds at a time.


If anyone needs to go to seminars and PAY money and waste there valuable time to learn how to get with women, your beyond help. Your a geek.

That's the beauty of seminars or any other self-improvement activity, when you can do it because you want to, and not when you NEED it, or HAVE to. You only do it because you want to learn. For the many who were at the seminar because they need a lot more help than me, good for them, for not sitting in front of a screen and responding to posts, and doing something about it. If you don't like your situation, CHANGE IT DAMMIT!!!



If I ever told any of my friends that I was going to spend money and time on how to attract women, they would laugh me out of the country. I mean, its ridiculous. Yet there are poor saps out there who actually do this.

I am just glad I am not one of those approval seeking dudes who won't do anything out of the ordinary in order to improve. If I tried to make everyone happy and worry about people making fun of me, I wouldn't have the life that I now enjoy. Boy, If I had to rely on what other people, or so called "friends", thought or said about me, in order to take action and seek improvement, I'd be helpless in this world, and be constantly obssesing over another guy's posts online, calling people names, and think about NAMBLA. Now who's the sap? Nice. LoL.

Guys..heres the secret..and its no secret. Dress and look the best you can.. Be confident-but not overly ****y....Be a man...Be money..Its not hard.

LoL. No comment.

Its getting to the point where I'm considering leaving this forum before it drifts off into teen afc land.

Promise? You won't do it. You will go out there and re-register under a brand new name and continue, you have too much time on your hands pal.

 

[wolfie]

You don't want to spend time learning how to get women? You're on a pickup website ffs. I suppose you just come here to sneer at the afcs who aren't as 'good' as you?

 

[Drew]

Paps a friend of mine. He's got dedication that is few and far between in this community. And no, I have never paid Pap a single dime. ; )

 

[emotionlikeafuneral]

Echo is emotionally blown over by pap's posts. He cannot get his fragile reality back. He is ENEMY CENTERED, and his existence is MAGGOT RIDDEN **** until he gets that EXTERNAL validation. And until he can let that go, and find himself internally, he is forever a *****.

What would we do to these trolls without the wise words of TylerDurden??

LOL.

 

[MVPlaya]

Pap,

Cool FR, but do you have any FRs with a little more quality and less quantity. I'm interested in one where you show us one CA where you disect it from approach to convo to close and show us WHY you did certain things. We all understand what worked in hindsight, but I wanna know why you did/said certain things during.

Keep up the good work.

 

[CLOONEY]

Yo Pap man, what do you look like? You sure do "claim" a lot of things on these boards and I am a firm beleiver that LOOKS are a HUGE part of "picking up". By the way, please people, dont turn this into a looks debate again. This is just my opinion from my own VERY vast experience. So Pap, post us a pic man...................