FR: 3/04/2008's Seduction Log

[ElStud]

Well yeah you guys know the drill. In this topic I'm basically going to talk about the interactions today which I felt had some importance.

My last period had ended and I saw this Kaara girl in the hallway. So I basically put my arm around her, said what's up and started talking to her. I remember at one point asking her how her guitar was going(Because previously when I talked to her she told me she played guitar) and that kind of stuff. Then I started talking about how we should jam and stuff and throughout this whole convo she's being cool with it.

So that was that interaction, nothing special. I would further progress things with this girl, but when I talked to her later I learned she had a boyfriend, which sucks. Which sucks even more is I had the chance to game this girl WAAAAY back in the beggining of the year at marching band, but I didn't, but her current boyfriend did.

I'm in the hallway and I see this group of girls, few of them I guess you could say I kind of know and open saying "Hey, little sis, how's it going? How's the baby?" and another girl goes "She does kind of look like she's having a baby". Blah blah blah, I said "Sophia, I'm going to give you a test though, what's my name?" and she gets it right. Overall it wasn't that great of an interaction and to be honest, I wasn't even into towards the end when she started walking away and I closed the set.

I guess started okay, admit the girl was probably a little creeped, but who cares.

I'm talking to my dude Jake and he's talking to this girl named Laura or Lauren or something like that. And so he asks if I know her and I say "Yeah! That's my little sister" then I say "Come on little sis, give your big brother a hug" or something and I hugged her and she hugged back. Eventually Jake guy is like "Aw... they're hugging" all sarcasticly and stuff. Nothing interesting really happened after that.

Decent set, girl I barely even knew hugged me.

Overall, seduction wise, today didn't go so great. Mainly because today I went to this thing for Jazz Band, so I missed both my 2 lunch periods and couldn't talk to girls there, so I only had pretty much, afterschool to approach. However, since tommorow I do have 1 lunch period AND I have play practice, which a lot of girls are in, it should be a good day seduction. Heck, I might even get some numbers tommorow, who knows.

 

[ChrizZ]

you have to talk to the b!tches for way longer. Talking one or two sentences with them won't do much.

 

[Prodigy746]

i hate to admit it but you might actually be improving, although refering to girls you are gaming as little sisters is a no no. GL

 

[ezily]

he's not improving at all. All he's doing is acting like a weirdo and creeping these girls out by calling them his little sister. He's never going to learn. His first impression makes him seem like a complete and total loser. Sorry Elstud but have you learned anything at all over the course of you stay here on this forum?

 

[Microphone Fiend]

why dont you create one thread instead of a thread a day?

 

[ElStud]

Haha, believe me when I say there's a reason you're ignored ezily. The only way your post is right is if you mean by creeping out girls they're actually interested. Only like 2 of the girls I approached yesterday were really even creeped and that's 2 out of the MANY girls I approached. Kaara girl, was cool with me having my arm around her EVEN THOUGH she had a boyfriend. Freshman chick I didn't even know, let me hug her and HUGGED BACK, when I used that so called "creepy" little sister opening. See, the problem is that YOU personally think that would be creepy to say to a girl, when honestly, you've probably never even tried it and the results show it, most girls I've used that on don't think of me as creepy. But in the end, girls only think it's creepy if you think it's creepy or you're indeed giving off a creepy vibe.

why dont you create one thread instead of a thread a day?

Because I've created "approach journals" before and no one gives advice.

 

[In Motion]

Some of the things you do are just really creepy. And also, you don't need to post a new thread EVERY single time you say hi to a girl. If we all did that the forum would be full of spam.

Wouldn't you find it annoying if i posted this everyday:

So today I said hello to this girl, then she flipped me off but i knew it was a sh!t test so i gave her some serious kino. She was like: GET off me FREAK. but I knew it was a sh!t test, she was interested.

 

[Shyyhs]

So today I said hello to this girl, then she flipped me off but i knew it was a sh!t test so i gave her some serious kino. She was like: GET off me FREAK. but I knew it was a sh!t test, she was interested.

*applauds*

 

[Microphone Fiend]

Because I've created "approach journals" before and no one gives advice.

I've seen others give you advice (as well as myself) only for you to ignore it. Here is advice on your approaches.

Approaches
1st: Very ballsy going up to a random girl you do not know. You seemed very confident. However, it is not a good idea to use excessive kino too soon. It seems creepy to many girls and comes off is needy. When they give you a reason to touch (High IL or something that makes them interesting to YOU other than looks, etc) apply kino. There is more info on it in the bible if you are interested.


2nd: Do not insult random girls. Insinuating that she has a baby will only make her want to get away from you. Perhaps that was a neg hit gone wrong? Regardless, no need to be mean like this.


3rd: This seems incestual imo. I've seen the PUA version of it and I see what you were attempting but you didnt quite pull it off. The kid sister line is to show that you arent hitting on her like other guys after you Display your Higher Value, but use it too soon and they are indifferent or even worse, relieved that you are not hitting on them.


Alright man I'm really digging that you are out there pushing yourself to open sets and get to know some women. Eventually I know that you will have some success and get on a little streak. There is one thing I worry about though. When I see you out there putting it on the line everyday, I KNOW you are on the path to SOME kind of success but if you put in the extra work you could be working towards TONS of success. You remind me of myself at times. I would tell myself how stupid people are who don't accept criticism but at the same time if I got a test from high school and got a low mark I would just avoid it. You know how it is, the teacher is automatically wrong and not even worth reading his/her comments. Then I realized that this is holding me back from getting better and I started reading and when I did, I realized allllll the mistakes I was making

In your instance, you have acquired a lot of haters, but at the same time, perhaps it is possible that there is a slither, a small little minute piece of truth in some of the criticisms that they bring to light. Go back to some of your other threads. Ignore the stupid haters, but read up on the guys who sound sincere in their advice and ask yourself if perhaps they are right in their ideas, or at least warrant an attempt to try what they say

 

[ElStud]

I've seen others give you advice (as well as myself) only for you to ignore it. Here is advice on your approaches.

Approaches
1st: Very ballsy going up to a random girl you do not know. You seemed very confident. However, it is not a good idea to use excessive kino too soon. It seems creepy to many girls and comes off is needy. When they give you a reason to touch (High IL or something that makes them interesting to YOU other than looks, etc) apply kino. There is more info on it in the bible if you are interested.


2nd: Do not insult random girls. Insinuating that she has a baby will only make her want to get away from you. Perhaps that was a neg hit gone wrong? Regardless, no need to be mean like this.


3rd: This seems incestual imo. I've seen the PUA version of it and I see what you were attempting but you didnt quite pull it off. The kid sister line is to show that you arent hitting on her like other guys after you Display your Higher Value, but use it too soon and they are indifferent or even worse, relieved that you are not hitting on them.


Alright man I'm really digging that you are out there pushing yourself to open sets and get to know some women. Eventually I know that you will have some success and get on a little streak. There is one thing I worry about though. When I see you out there putting it on the line everyday, I KNOW you are on the path to SOME kind of success but if you put in the extra work you could be working towards TONS of success. You remind me of myself at times. I would tell myself how stupid people are who don't accept criticism but at the same time if I got a test from high school and got a low mark I would just avoid it. You know how it is, the teacher is automatically wrong and not even worth reading his/her comments. Then I realized that this is holding me back from getting better and I started reading and when I did, I realized allllll the mistakes I was making

In your instance, you have acquired a lot of haters, but at the same time, perhaps it is possible that there is a slither, a small little minute piece of truth in some of the criticisms that they bring to light. Go back to some of your other threads. Ignore the stupid haters, but read up on the guys who sound sincere in their advice and ask yourself if perhaps they are right in their ideas, or at least warrant an attempt to try what they say

1st: Actually I did know her as I did mention we talked before. First thing, "clawing" is not excessive kino(You want excessive kino? That's touching her ass or even kissing her). I'm not even going to say anything to the creepy and needy thing because it's a blank statement, you give no reasons for saying this. Besides, she was cool with it, as I stated in the topic. Besides, if a girl thinks you're creepy, she's most likely going to tell you to get off, not let you keep doing it. I mean think about it, would you let someone with a creepy vibe touch you? I know I wouldn't.

2nd: No one's insulting no one. Her friend even made a joke about it, so if she's insulted, it's like what's wrong with her. And it's funny you say she's going to want to get away, when infact, the FR shows that she still let me put my arm around her after that and wasn't like "Okay... I have to go now".

3rd: It depends on what you mean by pulling it off. First of all, I didn't even know the girl previously and not only did I hug her, but she hugged back. Heh, it makes me wonder what you mean by "pulling it off" what is she suppose to slip off her clothes right there and have sex with me? Come on, girls don't hug guys they're not comfortable with.

And to the last paragraph, no there is no small slither of light. You fail to understand the fact that half of the people giving these criticisms are people who have not been with one girl in their life or have a crappy mindset. And I have taken the advice of the guys who haven't been hating and sound like they know what they're talking about.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

1st: Actually I did know her as I did mention we talked before. First thing, "clawing" is not excessive kino(You want excessive kino? That's touching her ass or even kissing her). I'm not even going to say anything to the creepy and needy thing because it's a blank statement, you give no reasons for saying this. Besides, she was cool with it, as I stated in the topic. Besides, if a girl thinks you're creepy, she's most likely going to tell you to get off, not let you keep doing it. I mean think about it, would you let someone with a creepy vibe touch you? I know I wouldn't.
Excessive kino is getting into her personal zone too quick and touching too much. It is not just about touching her in sexual places that is considered inappropriate, but also how heavy the kino is. There is a difference between tapping a girl on the shoulder, and putting an arm around a girl which in society signifies relationships or the male taking control of the female.

2nd: No one's insulting no one. Her friend even made a joke about it, so if she's insulted, it's like what's wrong with her. And it's funny you say she's going to want to get away, when infact, the FR shows that she still let me put my arm around her after that and wasn't like "Okay... I have to go now".
Based on what you type, your kino seems fast and awkward. Just because you do not follow societal roles and hold off the kino for a bit does not mean the girl will not. Instead of walking away and leaving you high and dry, some girls will look for a way out in a couple seconds so they don't hurt your feelings. Girls will give you a number when they have no interest in seeing you because they HATE confrontation. Read my journal, I have been there and I know what I am talking about.

3rd: It depends on what you mean by pulling it off. First of all, I didn't even know the girl previously and not only did I hug her, but she hugged back. Heh, it makes me wonder what you mean by "pulling it off" what is she suppose to slip off her clothes right there and have sex with me? Come on, girls don't hug guys they're not comfortable with.
Yes they do, it is JUST a hug. As a seducer is that what you want, JUST a hug? The point of the line is not to get a friendly hug, but to pique her interest as to why you are not chasing her like the other guys and seducer her so she wants to give you MORE than a hug and a kiss.
And to the last paragraph, no there is no small slither of light. You fail to understand the fact that half of the people giving these criticisms are people who have not been with one girl in their life or have a crappy mindset. And I have taken the advice of the guys who haven't been hating and sound like they know what they're talking about.
Okay if 1/2 the guys never get girls, what about the other half? What about me? I'm nowhere near a great seducer, but I have a journal, (see sig) have been with a girl in my life and I am trying to help. Yet it is as if you think you know everything and don't need any advice. If you are content with hugs and girls walking away from you in the hallway, then fine. But if you want something more, something physical and spiritual, something that makes all the rejection and teasing worth it, perhaps it is time to listen to others advice even if you think it is wrong.

Why post threads with no success (unless hugging a girl is a success) and then refuse the advice others give you? I do not understand what you gain by being here on So Suave?

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[ElStud]

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Can't say I care much for what society thinks. All I know is the girl was comfortable with it. And maybe that's your opinion, but really I don't care. Generally, my mindset is if she doesn't reject the kino it's good. YOU yourself may have a different opinion, but that's what my mindset is and it really hasn't failed me yet.

The girl didn't look for a way out in a few seconds from what I saw. I was talking to her for a good minute or two before I ejected.

About the next paragraph, who said I was trying to seduce her? Don't know about you, but some of just talk to girls sometimes. I mean honestly, are you trying to seduce every girl you talk to? Well, whatever suits you then.

Me, I pretty much don't give a f*ck what society thinks and I just what suits me. And in my mind, girl doesn't reject kino in the first few seconds, she's interested. Didn't go to school today because they canceled it, but next time I do go to school I'm going to try and escalate to a kiss close.

 

[ezily]

but next time I do go to school I'm going to try and escalate to a kiss close.

:crackup: go for it and be sure to post your results! This is going to be hilarious.

 

[saber]

wow elstud your vewpoint just dawned on me!!

you dont care what society thinks or how the girl feels!!

so you do whatever as long as it is fun for you and if its fun for you why would it not be fun for someone else!!

it all makes so much sense now

so you have no real intentions of getting with these girls you would rather just approach in your own style for the fun of approaching... aha!

your right i am a big hater and i hust cant help it

i was walking by this homeless guy and hatting on him because i offered some advice like take a bath....damn! how could i be so blind and not see that he doesn't care what society thinks and he is doing it his own way

i instantly thought of you even though you have no actual success in any way shape or form im jealous of your ignorant bliss of how things really work

i also read the thread where everyone mocks you...it was pretty funny

 

[ElStud]

:crackup: go for it and be sure to post your results! This is going to be hilarious.

Yes, especially if it's successful so I can laugh in your face. Haha, I can see it now, "Yes, ElStud, I know you got a successful kiss close, but you were probably still coming off as creepy.". And hey, if it doesn't go so well, who's cares, I would just learn from my mistakes. Basically my game plan is to open her at lunch, isolate her, vibe and majorly escalate and if all goes well from there and she seems comfortable, I go for a kiss on the lips.

 

[rockman]

I wouldnt include anything about sisters lol. That would just be WEIRD.

 

[ElStud]

I understand the "I don't care what other people think" theory, but do you think kiss closing a girl during lunch at school isn't too sudden? Maybe it's not; I've just never heard of that happening.

Dude, that's what seduction is for. If you don't want to be "sudden" meaning, you want to take 2 or 3 monthes to get to know the girl, before you finally kiss or even have sex, that's alright, but it pretty much makes all the seduction techniques useless. But BASICALLY if she's attracted and you escalate a lot, I could see it happening. Remember, kino is what keeps girls from putting a guy they think is nice in the friend zone.

 

[ezily]

I understand the "I don't care what other people think" theory, but do you think kiss closing a girl during lunch at school isn't too sudden? Maybe it's not; I've just never heard of that happening.

hey don't try and discourage him.

Elstud, good luck. seriously. If you can pull it off I'll say I was wrong about you and that those girls actually were showing interest. But you have to tell the truth.

 

[Ratisson]

so you do whatever as long as it is fun for you and if its fun for you why would it not be fun for someone else!!

it all makes so much sense now

so you have no real intentions of getting with these girls you would rather just approach in your own style for the fun of approaching... aha!

It's pretty embarrassing how many haters there are on this thread. What is everyone's problem with ElStud.
Saber, the whole point of approaching women is to do it for the fun of it. If you can't see how fun and self-amusing approaching women can be, then don't do it.
I dont know what everyones problem is. Here's this guy, who gets off his computer and approaches women, and everyone turns into a hater because they wish they had the balls to step out of their comfort zone and go talk to girls too.

It doesn't matter how stupid you think his interactions are. What's important is that he's in the field and doing approaches and you guys are sitting here on this DJ forum waiting for someone to post a magic pill for your success with women. Good job ElStud. Keep Hustling women and eventually you'll get better at it. it's too bad that everyone on here is a KBJ/HATER who can't see the big picture in what you doing. I sent you a PM.