Four Days with a Male Model

[Schwank]

Well, he's not a male model. But he's good-looking enough to be one; he's been working out religously for the past 3 years. He's my cousin. And I spent the last four days at his place on visit.

I went out with hime every day. Not just to clubs, but just out and about town. What I noticed is the amount of interested signals girls give him: Pretty girls will do double-takes, smile and look down whilst walking past, give sideway glances, start preening when he's in vincinity... You get the idea. But he's got a GF, so he doesn't act on all this stuff.

All this stuff makes me mad jealous; I never get attention like he does. So, would you hang out with a dude (even if he's family) who just completely overshadows you in the looks department? I mean, with him in tail, girls show me NO interest. So I am thinking of avoiding him when it comes to trying to woo the ladies. Would you guys do this?

(Please, no replies from virgins and keyboard jockies.)

 

[ATP]

I actually think I have more going for me than just my looks so yes, I'd hang out with that person if he was a cool person.

 

[Schwank]

I'm talking about first impressions based on looks, before even opening your mouth. Besides, my cousin is also articulate and funny, so if he wanted these chicks who are lusting over him, he could get them.

 

[polok87]

There is always going to be someone bigger, better looking, stronger etc.

You are probably gaining social proof by hanging with him, you got to look at it like that. Would he not be the perfect wingman for you? He is taken which means any girls the both of you approach are yours for the taking. Always look at the positives instead of focusing on how he is better looking and gets more attention than you.

Who wants to be king of the losers or part of a cool group of good looking, socially adept men?

Anyway I have seen girls all over ugly guys. Your looks are only a limiting belief if you make them one. I am a decent looking muscular guy and there are plenty of times when I have been outshone by a smaller, worse looking guy.

 

[ENIGMA16]

All this stuff makes me mad jealous; I never get attention like he does. So, would you hang out with a dude (even if he's family) who just completely overshadows you in the looks department? I mean, with him in tail, girls show me NO interest. So I am thinking of avoiding him when it comes to trying to woo the ladies. Would you guys do this?

People are attracted to one another based on the information they receive regarding someone else. Even if one has limited information about another, they will process what little they have and base their determination of attraction on that.

The most accessible information about another is their looks. This is because I don't have to know or even meet you to receive this information. It is 99% of the time the first information we receive about one another, because it only requires a glance.

Once we see somebody, we start processing the information received and begin to form an idea of who that person is. This, now, starts going further than mere looks, and actually is much deeper and more profound (and therefore more difficult) to dissect and analyze. Essentially, we start forming an idea of what that person's personality is like based on how they act, their movements, their attitude, etc... We pick up on all of the conscious and unconscious movements and actions of others and use these to form a basis of how we perceive that person to actually be. In other words, we're picking up on the energy of others and using it to appraise what status that person has.

This is a pretty convoluted post, I think, but my point is that, while your friend has looks going for him, and will receive the initial attraction based on it, you can easily get to where he is at or even surpass him by giving off the correct energy/attitude. The reason that this wasn't happening was because he was giving off comparatively superior energy than you, which is probably due to the fact that you lowered yourself under him by acknowledging his superiority.

 

[Ronnie Poleman]

Schwank, I can identify with you a bit because my roommate IS a male model who acts as well!

Instead of focusing on the negative attributes, (in comparison he will be better looking, more attractive to the ladies) focus on the positives (ace wingman). When I went to a club with my roommate, he introduced me to some HB10's, and the fact that I was his friend was social proof in a way, got a kiss close but nothing more, even still, it shows the benefits of a good looking friend.

In your case it is family, this guy is your cousin, so he will definitely look out for you! Ask if he can set you up with a hot friend of his / friend of his girlfriend + double date!

 

[Warrior74]

One of my friends is like that. Tall good looking guy, can usually get interest from any 10 in the room. But...he's a drug addict and convict and violent. Girls love him at first until they really get to know him.

Would I hang out with him? Oh hell yah. He's the life of the party, meet tons of girls when I go out with him...downside, he's quick to get in fights and other criminal bull****. When I was younger I was his constant wingman. Met loads of people, learned how to be more outgoing and how to have a "don't give a fvck, lets have fun attitude". But Now that I'm older with responsiblities, no...I can't be getting in bar fights and going to jail with his ass. I got a kid and business to think about.

Guys like that are great for learning from. Everything from the right attitude, how to dress, how to treat women, how to socialize and act. Adopt what you can, get your ass in the gym for the next 3 years and build up your own clout.

 

[nismo-4]

Going out with another guy and having girls give him all the attention and love is never good for you. But having social proof is always good.

There is always someone in this world who is better than you in some way, and there is always someone in this world who is worse than you in some way.

Work this situation to your favor. Can you get the guy to set you up with one of these women? You have social proof, which is a good thing. But you have to shine somehow since your looks are overshadowed.

Watch what you can learn from this dude.

Read my sig and apply it.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

Play your own game. You look at hot girls when you're out, don't you? Does that mean if another girl came up to you, you wouldn't react at all?

I have some ripped/"attractive" friends . . it makes no difference when I'm out with them. Hell it probably makes me better (that feeling of social proof).

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Wow, there's actually some truth circulating in this "Looks matter/don't matter" thread for a change. How refreshing to hear from people who actually know what they are talking about, and contributing real advice.

Before this thread gets closed or deleted somewhere around page 7 or 8, I think we should make the distinction between physical attraction and ATTRACTION. These two things are very different for women and are commonly equated with one another. A girl flipping her hair in front of your friend doesn't mean that she's "lusting" after him, or he could bang her no problem. This simply means she thinks he has a symmetrical face (and by your description, a decent physique). Once he opens his mouth, that's when the game starts.

Don't worry about your looks in comparison with that of other dudes. You'll be fine. 93% (out of some 4,000 women surveyed) of women would rather be with an average looking guy with a great personality than a great looking guy with a crap personality. This is the result of about 150,000 years of evolution. Focus on your game, confidence, and portraying a masculine, sexual image through both verbal and non-verbal cues. Leave the endless obsessing over looks to the ladies and the gays. And you're not gay, are you man? I didn't think so.

 

[Iceberg]

I'd rather go out on a weekend night with my good-looking, cool friends than my goofball, out of shape friends. I think girls would rather talk to a guy rolling with a pack of cool dudes than a guy from a pack of misfits. And besides, when one of my team is doing well with girls, then we all tend to. It's not like we're walking around stealing from each other. Girls roll in packs, and so do we.

But with that said, it's all up to you. You can't blame any potential dating woes on hanging out with your cousin. If you're making the right moves on a girl, she'll like you more. Looks only get you so far.

 

[Amazing]

Its funny when I walk with my friend who is 6"8

I am good looking, he is tall. So every girl looks at both of us - and then we joke about who she wants more.

Personality is the meat behind the looks front. You can lure them in with his looks and then talk your way into their pants.

remember this quote?

give me 10 minutes to talk away my bad looks and I'll bed the Queen of France.

 

[Lexington]

This is a great opportunity for you. You can use your cousin's good looks and the fact that he has a girlfriend to your advantage. He could wing for you, and since he's your cousin, I'd imagine he'd be more than happy to do so.

Let him reel a group of girls in. He can chat up one of them while you charm another one from the group with your million dollar personality. Your cousin can get your foot in the door and then allow you to work your magic from there.

As others have said, there is more to attraction that just pure looks. Only a very small percentage of men are good looking enough that they can get women with their looks alone. The rest of us have to use our personality, wealth, power etc. Looks are only one form of value. They are great in that they make your job a lot easier, but they are by no means the only thing you've got to work with.

 

[BigJimbo]

Schwank, I can identify with you a bit because my roommate IS a male model who acts as well!

Instead of focusing on the negative attributes, (in comparison he will be better looking, more attractive to the ladies) focus on the positives (ace wingman). When I went to a club with my roommate, he introduced me to some HB10's, and the fact that I was his friend was social proof in a way, got a kiss close but nothing more, even still, it shows the benefits of a good looking friend.

In your case it is family, this guy is your cousin, so he will definitely look out for you! Ask if he can set you up with a hot friend of his / friend of his girlfriend + double date!

Gay. Male model and acts. :crackup:

 

[Prodigy746]

There is always going to be someone bigger, better looking, stronger etc.

You are probably gaining social proof by hanging with him, you got to look at it like that. Would he not be the perfect wingman for you? He is taken which means any girls the both of you approach are yours for the taking. Always look at the positives instead of focusing on how he is better looking and gets more attention than you.

Who wants to be king of the losers or part of a cool group of good looking, socially adept men?

Anyway I have seen girls all over ugly guys. Your looks are only a limiting belief if you make them one. I am a decent looking muscular guy and there are plenty of times when I have been outshone by a smaller, worse looking guy.

I agree with this 100% ... It could be a very good thing that you are hanging out with good looking people

plus it would be kind of shallow not to hangout with you cousin just because he looks better than you and gets all the attention.

 

[Falcon25]

Key to women;
1) Good Looks
2) Money
3) Power of authority, popularity, having something they want
4) Game

If you don't have the first three, better have the 4th one.

 

[COD]

nothing worse than all FLASH AND NO SUBSTANCE...............

i find hot chics have the most drama..........and they aint always the best between the sheets.

it aint fair that good looking people get instant acceptance.........but life aint fair.......HENCE THE REASON "GAME" WAS CREATED.

It seems like the good looking beautiful people would be awesome........cause we are on the outside looking in...........in reality...........they really aint all that. Some are annoying, vain, superficial, high maintenance, low intelligence, etc.........the list goes on and on.

Find your own attribute and make it work for you. Being born (rich, good looking, strong, tall, etc) and being SELF MADE and becoming more than what your are born with is the key.

The truly great people I admire, are ones that overcome a huge setback and still manage to continue along Life's Journey. Relying on your looks is soooooo limiting, like Mystery says.........WHAT DO good looking people do when they encounter other good looking people. Now theres a few good looking men in the club or worse someone even better looking than them..........NOW WHAT.

U gotta bring something more than just your looks and if U aint got looks you had better be focussing on your peronality.

 

[Ease]

You shouldn't have spent all 4 days together, you have to keep a little mystery. Max 2 dates a week.

You should have neg him on his personality or opened with a 'what else do you have going for you' question.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Key to women;
1) Good Looks
2) Money
3) Power of authority, popularity, having something they want
4) Game

If you don't have the first three, better have the 4th one.

Haven't read the DJ Bible yet, huh? Yeah. It's cool, dude. I remember when I didn't know shit about women, either. I don't think I got QUITE as many posts as you have though, before I read it.

Honestly though? Confidence. Number 1. Having a symmetrical face isn't even on the radar. Women aren't visual creatures.

 

[Falcon25]

A good looking guy will never have problems laying women
A rich man will never have problems laying women
A man who has something a woman needs will never have problems laying women
Finally, a confident, ugly, short, bald man MAY not have problems laying women.

Life is a lot easier, when it comes to women, if you have the first three. You don't need a DJ bible to figure that out. The fact that you NEEDED the Djbible to get women, is proof in itself. The three that I mentioned up there, don't need anything but a half ass personality to go with it.