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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
I don't believe in diversification

Those sound like famous last words. The real estate market will not keep booming forever. In the late 90's, every stock milionaire thought that his gains would last forever. If those people had diversified, they would still have something left today. But they made all of their money with tech stocks and it seemed silly to put money into anything else. When an investment keeps going up and up, it's great to be along for the ride, but nothing goes straight up forever.

With one big hurricane and an insurance company default, all of your money could disappear. Why take the unnecessary risk of losing it all? I have seen so many stock traders lose all of their money. This country probably has more former millionaires than millionaires. Easy come, easy go. Don't let that be your story, too.
Real estate sure wont last forever, any seriously educated investor knows this.

With the highly aging population, where do you think they will get their money from? They will sell their investment properties, flooding the market with supply, and a shortage in demand in relative terms.

Result, large fall in real estate prices. A similar scenario took place years back in Japan, where real estate fell by nearly 50% as I am aware. Could quiet easily happen anywhere in the world.

Anybody knows low diversification ------------> high risk!
 

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Originally posted by Luveno
Sounds great, but the million dollar question I have is:

Where do you start?
Start by reading about it like Str8up said, but also make sure you have a source of income to show lenders and in the meantime get your credit to where it should be.

If you do all that, you should be ready to move on it in 6 months to a year. This is the plan that I'm following.
 

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Originally posted by Page
Start by reading about it like Str8up said, but also make sure you have a source of income to show lenders and in the meantime get your credit to where it should be.

If you do all that, you should be ready to move on it in 6 months to a year. This is the plan that I'm following.
Although the income thing certainly does help, I wouldn't concentrate on this too much since in the beginning you will have to physically work for this income and that can drastically take away from your investing. When you get to a point where your assets are providing you with a nice income then you have it made.

I would recommend concentrating on finding creative ways to borrow without a big income. The bank always wants to see more than you can show anyways.
 

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There isn't right or wrong with diversification, and it CAN be de-wors-ification in some instances. Many investors diversify throughout the market, but have NO clue what they're in. It's ok to diversify, IF, you know what you're going into.

And there's Macro Diversification, where you diversify among asset classes, and Micro Diversification where you diversify WITHIN the asset class itself. Within asset class diversification mitigates, risk, sort of. In theory, but the theory of diversification is generally built upon the fact INVESTORS DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO WATCH THEIR INVESTMENTS.

It's for the 401(k) fiends, or IRA clients, or the ROTH investors. It's for the people who are SO into theit company ESOP that their retirement is 100% into the company they work for, BUT THEY DO NOT OWN THAT COMPANY.

I met a wealthy Gentleman in CT, who's PRIMARY income source was advising the middle class on retirement. He did what he could here and built a company GROSSING $3,000,000. He went rampant for 5 years, working weekends, meeting 10-15 people per day. A truly maddening pace.

When all was said and done, he took his cash and invested in property, of all kinds. He bought a farm that produced tobacco. Some other buildings, and so forth. The 1 thing I remember him telling me was that "No millionaire, no businessman, ever made his BIG money by investing it anywhere but in himself. I spent my years RE-investing in my business, and then in areas I knew and understood well as to mitigate the risk as best I could."

That hit me, much like you'd read in the millionaire next door.

We could argue all day on the semantics of investing and diversification, but truly, if you know what you're doing, THERE'S ALWAYS money to be made. EVEN in the stock market. Think about it. If you learn a methodology of trading, you could go long OR short, and there are ALWAYS companies making UPWARD progress, even in down markets.

To me, being on the middle man perspective of it, diversification is for the "Average Investor" that doesn't know their craft. I would say you need IDLE cash, and it's good to have a portfolio of securities, since there are things you CANNOT do, but would I place a substantial piece of my money in areas I DO NOT DIRECTLY KNOW ABOUT? Heck no. It just happens I know how to check stocks out. On the flip hand, I like R/E and am learning that. I intend to utilize both going forward.

I just wouldn't get out to dumping money into Mutual Funds earning 8% or something, when you could LEARN to buy healthy stocks earning more, or you could easily earn 10% IN R/E if you know how.

My thoughts...


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Originally posted by CLOONEY
Real estate sure wont last forever, any seriously educated investor knows this.

With the highly aging population, where do you think they will get their money from? They will sell their investment properties, flooding the market with supply, and a shortage in demand in relative terms.

Result, large fall in real estate prices. A similar scenario took place years back in Japan, where real estate fell by nearly 50% as I am aware. Could quiet easily happen anywhere in the world.

Anybody knows low diversification ------------> high risk!
I've been in real estate all my short life. I don't see how real estate won't last forever? I work throughout nearly the entire New York (the 5 boroughs).

Throughout history, it was mostly about real estate and war over land. Even now as I speak, the war in Middle East, the Eastern Asia war (Israel giving back to the "rightful owner", China wanting to take "back" Taiwan), etcetc.

Don't go into politics. The point is, that's exactly what it is about. Land. Real estate. Housing.

Yes, the aging population will try to sell... and then die off (no offense meant to any elders or old guys here). Well think about it CLOONEY, what happens? The young'ns will try to buy it of course!

Last week I saw a beautiful house being built (I thought it was a church but it's not) and a couple wanted to buy it from the developer (the project will be done in a couple of weeks, those living in Bay Ridge knows what I'm talking about, near King's Highway and stretches down to Bay Ridge (actually there are many of this, it's a pretty new architectural design!), it's 3-houses long, that's how big it is). They didn't mind the price (I hear $1,000,000? Pretty cheap for a house as beautiful as that). I might even purchase it myself although I don't really need 4-5 bedrooms.

In fact, real estate is so good right now I may just move out of New York and live in a quiet home elsewhere. This might just be me though because I've gotten people telling me "day-um, you are one damn good investor" I've been told I should be competing with Trump (as a compliment I assume :D ).

I told them I can't because he's a developer and I'm an investor.

So maybe that's why I can easily make money no matter the market. Bulls or bears, bring it.

Check this out, I have a company asking me to buy houses. That's how good my life is now. It pretty much fall into my lap.

(Stupid imageshack - The file you attempted to upload is 1330 kilobytes.)

So here's another one.

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I can buy it for $80k in fact. I'm confident of my ability to get it MUCH lower or if not, much higher. I can easily get an appraised value of $200k since he got his number from Bank of America.

Anyone in Georgia want it? :D I think I love NY too much.

Pst pst... is Hiram a good quiet place?

The thing (and difference) is this, Japan doesn't follow the Old English Real Estate Laws that the western nation follows. Hey, maybe it does but I just don't think it does when it comes to the nations in Asia.

Yea, if you're talking about a bubble, I'll tell you right now, that WON'T happen (at least not in my areas). I'll tell you that much, I already did the math.

Have fun! I wanna read some books.

PS - When you said any seriously educated; what? Like stock investors?
PPS - Yea that email is today's. :D
 

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Originally posted by A-Unit
To me, being on the middle man perspective of it, diversification is for the "Average Investor" that doesn't know their craft. I would say you need IDLE cash, and it's good to have a portfolio of securities, since there are things you CANNOT do, but would I place a substantial piece of my money in areas I DO NOT DIRECTLY KNOW ABOUT? Heck no. It just happens I know how to check stocks out. On the flip hand, I like R/E and am learning that. I intend to utilize both going forward.

That is so true, about the average investor. They did a study that showed that an average investor owned 4 buildings in their lifetime. Only 4?!!?!??

It's everywhere, not just stock investing A-Unit, it's also in bond investing and foreclosures as well as general real estate investment properties found everywhere else. People think you need a primary job, not a business, not an investment, but a job.

A-Unit, convince & teach me to invest in stocks (for long term; must be positive) and I'll teach you how to make a good $10,000 in one hour. :) Get your ass on AIM now!
 

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Pride comes before a fall. Investors who think that they are invincible to loss are the most vulnerable. One of the signs of a bubble, btw, is when it looks like there is free money lying around everywhere. I have seen all of this happen with stocks, and I refuse to believe that it cannot happen to all the new real estate millionaires. Diversification is not a conspiracy. It is what investors do when they have been around long enough to have learned their lesson the hard way.
 

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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
Diversification is not a conspiracy. It is what investors do when they have been around long enough to have learned their lesson the hard way.
I still totally disagree.

It is only the average investors who hold down full time jobs and don't want to spend their free time perfecting the art and science of investing that should heed this advice.

I make outrageous returns on my money not because of luck or the current state of the market. I make large returns because I have resources backing me up, I have connections, and I have enough experience to recognize value when other people do not.

The average investor wants to be like my ex girlfriend.......they want to let someone else worry about it while they concentrate on making enough money to pay their bills next month. She came to me for advice in picking funds for her 401k. I told her I don't know sh!t about that. So instead of investigating for herself she asks her boss to pick them for her. A year later I asked her what funds she was in and what kind of return they had given and she was clueless. The only thing she knew was that her 401k was worth more than one of her co-workers who had been working there longer than she had. That's the kind of person who needs diversification. The one who wants their money to be on autopilot.

I am involved with my investments every day. I don't have a job that distracts me. I focus on watching the market for positive and negative information and I react accordingly. Of course I don't have a crystal ball, but being involved on a daily basis is the next best thing and will yield a much higher return on your money.
 

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And another thing......

I am assuming that you are speaking more from experience in the stock market than in real estate.

The thing about the stock market- I don't care how many p/e ratios and earnings rpojections and whatnot you analyze, it all comes down to guessing whether or not you are going to make or lose money. Stocks are a convenient investment tool, but are very hands-off compared to business and real estate. If you aren't a high ranking exec or on the board of directors you are really rolling the dice with stocks. To speak of a seasoned real estate investor as being the same as a part time stock jockey is comparing apples to oranges. Two completely different animals.
 

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I make outrageous returns on my money not because of luck or the current state of the market.

Your returns are only possible because of the outrageous state of the market. Your failure to see that is actually very "average." You are riding highly leveraged investments through a rising bubble. The market is making you money more than you are. This is all great, but keep your perspective and your humility. Those two traits will help you see when the good times are over and it's time to take some money off the table. I'm talking about the psychology behind investing, which is the same for any variable investment. When the Nasdaq hit 5000, the people riding it upward told me all of the same things that you are telling me. Real estate may not crash as quickly as the Nasdaq, but nothing can streak upward in value forever without correction.
 

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I like the creative thought here, so I'm not condeming anyone's ideas. Let's keep them rolling. Sifer, I'll get to you some how on AIM. It hasn't worked properly.


On Investing...

I've battled back n forth with this idea. Some investors, top investors, such as the Group of TurtleTraders and even Jesse Livermore believed in going ahead UNTIL the investment no longer performed as well as expected. The problem MOST investors have is in KNOWING a top or bottom. They might pull too early or too late.

It's not a precise science.

There are those investors who could buy a stock that doubles quickly, feel it's topped out, and remove half the profit so as to 'diversify' only to put it in a stock that performs not quite as well or goes down.

It happens. Anyone not thinking GOOG or AAPL or TIE could go up as much or as strong found themselves LOSING out on incredible gains.

GOOG has gone from 85 to 475 or so.
TIE has gone from 2 to 75 or so, while splitting twice, too.

SOME advisors, licensed advisors would say "Dump it, it's gapped up, it's gone up too fast."

TurtleTraders would say, "Ride the trend until a significant turn occurs.

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Here's a theory that applies MOSTLY in stock investing but could be spread across other arenas. It was garnered from many sources, but FEW investors go that route.

It's about Pyramiding profits. In investing, traditionally, it's heresy. But for the elite investors, it's how incredible gains are racked up.

TurtleTraders would get in to an investment, as would Jesse Livermore. If it went up 10%, they'd contribute MORE capital. If it went up ANOTHER 10% they'd contribute more. And so on. They'd keep going. Each step of the way they RATCHET up the stop point of where a loss is acceptable. Yes, your exposure to 1 company increases, but so does your overall return, which is what we are out for.

Otherwise, you take the gambling view, put $1,000 into a bunch of stocks and PRAY a few go up, and some go down, and some stay flat. Buffett would say that capital is too precious for such things.

Buffett didn't pull money from successful investments, he just never COMMITTED more money to an overly exuberant market. The same would hold true, IF, you knew such things when the market seemed to top out in the late 90's, and 00'.

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One could say...

Those are the super-rich, pro's, what worked for them, might not work here, now.
Not true. To be LIKE the rich, or pro's, you have to IMITATE them.

NOW, I'll say this, IF I had profits made in my current investment, to diminish risk, I'd take SOME of the profits and deploy them elsewhere, IF I knew the next investment was worth it.

Both Robert Kiyosaki AND Benjamin Graham supports the idea of "Margin of Safety", where when you buy some investment X, you know the profit was essentially built in that day. That the profit, or appreciation isn't hope, or perception, but reality.

It'd be like buying a house YOU KNOW is below market, in a rising market. Or buy Coca-Cola down 50% of it's AVERAGE price. Or buying Berkshire Hathaway down 30%. You know the value is there, only the market killed it somewhat.

Why would you do that?

Let's say I but Stock X, with $1,000, and it goes to $10,000, which can happen very easily. If you sell NOW you face Income Taxes because you sold under 1 year. BUT, let's say you use $5,000 to plunk down on income producing property. The money was garnered out of nowhere, and yes, taxes must be paid on the 5k of gain you have, BUT, I assume MOST investors aren't in the top tax bracket, and when they get there, they'd exercise BETTER tax and legal advice than just dumping a stock. On that SAME stock, you COULD use a margin loan to buy the property. VERY VERY risk, since the loan is out, the property BETTER be able to pay itself OR you better have cash available, because if your stock goes down, you could get a margin call.

They're all forms of creative buying and selling, BUT, it can work. And the better you are, the more you make.

Alot of people LIVE for Cap Gains in purchasing, but it's INCOME that we desire in the future and NOW. If you have a property or income producing instrument, the underlying asset incurs appreciation, as well as some inflation hedge on the income itself.

I'm learning R/E more and more each day, but getting it done is different. I know the principles, concepts, and some laws, but not as versed as Sifer or STR8UP.

All food for thought.




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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
Your returns are only possible because of the outrageous state of the market. Your failure to see that is actually very "average." You are riding highly leveraged investments through a rising bubble. The market is making you money more than you are. This is all great, but keep your perspective and your humility. Those two traits will help you see when the good times are over and it's time to take some money off the table. I'm talking about the psychology behind investing, which is the same for any variable investment. When the Nasdaq hit 5000, the people riding it upward told me all of the same things that you are telling me. Real estate may not crash as quickly as the Nasdaq, but nothing can streak upward in value forever without correction.
How is it average? Give us a statistic, a report, something so we know you don't mean that "nowadays anyone can profit in real estate, just simply dump a down payment and one year later, viola, a million dollars!"

Here's a Wall Street saying you will recognize and many other stock investors will recognize:

Bears make money, bulls make money, pigs get slaughtered.

If you know how, no matter what happens, what the market is, you'll make money --- if you're a typical investor you WILL get slaughtered. This doesn't matter if it's gold investing or stock investing or real estate investing. The principles of economy works everywhere.

You sound like you're describing a bears market. What happens when you see a bear? Supposedly you do nothing and feign dead. In a market, be it real estate or stocks, you're supposed to "do nothing". That's the average people's way of approaching things. That's why they say bears make money and bulls make money but not average investors. They become pigs and get slaughtered (ie; lose money and bankrupt as soon as the economy bites the dust).

Another way to look at it. Let me ask you Bible_Belt. When was the last time a bubble blew? It NEVER blew except during the Great Depression (before World War II). That was the ONLY time we had a real estate bubble. Seriously, when else? Real estate go down, it's called depreciation but it never pop from a bubble.

I'm sure this occurs in stocks but in real estate, when was the last time you heard a property literally disappear off of the balance sheet?

How about this, when was the last time you lived through a time of depression? Or even gone through a world war? A depression is as rare as a world war. It only happens every once in a LONG while. And if you're saying there's another world war coming, PM me. I'd like to hear about that (I'm always up for another round of doomsday :D ).

Point is, it won't happen and if it does, it's usually occuring to declining neighborhoods. Even Harlem (and I work in NY, remember this) is getting better, in fact, broken buildings are rising, they plan on rebuilding the 911 headquarter (and to think that I used to go to school really close to the 911 area). I mean, c'mon, Harlem? Who would've thought a warzone filled with gangsters could become rebuilt? It's much safer, crime in Harlem are much lower, even Bronx is revitalizing.

And they say a bubble will occur. You know who says a bubble will occur? Stock investors. I see it everywhere, stock investors hate real estate investors and real estate investors hate stock investors. It's like an enigma.

Who says there'll be a bubble? Warren Buffet? Sure.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/01/news/fortune500/buffett_talks/?cnn=yes

But Warren Buffet is the same guy who said there will be a possible terrorist attack. C'mon, when was the last time you got attacked by a terrorist? The last time I got hit by one was 4 years ago in 2001 when I was running with everybody from the falling towers.

No politics talk but the point is, real estate bubble is just scare talk. I don't really know why but it's like people saying "this is it, 2006, Jesus Christ is coming". In fact, someone told me, "this is it, damn I love you Sifer, in 6/6/06, the rapture is coming... it's really coming... ohmygosh..." It happens every year.

You're right though, real estate can crash but only a PARTICULAR building. We call that "reconstruction". Otherwise values can stay stagnant or even depreciate but NEVER crash in terms of stock market or like it.

A-Unit says...
Not true. To be LIKE the rich, or pro's, you have to IMITATE them.


I personally disagree. Why? Simple, imitation is suicide. You never walk in the same path the king did. That is, be a maverick. All of real estate investors, famous ones like Sam Zell were extremely different from the typical investors. You need to be extremely different from the mass, doing things the majority will say "holy ****, you're taking a huge risk!" I dropped out of school and pursued real estate and I bought deals many others ditched, such as middle class real estate with values that are stagnating for 3-6 months. I traded them and that's how I profit (in one area).

I saw it as opportunities and people saw it as risk. Perspective sure make a difference.

Donald Trump works on deals that are too big for any of us to handle, even he admits it in his book Art of the Deal. He says he'll do it big no matter what kind of snag he get. He'll also do it unconventionally or do things untraditional. Hey, that's why he's a maverick.

Maybe you still got that stock investing heart in ya A-Unit. :D

Bible_Belt is right though. Humility is still important. Even if you are a trillionaire.
 

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Stock does not work like real estate.

You cannot change stock like you can with real estate.

You cannot negotiate price in stock like you can with real estate.

You cannot get a big loan for stock like you can for real estate.

You cannot KNOW how much you'll get on your returns in stocks unlike real estate which you generally KNOW (except in God's will, when there's an earthquake or tsunami, in which case... ah what the heck, people's lives are at stake then, stop worrying about your pile of broken house and go help those poor guys!).

You cannot maintain your stock like you can with your real estate.

You can send chocolates to the company you invest in and say "please do well, my brother, please..." but you can do the same in real estate too. My soon-to-be partner (I'm getting a new one, my other one is moving out of state to live with his girlfriend [or soon-to-be wife]) told me he sends a card and a chocolate on occasions like birthday and holidays. That helps.

I see stock good if you're GOOD in it, like A-Unit. If you were to give me a market in DOW or NASDAQ, I'll just be stumped and say "um... uh... well... let's see... eeni meenie.... minie... wait I dont' like how this letter is spelled... moe... ok so $100 it is" whereas I am more sure A-Unit can easily analyze that $100 stock and laugh at me for my incompetence in stocks. :cheer: <--- I would look like this when I invest in stock. I would be speculating.

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Stock does not work like real estate.

I agree. They are different markets. But the psychology of speculation is the same in both.

And just for the sake of friendly debate,

You cannot change stock like you can with real estate.


Actually, liquidity is the number one disadvantage of real estate and the number one advantage of widely-traded securities. My average "investment" in the Nasdaq stock market spanned a time frame of less than a minute.

You cannot negotiate price in stock like you can with real estate.


"Negotiation" with stocks is buying when most people are selling. The bid/offer system is such that every trade is actually a successful negotiation between a buyer and a seller.

You cannot get a big loan for stock like you can for real estate.

Leverage is fun:) (not always smart, but still fun). Initial margin for most people is 50%, meaning you can finance half of the price. However, if you pass the licensing tests, they will trust you with more margin, and if you are either a broker/dealer or a trusted friend/employee of one you get even more. 90% margin is common for intraday positions. As another option, the futures markets are inherently more leveraged than stocks.

The real estate market is booming right now, which is in part why there are real estate threads on sosuave. Six or seven years ago, there would have been a bunch of stock-picking threads. I am all for taking full advantage of all opportunities. But everyone is an expert when times are good. The speculators who survive market fluctuations are the ones who adapt the fastest when things change, which they will eventually. The ones who think that it was their own brilliance that was responsible for their new fortune stick with the old methods that made them money even after they stop working and quickly lose their new money. The market, any market, gives different opportunities at different times. Smart investors take what the market will give and ride it for all it's worth. But when things change, they find something else that the market is giving. Gains are given by the market, not generated by anyone's individual brilliance. When times are good, this does not mean much. But when the market changes, humility is key to survival.
 

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Whoa dude, you make real estate and stock picking sound like picking cherry! It's not that easy man. Real estate investing and stock investing is a profession, like any other profession.
 

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Why would you do that?

Let's say I but Stock X, with $1,000, and it goes to $10,000, which can happen very easily.
which fvcking world do you live in????

find me a stock with a 15% chance of going up 1000%, and I will bring you fvcking millions tomorrow.

you guys should like stick to talking about broads that you can't get or something.



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Bible_Belt

Whoa dude, you make real estate and stock picking sound like picking cherry! It's not that easy man. Real estate investing and stock investing is a profession, like any other profession.
no sh!t, right?


thats why i say once again, this is a board for discussing broads, not attempting to give or receive investment advice.
 

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Investments go up all the time, MOST investors don't use a system THOUGH.

As stated before, I have my licenses, and had my ear to the grind stone for 8 years now, since college, or so.

Even the advisor from Smith Barney was using IBD to cherry pick stocks from his "approved" list nabbed 500% returns no problem.

Not saying it's easy, but it simple.

I recommended UARM to my friend, or Under Armour when it first came out. Right now it stands up 100%, from it's IPO. That I didn't even technically check out. 100% isn't 1000%, but it's on the way.

Google is up to. I'm not recommending ANYTHING right now, but I do appreciate the insight, and I'll talk with Sifer off board to get more indepth on investing.

As far as WHY, because I don't care about broads. They come and go. Friends stay. Money stays. Pvssy is pvssy. And I've had my share of beautiful women, good women, and good times, so I'm all set. I find more pleasure and depth in investing, not for riches, but because it's fun to win in it, plan, and talk about it. That's why.

Anybody who doesn't like it, I'd suggest not looking at the thread. It does no good to disagree on investing, because it's VERY VERY personal. Someone could day trade, while others are good trend traders, or even buy and holders, like Buffett, who reforms companies. Same with R/E, plus I don't argue about topics I'm not working on or in. And arguing does nothing, I'd rather further my awareness on the topic than bicker.



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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
I make outrageous returns on my money not because of luck or the current state of the market.

Your returns are only possible because of the outrageous state of the market. Your failure to see that is actually very "average." You are riding highly leveraged investments through a rising bubble. The market is making you money more than you are. This is all great, but keep your perspective and your humility. Those two traits will help you see when the good times are over and it's time to take some money off the table. I'm talking about the psychology behind investing, which is the same for any variable investment. When the Nasdaq hit 5000, the people riding it upward told me all of the same things that you are telling me. Real estate may not crash as quickly as the Nasdaq, but nothing can streak upward in value forever without correction.
Shame, shame, shame.

This is the problem. You simply make the assumption that anyone who is making money in real estate is rolling the dice and hoping for the best. I have been working with ever increasing sums of capital (borrowed and earned) for over 10 years. You really think I would recklessly throw around millions of dollars on a crapshoot?

Let's put it this way. We purchased a restaurant building last year for $750k. Just the other day we got an offer on the table for $1.5mil. Has nothing to do with the market going crazy, this is commercial RE. We spotted an opportunity to buy a building on a main artery that is in the middle of serious road construction. Now that the road is nearly finished we have potential buyers and tenants coming out of the woodwork.

My condos ALL have lots of equity. We bought them when we could see value that wasn't readily apparent to others. It was speculation, but we have connections and information that allows us to make educated guesses as to what things are going to do.

It's not a s simple as, "everyone who is making money in real estate is only doing so because the market is going crazy". Please, give credit where credit is due.
 

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Originally posted by Egoist
find me a stock with a 15% chance of going up 1000%, and I will bring you fvcking millions tomorrow.
You have to look closer how stock can give you 1000%.
Start with looking at stock below $5. There are plenty of them. Some will go up and split a couple of time. If you catch thsi early when the stock goes to $50-100 you will have your 1000% retrun.

The problem is there are too many of such stocks.. we can't bet even on most of them.


Ok, here is a practical example: XMSR and SIRI.

One will win in terms of standards and I believe will eat the other company. The winner will go up a lot. But I don't know which them win and when. Would you bet even $10k on any of them now?
You would probably say "ahh.. tehy do not promise much now". right. Thats why they have a potential to go up 1000%, but now nobody wants to buy them since they are not even making profit.
 
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