For EVERY guy under 25 (hell, every guy) who has watched PORN

[MrJibbles]

A lot of PUAs seem to condone the idea of NOT jerking off, adhering to the idea that this will give a guy more incentive to release sexual tension through a girl rather than his hand. Many times, I hear that the longer you go without masturbating, the more testosterone builds up in your system. This is actually a myth. Orgasm releases both testosterone and adrenaline into your system. In that case, masturbation should actually HELP your game, not ruin it. Besides, the longer you go without sexual release, the more desperate you get, which will obviously result in possible AFC relapse.

That being said, I agree that watching porn can be harmful to one's game. Porn is usually extreme, unrealistic, pure entertainment. Porn will teach you nothing about game. For example, in one scene I've watched, a MILF piano teacher is giving an "innocent" student lessons. Five minutes later, they're banging each other silly. This is not how attraction escalates in real life, but I'm sure there are plenty of kids out there who think this is the case. AFC virgins (such as myself) are likely to fall into this trap and completely mess up their game, because porn is all they know of sex.

I have also heard that watching porn is correlated with depression. I don't know the details of the study, and correlation does not always imply causation (perhaps depressed people are more likely to turn to porn to cope?), so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Either way, porn is a form of instant gratification. The idea of abstaining from masturbating, I believe, is actually good, at least in theory, because it promotes patience and self-discipline, which is vital to having sound game.

I would say, take it in moderation. Don't choke the chicken every day. Do it every two or three days, I'd say.

 

[TheMale]

A lot of PUAs seem to condone the idea of NOT jerking off, adhering to the idea that this will give a guy more incentive to release sexual tension through a girl rather than his hand. Many times, I hear that the longer you go without masturbating, the more testosterone builds up in your system. This is actually a myth. Orgasm releases both testosterone and adrenaline into your system. In that case, masturbation should actually HELP your game, not ruin it. Besides, the longer you go without sexual release, the more desperate you get, which will obviously result in possible AFC relapse.

try to jerk off just before you meeting your friend for a great night, you'll see how your energy level drop low, and your testosterone too.
for me it been something around 2 and half weeks that i didnt masturbate, and i'm feeling really great, i'm in a great shape and i'm feeling sexual in my interaction, long short story i'm getting more results

That being said, I agree that watching porn can be harmful to one's game. Porn is usually extreme, unrealistic, pure entertainment. Porn will teach you nothing about game. For example, in one scene I've watched, a MILF piano teacher is giving an "innocent" student lessons. Five minutes later, they're banging each other silly. This is not how attraction escalates in real life, but I'm sure there are plenty of kids out there who think this is the case. AFC virgins (such as myself) are likely to fall into this trap and completely mess up their game, because porn is all they know of sex.

agree

Either way, porn is a form of instant gratification.

you can see that that way, like, 'if i dont get any chick tonight i still have my porn video so i can jerk off on that, dont really need the chick'
but it's not the right way, it's just a reason for you to stay lazy !

The idea of abstaining from masturbating, I believe, is actually good, at least in theory, because it promotes patience and self-discipline, which is vital to having sound game.

I would say, take it in moderation. Don't choke the chicken every day. Do it every two or three days, I'd say.

that's my opinion

 

[TheMale]

double post

you can delete it !

 

[dutchmaster]

I haven't watched porn in 2-3 years, but now I'm trying not to jack off at all. Once a week at most for the past 2 months and the results are great. I feel much more sexual when talking to girls and they respond well. I have more energy, and I've had much more motivation to actually go on dates and talk to b!tches

 

[Sneevox]

I do believe masturbation and porn addiction is quite like cocaine addiction in that the neuro-receptor-sites in your brain may shut off because they believe that you get enough dopamine in a repetetive manner, so they don't need to be there.

At that, the brain can become addicted to anything due to JUST THAT, so if porn supplies dopamine, you will become addicted to it. You begin to subconsciously associate porn with a dopamine and keep going back to it.

It does make sense that quitting porn and masturbation would cause depression. The receptor sites in your brain for dopamine are shut off, so what would normally make you happy does not because you are not able to get the amount of dopamine that your brain wants you to get from it.

If you don't understand, look at it this way. Say you eat some ice cream, right? It's fvcking GOOD. 5 dopamine. You buy a new watch or shirt. It's so cool looking! 7 dopamine. You masturbate. It feels fvcking amazing. 50 dopamine. You got more dopamine from masturbation than anything.

"Okay, no biggy." says the brain.

But WAIT! Now you're jacking off EVERY night. You give your brain 50 dopamine every single night. What does your brain have to say about that?

"Pffff! I don't need all of these receptor sites! I only need one!"

Now you go and eat some ice cream. 2 dopamine.
Wait.. wait. What just happened? Yeah, you guessed it. You have subconsciously lowered the excitingness of ice cream because you have told your brain that it will get the needed dopamine from masturbation or porn. Look what ya did, ya fool!

Hope this helped.

 

[Sneevox]

I see you guys often advise DJ juniors to cut the masturbation. I myself am not that much of a masturbator, maybe once in 3 days and I do agree that it shouldn't be done on daily basis. But I've seen guys talking how they stopped wanking and watching porn and making such a big deal out of it. Are there any noticable results of cutting it?

I actually think one should slap the monkey occasionally, that way it perhaps can be productive. I noticed that after not wanking for a while I become desperate and dreamy. It affects my daily socializing with chicks - I try harder not to mess up, over-analyze and we know that this is generally unattractive.

Can wanking actually be the way of releasing tension and keeping the beta thinking away from your everyday? If you don't over do it, I think yes.

Well, your testosterone levels do drop when you ejaculate. Not forever, of course. Just for a short time. It takes about a day for it to try and balance it out and about a week for it to completely balance out. That means there are no excessive levels of testosterone rushing through your body and brain when you stop jerking off, and when you jerk off daily and don't give it enough time to skyrocket the next day, your testosterone levels stay low. This means that not orgasming at all or orgasming every day are both bad.

I'm not saying that masturbation is good, either. You'll start giving yourself the idea that you don't need women to get testosterone and false sense of accomplishment when you masturbate, which leads to addiction, which leads to daily masturbation. You don't want that, now do you?

The best bet is to rely on women for orgasm, and if you absolutely can't but really need to bust out some tension, slap away.

 

[OptimumIndividual]

Porn kicks ass.

 

[ka_mate]

Porn kicks ass.

A different viewpoint to mine but I still respect it. Just wondering about your situation Optimum...

How old are you?
how long have you looked at porn?
Have you noticed an escalation in the 'hardcoreness' of the porn you watch?

 

[handle]

Great, this thread again...

 

[OptimumIndividual]

A different viewpoint to mine but I still respect it. Just wondering about your situation Optimum...

How old are you?
how long have you looked at porn?
Have you noticed an escalation in the 'hardcoreness' of the porn you watch?

LOL. This geeky bullsh*t is HILARIOUS. How about telling me how old you are.

 

[Gro0ver]

Very interesting topic and glad i stumbled upon it.

I came out of a long relationship in January where I was getting lots of sex, maybe 5 nights a week and then spanking the monkey probably 1 or 2 nights a week. Since I've been single i've been spanking that monkey 7 nights a week.

I've now cut down to 3x a week maximum and no more hardcore stuff - only pictures. I've been bringing out the old school mags (yeah they still exist). I think this is a lot healthier and i think the visualisation aspect could be beneficial to my mojo rather then just watching other people do it.

I feel better overall although i'm walking around with a lot more testosterone then what i'm used to. This will take some time to adjust....will report back in a few weeks.

I think going cold turkey is asking a bit much of your body and mind....i shudder to think what kind of animal I would become after 1 week let alone 1 month. I would end up desperate and banging mingers/psychopaths.

 

[BlueShift]

Cutting back all porn and masturbation won't lead to a high chance of success. Back a few months ago I realized I was only masturbating for stress management or to get to sleep. Hell, I wasn't even horny. I just wanted to have an orgasm. So I decided to curb my masturbating through eliminating porn and orgasms.

At first I decided to go cold turkey. No porn and masturbation. I lasted 17 days. The last 7 days of this I felt real good. I liked the feeling of being sexually charged and having a **** load of drive. Helped me focus on work, socialize naturally and have a lot more confidence. However, my brain screamed porn, and the chain was broken. After this I lasted 5 days, then 3 days.. And back to my old habit of 1-2 days.

I devised a new solution. It's extremely simple - I can watch porn ONLY if I already have an erection before hand, and I CAN NOT
orgasm before, during or after watching porn. This system is really working for me. My brain automatically conditioned porn use to orgasms. However, by watching porn and not having an orgasm my brain rewired itself. Without the 'reward' of an orgasm my brain doesn't feel the need for porn. Over time the linkage between porn and orgasms are broken down less and less - effect is less desire to watch porn and masturbate.

I love the feeling of extra testosterone, sexuality and confidence it brings. I strongly believe women do notice your drive and they are attracted to it. I hate the feeling of busting a nut, I feel lazy, unmotivated and have more anxiety. I don't even want to orgasm when I'm fooling around with my girlfriend.

But hey, this is just advice.

 

[ka_mate]

LOL. This geeky bullsh*t is HILARIOUS. How about telling me how old you are.

There is so much hate and knee-jerk reactions to insults on the internet that things turn into unintelligible slanging matches. All I am trying to do is understand your perspective and beliefs about this dude. I'm eighteen and started watching porn when I was twelve.

But hey, this is just advice.

Exactly, in the end we each have to make our own decisions about our views and it would be silly of me, or anyone, to believe that their view is the only correct viewpoint. I'm just offering an opinion which hopefully helps some guys out there.

I'm going to play devils advocate here...

you said "I devised a new solution. It's extremely simple - I can watch porn ONLY if I already have an erection before hand, and I CAN NOT
orgasm before, during or after watching porn. This system is really working for me. My brain automatically conditioned porn use to orgasms. However, by watching porn and not having an orgasm my brain rewired itself. Without the 'reward' of an orgasm my brain doesn't feel the need for porn. Over time the linkage between porn and orgasms are broken down less and less - effect is less desire to watch porn and masturbate."

I might be wrong but isn't watching porn and then not masturbating frustrating?

Okay, so if you are watching porn and not masturbating you are still viewing and processing the erotic images and videos. You are getting aroused by these images and your brain released dopamine which is a pleasure hormone aren't you desensitising your body to seeing naked women? If say you watch porn when you have to get an erection first, what if you get to the stage when you have to see thousands of women doing various sex acts to maintain it, won't this affect your ability to have actually sex with women?

The reason I would argue this is when you concluded

I don't even want to orgasm when I'm fooling around with my girlfriend.

 

[OptimumIndividual]

Ok, to answer your initial questions....

I'm 27. I've watched porn since I was 12. Has there been an escalation in "hardcoreness" as you call it? Of course. Few of us start out watching an anal gangbang. I like different genres of porn. I like some freaky sh*t but so what? I also like some softcore stuff, too. Porn doesn't control me. Sometimes I'll watch it while other times it just doesn't interest me. I am in the driver's seat, always.

I have other hobbies in my life. If you're jerking off several times a day, every day, find yourself some hobbies. Don't take it out on the porn. Porn, for me, has been a positive thing. Also, I'm totally content with being as horny as a jack rabbit. I'd take that everytime over being a 27-year old male with only a passing interest in getting my nut off.

One last thing....There's a lot of misinfo being spread about this topic (like "masturbating lowers testosterone for up to a week"). Rubbish. It's regurgitated propaganda of the porn-hating Christians and feminists. The same people who generations ago claimed that wanking causes blindness.

This is all YMMV. If you have a problem with porn then that's your problem. I'm perfectly happy the way I am.

 

[BlueShift]

I might be wrong but isn't watching porn and then not masturbating frustrating?

Okay, so if you are watching porn and not masturbating you are still viewing and processing the erotic images and videos. You are getting aroused by these images and your brain released dopamine which is a pleasure hormone aren't you desensitising your body to seeing naked women? If say you watch porn when you have to get an erection first, what if you get to the stage when you have to see thousands of women doing various sex acts to maintain it, won't this affect your ability to have actually sex with women?

The reason I would argue this is when you concluded "I don't even want to orgasm when I'm fooling around with my girlfriend."

It's not really frustrating, I'm not sitting there like a statue. I'm jacking off but there is no intention of having an orgasm.

It is releasing dopamine, there's no question about that. However, avoiding an orgasm decreases the value of the orgasmic reward hence resulting in less desire to use porn. Yes, there's still going to be a desire to watch porn occasionally, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, through other activities I replace the lost dopamine.

It's not a perfect solution, and it is desensitizing my body. It's just a stepping stone to curbing your porn use, that's all it is. Eventually my porn use will almost be unnecessary.

This is the key principle - A lot of desensitization comes from high porn use with a high orgasmic reward. However, in this method you trade this for less desensitization through less porn use with less reward as of no orgasm. As I said, this results in less and less need to watch porn. You can rewire your brain if you adopt the mindset which follows; no orgasm unless it's with a girl. And that's what I do when I feel like an orgasm. It's all about training yourself into a way of thinking.

Take a dog for example - It learns tricks through the reward of a treat. But if you take away that treat it's a hell of a lot harder to teach it tricks. The human brain has the same primitive reward system.

Also, I don't have any problems getting an erection or having an orgasm with my girlfriend. I simply don't like the way I feel for the next few days after an orgasm. If I feel like having an orgasm with her, sure I will.

 

[don't]

I"ve heard that the lack of regular ejaculation ups your chances of getting prostate cancer. Since I don't want any US women and am around a ton of them constantly, I see to it that there is no pressure built up. I have too many other things to do with my time and money than chase these screwed up *****es.

 

[anon92]

I started when I was probably 8 years old (pre puberty, just got hard)
started looking at porn at 13ish. Im 19 now and wish I never started looking at it. It wasn't until I decided to quit for 2 weeks that I met my first and current gf(and meeting her is what caused me to find this website in an effort to not lose her with my betaness).

I hope I didn't screw myself up permanently, I was looking at porn like 2-3 times daily.
I would keep on doing it even daily even though I had an enjoyment times that lasted about 2-3 seconds compared to 20-30 minutes of whacking it like a madman. I found myself looking at more and more discussing things (which I won't mention) in an effort to get my "high".

If you are at a crossroads right now determining if you should continue looking at porn, don't. I was always able to brush off any guilty feelings that I might have had and i didn't think I was addicted to it at all(I quit smoking, and other bad habits quite easily once I decided to actually commit, but porn is so much harder). I feel like that rat in the experiment that could get itself an orgasm/ extreme pleasure by pushing a button that sent an electrode to its brain, The rat eventually fried its brain from pushing the button a million times a second. Don't become this.

 

[cablecow15]

WebMD

Jan. 27, 2009 -- Frequent masturbation in young men is linked to higher risk of early prostate cancer, but it lowers prostate cancer risk for men in their 50s, a study shows.

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20090127/masturbation-and-prostate-cancer-risk

 

[cablecow15]

^hahah, that just owned so many people

indeed it did , but lets also notice that it says its a bad idea to go cold turkey as well .

 

[metoo]

obese is part of the overweight group. you don't add the 2. never heard of the difference betweenb union of sets and intersection of sets, eh?