Should we be the ones to constantly have to engineer creative conversation ? because it certainly feels like it
Yes absolutely yes. Unless the girl is an extremely interesting person or herself is skilled at engineering interesting conversation.
Don't ask her generic questions anyone would ask her, or you'll get generic job interview answers and discussions. Ask her something like "what's the craziest thing that's ever happened to you on the metro?"
I read a Reddit thread about that subject in my city and there's people who were just like "I saw a homeless guy smoking crack on the C train" or "I saw a crazy fight" or "I almost got stabbed by a hobo"
I was in a bar last night opened up a set HB5 & HB 7.5 ..... the 5 knew me and was friendly enough lots of hair playing and submission as you would expect the 7.5 who i didnt know was also giggling , hair tossing all usual female IOI's
But my god they were so boring .....we had to have a 30-45 min lecture about how badly men in previous relationships has treated them , then 30 min talk about HB7.5's work ( tax accounting ) yawn and then finally when HB7.5 started talking about star signs ( another female favourite topic ) she was telling me all about hers i was so bored i said oh yea " so what are (insert star sign) women like in bed ?
Everyone around the table was laughing but HB7.5 went coy and before i knew it we were back to talking about nonsense, I did make several attempts to switch conversation to a sexual tone with her but she just couldn't catch my vibe
It got to the point where i actually said to my wingman come on lets go
I know not all chicks are like this as i have met fun ones that will bounce off me but lately i am finding it so tiring going through all the rigmarole of small talk with women
Think a lot of them REALLY struggle to converse at a level above current / popular culture yet they all seem to want too " get to know you" before getting down to sex ..... its strange because it almost feels to me like women are just following these unwritten rules that seem to offer zero benefit for either party
If they're avoiding sexual conversation it could be
1. They're trying to friend zone you already
2. They're not going to talk about sex in front of a bunch of people to maintain their image.
And if you want to find interesting girls you need to define "interesting" and meet the girls who would fit that definition.
For example, if I pick up chicks at an arcade, I'll be very interested in talking about games with them. If I pick up chicks at a strip club, talking to them about sex, partying and drugs will be a blast, etc.