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Chest/Tris/Delts

Bench Press
6 x 105 lbs.
6 x 105 lbs.
5 x 110 lbs.

Incline Bench Press
6 x 95 lbs.
6 x 95 lbs
5 x 100 lbsl

Close Grip Bench Press
8 x 85 lbs.
6 x 95 lbs.
4 x 100 lbs.

Dips
6 reps
6 reps
5 reps

Shrugs
10 x 55 lbs.
5 x 60 lbs.
8 x 55 lbs.

Tried to go up to 60 lbs. on shrugs and my shoulders could take it, but my hands could not. Could someone recommend a better shoulder exercise to replace that with?

I didn't crank the weight on the presses because I didn't have a spotter and I didn't want to kill myself. The weights I did got me pretty well fatigued anyway, as you can see by the fact that my first sets usually had six instead of eight reps. I stopped when I felt unsure if I would be able to put the bar back on the rack the next time.

I was surprised at how many more dips I could do this time than before, though. Maybe I am making progress even though I've only gained maybe three pounds. I'm gonna eat like crazy this week now that I did the math and found how much I need to eat, and maybe I'll see a decent gain.
 

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This is my diet plan right now. It actually puts me a little above diesel's ranges, but I'm doubting I even could eat too much. Hopefully the formatting stays with the copy/paste..

Meal 1: Carb Prot Fat
Bowl of Raisin Bran 46 4 1
Glass of milk 24 16 0
2 Hard boiled eggs 0 12.5 10

Meal 2:
Oatmeal 54 10 6
Can of Tuna 0 32.5 1.25
Apple 17 0 0

Meal 3:
Oatmeal 54 10 6
Can of Tuna 0 32.5 1.25
Banana 51 2 1

Meal 4:
Subway* 98 52 17
Whey 2 34 3
(in milk) 24 16 0

Meal 5:
Oatmeal 81 15 9
Lunch Meat 1 12 7

Meal 6:
Peanut Butter 7 7 17
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Total: 459 255.5 79.5



Diesel's
Ranges: Carb 2-3 g x 145 = 290 - 435 g
Protein 1.3 - 1.5 g x 145 = 188.5 - 217.5 g
Fat .33-.5 g x 145 = 47.85 - 72.5 g

Possible Snacks:
Yogurt 33 6 2.5
Wheat bread 12 3 1
Lunch Meat 1 12 7
Apple 17 0 0
Orange Juice 27 2 0
Carrots ? my mom took them to work o_O

*Subway is foot long roasted chicken on honey oat bread with spinich, american cheese, and fat free honey mustard.
 

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My friend, your diet and workout routine could be much, much better. You're overtraining on what you're currently doing, especially as a beginner, and the pros will tell you - less is more! Your workouts are far too taxing for you to recover between them - and you only grow once you're recovered! You're not eating enough to grow either.

My suggestion is this:

Chest/Triceps/Shoulders
Incline barbell or dumbbell bench press
Incline flyes or weighted chest dips
Skullcrushers or close grip bench press
DB shoulder press or military press

Back/Biceps
Deadlift
Chin-ups or lat pulldown
Barbell row or db row or t-bar row
Barbell curl or db curl or preacher curl

Legs/Abs
Squats or leg press
Stiffed legged deadlifts or hamstring curls
Seated or standing calf raise
hanging leg raises or weighted crunches

I've offered alternatives in every exercise (except the deadlift, which I consider THE best exercise, perhaps more so than squats because I prefer deadlifts, lol) so that when you stagnate on one exercise you can swap it. Alternatively you could alternate exercises once a week although I personally wait until I've stopped making progress before switching. Log your lifts and improve by either weight or reps (2+) each week. When you can't improve on your lifts for three workouts in a row, it's time to change exercises (I say this because you might've had a bad day etc). Lift in good form always (leave your ego at the door, sacrifice weight for form and muscles will grow faster), do an explosive positive and slow, controlled negative. Leave a full day's rest between workout days - this scheme allows also for a weekend off if you like. I.e. Mon - Wed - Fri - Mon OR you could just train every other day, up to you.

That's training, the easy part. Now comes the diet. The hard part.

Mate, you won't grow the way you're eating (your diet seems to be like a high-carb cutting diet rather than a bulker). The traditional 'boatload the carbs for weight gain' thinking is flawed. Protein builds muscles, not carbs. People who eat a load of carbs tend to be fat. People who eat a load of protein tend to be muscular. Look around and see. You could be on the best workout program in the world, have the best supplements in the world, have the best drugs in the world, if you're getting in the protein requirements of a bed-ridden gerbil you'll get nowhere fast.

Protein - the most important macro. Aim for 2g of protein per lb bodyweight that you WANT to be. You think eating twice your current bodyweight will get you to a new level of size? You're wrong. Your preferred protein sources should be red meat since it's the highest form of animal protein available - other meats are good but beef is the best. Ground beef is cheap and full of protein, cook it up and run it under the tap to get off as much fat as possible. Whole eggs too, don't be afraid of egg yolks, they're good for you and have just as much protein as the white. Don't forget stuff like peanut butter too - a good source of protein and fat. The ever dependable milk as well. Add a pint of milk to every meal and that's another 20g of protein in. Protein powder is an option BUT NOT ESSENTIAL. When you're training to be 250lbs and need 500g of protein every day then maybe so but right now you're fine with real food. To recap: lean meats, eggs, milk, nuts, lentils, dairy produce, stuff like tempeh and tofu if you like it, and fish (including tuna).

Carbs and fats - don't bother counting these. Aim for as many quality carbs (oats, wholegrain bread, brown rice, wholewheat pasta, sweet potatoes etc) as you need to satiate your hunger, too many and you could be putting on the wrong sort of weight. Carbs are your fuel, not your building blocks. Fats are oft neglected, I'd recommend around 50g at least of good quality fat every day: flax oil, oily fish (mackerel, herring, trout, salmon, sardines), nuts, olive oil, olives, seeds etc. Put oil on your salads and stuff (eat LOTS of fruit and veg for general healthiness) or in your milk or orange juice, a tablespoon of olive oil in some Tropicana is lovely and packs a good 20-25g of fat. You NEED fat, don't think you can survive on protein and carbs alone. Nuts and nut butters (peanut butter, almond butter etc - the natural kind, not the commercial) are a good source of protein AND fat, and pack calories, which is a good thing.

To recap: 2g of protein per lb bodyweight that you WANT to be - I'd say aim for 160lbs right now, so get in a good 320g of protein every day. Eat carbs to fuel your workouts and your hunger, get in some good fats, lots of fruit and veg, and drink plenty of water. Your meal timing is good. Don't be afraid to throw in some junk food now and again. You'll be working hard so treats are in order!! Junk has a bad rep and rightfully so, but it's got key nutrients like any other food. At McD's pound a couple of double cheeseburgers and milk (no fries) and go for a nice meat feast pizza/meat heavy sub as you described. In fact in one of my most successful muscle-building phases I had a shop-bought pizza every other day, didn't make me fat (I did cardio and other stuff to keep me lean, but you don't need to worry about that!) and kept me quite mentally happy!

Of course, there'll be times when you're not hungry. You MUST eat. Eat the protein and leave the rest of your food uneaten in the worst case scenario. Forcefeeding happens to us all. Pick foods you like to eat to help with this, picture yourself the musclebound hunk you want to be, blend your food and drink it, ANYTHING - but the bodybuilder is made outside the gym, not in it. The time at the dinner plate is forty-two times a week. The time at the gym is three or four times a week. Diet is key!

I'll be checking in on you, good luck with your goals and please don't hesitate to ask if you have a problem. So many young guys start out with all the best motivation and incentive in the world, but don't know where to start; I'm happy to help people out, I was helped by experienced lifters and I owe much of my muscle to them.

Cheers,
Alex ...
 
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By the way, your weights are good for a beginner, keep them up!

I GUARANTEE you will make better gains if you follow my advice than what you're already doing. Not to say that your current scheme is bad persay - but it could be much better, especially the diet.

Good grief, I nearly forgot. Proper PWO and PPWO nutrition.

PWO is a 'window of opportunity' up to 20 minutes after your workout (I've seen other times quoted here and there, really it doesn't matter if it's 21 or 22 minutes, anything over half an hour later is pushing it IMO) in which the body is extremely receptive of protein. Here you give it a nice dose of protein (double whey shake in WATER, not milk, is optimal since its very quickly digested) PLUS some simple carbs (sugars) to create an insulin spike which will get your body into muscle-repair mode (the science behind this can be posted if you like) - simple carbs are ideally something like dextrose or glucose but a ripe banana or fruit juice work too. IDEALLY you should also have complex carbs with this although I've never done this for convenience and it hasn't done me any harm: mix an equal amount of maltose/maltodextrin with your whey or eat some oatcakes. IMO this isn't REALLY necessary since you're going to have a PPWO meal with complex carbs.

PPWO: about an hour after PWO. This the next 'window of opportunity'. Your PPWO meal should consist of protein and complex carbs, e.g. chicken and rice, beef and sweet potatoes, tuna pasta, etc, etc.

Eating properly at these two golden times gives your body all the nutrients it needs to produce the maximum amount of lean tissue.

If for any reason you're going to miss your PPWO meal (or it's going to be more than two hours away from PWO) then you must have complex carbs PWO for optimal effect.
 
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Thanks for your input. I'm a little confused now, though, because some things are contradicting other things.

Most of the info I've read has recommended about 1.5 g of protein per lb of body weight. Two grams per lb of target weight is a lot more than that. After a certain point won't excess protein just be wasted? Like if you consume it at a faster rate than your body can use it to build muscle?

Also, you say I'm overtraining but then that my weights are good :confused: . Do you mean I'm doing too many different exercises? I'm already doing most of the exercises you suggested, though I will check out the new ones.

Mate, you won't grow the way you're eating (your diet seems to be like a high-carb cutting diet rather than a bulker). The traditional 'boatload the carbs for weight gain' thinking is flawed. Protein builds muscles, not carbs. People who eat a load of carbs tend to be fat. People who eat a load of protein tend to be muscular.
Protein builds muscle, but aren't carbs your main energy source? Everything I've read so far has touted carbs as very important. Example:

The important thing to understand about carbs is that they have a " protein sparring " effect. Which means when your body has enough carbs to fuel itself, it will be able to more fully utilize amino acids for the maintenance, repair and growth of muscle tissues. This is why carbs are so vital to a bodybuilder who is trying to gain mass. In edition, eating too few carbohydrates can leave your muscles feeling and looking flat. Muscle fullness depends, to a large extent, on the glycogen stores within them.


Protein - the most important macro. Aim for 2g of protein per lb bodyweight that you WANT to be. You think eating twice your current bodyweight will get you to a new level of size? You're wrong. Your preferred protein sources should be red meat since it's the highest form of animal protein available - other meats are good but beef is the best. Ground beef is cheap and full of protein, cook it up and run it under the tap to get off as much fat as possible. Whole eggs too, don't be afraid of egg yolks, they're good for you and have just as much protein as the white. Don't forget stuff like peanut butter too - a good source of protein and fat. The ever dependable milk as well. Add a pint of milk to every meal and that's another 20g of protein in. Protein powder is an option BUT NOT ESSENTIAL. When you're training to be 250lbs and need 500g of protein every day then maybe so but right now you're fine with real food. To recap: lean meats, eggs, milk, nuts, lentils, dairy produce, stuff like tempeh and tofu if you like it, and fish (including tuna).
I'm already eating most of the things you've suggested, though I guess not the amout you've suggested; Eggs, milk, chicken, peanut butter, tuna, turkey, and whey. I'll aim for more steak, since I'm not getting any beef really. However, ground beef seems unhealthy as it is high in cholesterol and undesireable fats.

Thanks for your input. Can anyone else comment on it so I can get a frame of reference?
 

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Haven't implemented any changes yet.

Back/biceps

Deadlifts
8 x 115 lbs.
6 x 135 lbs.
5 x 155 lbs.

Barbell Rows
6 x 115 lbs.
5 x 125 lbs.
4 x 135 lbs.

Pulldowns
6 x 120 lbs.
6 x 125 lbs.
4 x 135 lbs.

Barbell Curls
6 x 55 lbs.
5 x 60 lbs.
4 x 60 lbs.

Hammer Curls
6 x 25 lbs.
4 x 30 lbs.

I'm not quite up to the weight semag suggested, but next week I might be. I didn't do dumbell rows because I thought it might be excessive since I already have 3 major back exercises.

I seem to have gained about three pounds. My initial weight ranged from 141 to maybe 143 throughout the day. Now it seems to range from 144 to 146. Abs are still visible, maybe more so than before in fact, so hopefully it's muscle rather than fat or food weight. Considering the sheer amount of crappy fatty and sugary food I used to eat with no visible effect, I'm guessing my body is disinclined to creating excess fat.

One thing I need to work on is going to bed earlier so I get enough rest. I have been going to bed about 1:00 and getting up at 7:15 or 7:30. Gonna work on going to bed at midnight instead, then maybe keep moving back to like 11:30. Also I'll try to find some flax seed oil. Would nutrition stores carry that or do I have to order it? The grocery store didn't have any that I could find.
 

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Great progress man... I like that you're goin for the gusto. I was just giving you a number to shoot for ;) I have full confidence you'll get it.

Listen to Alex, that guy knows his shyt, and I can tell that from that single post he wrote to you.

To Alex: What boards to you frequent man?? you sound like a guy coming from intensemuscle, animalkits, or ironaddicts board ;) Not some bb.com n00b. You know your shyt, like I said above, and in terms of that, you know it as someone who's listening to the big guys, and not the "buck fifty pvssy trainers" as people like Dante would say.. haha.
 

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Most of the info I've read has recommended about 1.5 g of protein per lb of body weight. Two grams per lb of target weight is a lot more than that. After a certain point won't excess protein just be wasted? Like if you consume it at a faster rate than your body can use it to build muscle?
Yes, the traditional protein recommendations appear to be 1.5g per lb of present bodyweight rather than my prescribed 2g per lb of DESIRED bodyweight .. and 90% of bodybuilders I know dabble in those levels of protein. Those who're extremely genetically gifted will grow off 1.5g, but the rest struggle to gain a few lbs a year. 2g per desired lb bodyweight will put your system into muscle-building overdrive, coupled with heavy training and plenty of rest.

Protein is made out of amino acids, and these are muscle building block in their basest form. But not all protein is digested (the surplus passes to the small intestine and is excreted or goes into adipose), and as a result less aminos are made available to the bloodstream. The more protein you eat, the more is digested, the more goes towards muscle building.

The body needs anything from 20-odd to over 30 calories to digest a single gram of protein, and all of this happens in the stomach. Carbs are part-digested in the mouth and then sit in the stomach, literally clogging up digestion (same for fats) - therefore even LESS aminos become available for muscle growth.

The human body is geared towards protein consumption - eating more protein increases basal metabolism and keeps it raised for much longer than eating carbs and fats would.

Depending on how serious you want to go, you could eat the protein FIRST before other foods. Say you're eating steak and rice. Eat your steak first, all of it, before even a mouthful of rice. All the steak will be first in the digestive queue, and will be processed as efficiently as possible, and the greatest number of aminos will go towards muscle growth. Plus of course the metabolic benefit - eating 500g of protein a day equals 2000calories, with roughly 500 calories burned just to digest these! Since the majority of your protein is getting digested and shuttled towards muscle growth in amino form, the calories will come from other places, glycogen and stored bodyfat. Hence why eating more protein first helps you get (and stay) lean.

Your body doesn't want to change! It wants to be a comfortable 140-180lbs with 20% bodyfat at least. It's geared towards survival, not being a massive hulk of muscular monstrosity. However by feeding it vast amounts of protein and boatloading the aminos in the bloodstream you're forcing it to build muscle, given sufficient training.

The science is contradictory and possibly a bit controversial and hey, I don't 100% understand it myself (the above is my rough take of things) - but I tell you this. Try 2g of lb desired bodyweight for a while (faithfully) and come back in three months time and tell me whether you'd want to mess about with lower levels again.

Also, you say I'm overtraining but then that my weights are good . Do you mean I'm doing too many different exercises? I'm already doing most of the exercises you suggested, though I will check out the new ones.
You're gaining strength, the neural efficiency of your muscles is increasing. Given a suitable diet you'd be gaining in size too! Just because you're getting stronger, if you're not eating and resting properly you won't grow - and the strength gains will stagnate at some point, it varies from person to person. You're doing well now, bottomline - but without suitable nutrition and recovery you won't see the rewards for your hard work. Overtraining can be subtle - you may not notice it until given a month of hard training, you've gained absolutely nothing. The central nervous system is a delicate beast, it needs its rest like everyone else.

Protein builds muscle, but aren't carbs your main energy source? Everything I've read so far has touted carbs as very important. Example:
I never said carbs were not important, you misunderstand me. They're extremely important, and yes, they're your energy source. You eat carbs to keep you going all day long, but never at the expense of protein! (see digestive stuff above) Eat carbs to see you through the day but don't go for 5g per lb bodyweight or 9g as I've seen quoted here and there, just as many as you 'feel' you need to get through your daily activities. Alex sits on his arse all day, he won't need as many carbs as Satori who works as a bricklayer. See what I mean?

I'll aim for more steak, since I'm not getting any beef really. However, ground beef seems unhealthy as it is high in cholesterol and undesireable fats.
The fats in beef aren't necessarily undesirable. Grass-fed beef may well have a high proportion of EFAs! Saturated fat isn't a good fat exactly (it can increase cholesterol), but it's not a BAD fat - it's vital to protect our internal organs and keep us warm, among other things. BAD fats are trans and hydrogenated fats.

In any case, once you've cooked your beef, chuck it in a colander and then run it under the tap (faucet) until the water runs clear - a good deal of the fat will wash off this way. Or buy lean beef, it's not that expensive really ..

Cholesterol: the government are SO paranoid about this. What they forget is that eating cholesterol does NOT raise your body's cholesterol levels. In fact, your body's rate of natural cholesterol production decreases because it's getting it from external sources! I don't know about the States, but here in the UK eggs for example have a very bad rep for cholesterol - absolute cack. I eat six or seven whole eggs a day and my cholesterol is fine. Cholesterol levels are all down to daily exercise and amount of saturated fat in your diet (which can be limited or burned off, see above).

Note that an exception is if you have some family history of high cholesterol levels, or you might be sensitive to dietary cholesterol - in which case don't listen to me, and consult your doctor. If you're healthy in that respect though, there's no harm whatsoever in eating cholesterol-rich foods. Just get your exercise (which everyone should ANYWAY).

I didn't do dumbell rows because I thought it might be excessive since I already have 3 major back exercises.
Now you're talking sense - I even think that 3 might be too many.

My initial weight ranged from 141 to maybe 143 throughout the day. Now it seems to range from 144 to 146.
Congratulations! But given what you say about your metabolism, I personally think that anything under 2g of protein per lb is shooting yourself in the foot.

Also I'll try to find some flax seed oil. Would nutrition stores carry that or do I have to order it? The grocery store didn't have any that I could find.
Most health food shops should have it - but don't buy the capsules. Flax powder is an alternative, sprinkle it into your oatmeal or drink it with milk or water or however you like.

Pullups also are great at working the back and bi's. But you need to do pullups probably first or second if you want to implement them in your workout at all.
I agree here, although I'm more of a fan of wide grip pullups or rack chins. It's difficult to measure progress on pullups since your own bodyweight increases. I also agree that you'd have to do them first - possibly an exercise for the future, since you'd want to build core strength and progress quickly for the moment.

You've got plenty of good people advising you here Satori, listen to us and you should end up very pleased with yourself!
 

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Semag - I don't really frequent many boards in the sense that I don't post much. I do however comb the 'big guys' boards (very nicely put) like ironaddicts, musclemayhem, intensemuscle for information! I read, digest, research (on myself), experiment and learn.

I'm mostly active on a couple of UK boards - Muscletalk and Musclezone, even though I disagree with a lot of the stuff posted there these days.

I'd much rather keep quiet on the big boards and learn stuff, and post what I can to help people in other forums like here.

Oh, and I'm a DCer to the t-bone. ;)
 

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280g of protein a day just seems like so much. A can of tuna is only about 25g. Guess I'm going to have to do some serious eating this summer.
 

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Simon - yes, you will. As I said before, the bodybuilder is made at the dinner table, not the gym. You're going to have to forcefeed yourself, hold your nose and swallow food down, blend it up and drink it down, somehow get the protein down you because that's the only way you'll grow mate. But I promise you, you WILL grow if you eat.

And 280g is nothing mate. I'd eat more than that for maintenance. ;)

Whole eggs, meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are also good sources of protein.

Meal 1 - 4 whole eggs (28g), pint of milk (20g), oatmeal (5g), fruit.

Meal 2 - 2 cans of tuna (50g), pasta (5g).

Meal 3 - 1/2 lb of lean steak (45g), brown rice (5g), veggies (1-2g).

Meal 4 - pint of milk (20g), 100g natural peanut butter (30g), wholewheat bread (5g).

Meal 5 - 200g mackerel (40g), salad.

Meal 6 - 200g cottage cheese (25g), pint of milk (40g).

There you go. That's well over 300g and I was only estimating the carb proteins. Learn to love food, your body will love you for it.
 

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Thanks a lot, Alex. I will try to get up to 2xdesired weight for protein and check out the exercises you suggested. The difficulty is I only have 20 minutes apiece for meal 2 and three, so usually I only have time for one can of tuna, a bowl of oatmeal, and maybe a piece of fruit. I guess I'll have to pack it on in the evening after work.

As for pullups, the main problem is that right now I can't do them :woo: . At least, last time I tried I couldn't. Well, if I keep my arms slightly bent I can do several. I've always thought proper form involved fully extending your arms, though, in which case I can't do more than one.
 

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In which case mate, keep to other back exercises until you're strong enough for pullups.

Heck, they're the hardest exercise you can do, don't worry about it. Took me over a year of trying to get 3x8 (and that was with bodyweight only!).

No time to eat? Swap ONE of your meals for a meal-replacement shake made from the following:

oats or maltodextrin
egg whites (if you're comfortable eating them raw)
fruit (berries and banana work well)
milk and/or whey and/or yogurt
nesquick etc for flavouring?
heavy whipping cream (hey why not.. not too much though!)
peanut butter (yum)

Get a shaker or hand mixer, throw in your ingredients and whizz 'em around.
Carry this shake around with you and gulp it down.

I'd make this up to about a pints worth (600ml), use half a pint of milk (10g protein), three egg whites (9g), 30g whey (20g protein usually), 100g yogurt (6g), spoonful peanut butter (8g) - all approximate figures - add fruit and oats/malto as you like, adds up to 50g protein minimum.

I'm not in favour of too many liquid meals BUT one a day won't hurt and can be a time-saver. However I admire your efforts to get real food down and this should be the way if at all possible. Stick to your tuna and oats if you like, and add half a pint of milk too. (just an idea)

Keep it up mate, you're doing well. Persevere with the eating and you WILL see results.
 

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That's some damn good info there, and anyone that doesn't read all that or doesn't listen to it is just plain stupid.

I gotta say alex... you must have spent a shytload of time at the Doggpound... hahah.

I just got into DC like a month or two ago, in terms of reading all the info on it and such. I haven't tried his full rotating routine yet (still working on EXMGQ's simple PLing routine over at IA's board) but I'm thinkin of starting it up soon. RP is brutal stuff.

I have a few questions on the stretching tho, do you know of any threads or sites that explain it pretty well?

EDIT: PS. Fatloss question of the day: Early morning walking for 45 mins every day, jogging for 30ish mins every day , or a 3 day walking/3 day sled pulling schedule?
 

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Originally posted by semag
That's some damn good info there, and anyone that doesn't read all that or doesn't listen to it is just plain stupid.

I gotta say alex... you must have spent a shytload of time at the Doggpound... hahah.

I just got into DC like a month or two ago, in terms of reading all the info on it and such. I haven't tried his full rotating routine yet (still working on EXMGQ's simple PLing routine over at IA's board) but I'm thinkin of starting it up soon. RP is brutal stuff.

I have a few questions on the stretching tho, do you know of any threads or sites that explain it pretty well?

EDIT: PS. Fatloss question of the day: Early morning walking for 45 mins every day, jogging for 30ish mins every day , or a 3 day walking/3 day sled pulling schedule?
Thanks Semag :). Yeah, I've been around the Pound a few times, registered but never posted; I prefer, as I've said, to read and digest, then experiment and see what's what, after all some stuff might not work for me, nothing's set in stone. A lot of the nutritional stuff is also trial and error and research, since there's not a lot of that on intensemuscle for reasons I'm sure you know.

What questions have you got about the stretches? Post here or start a new thread (thinking it's offtopic, although I recommend that everyone stretches after an exercise, not necessarily DC style because it's so brutal) and I'll be glad to explain as best I can - to be honest I haven't found one site that still shows them, I found them once and just memorised 'em. :D

One thing I'll tell you though, is that when you're on one routine, take it to the maximum, stick with it until you stop gaining - switching routines all the time isn't a good thing, one of the first mistakes I made. I do recommend DC-style though.

Fatloss: depends on the individual and their needs/goals. For me, 45 minutes of fairly brisk walking before breakfast is my weapon of choice (sets me up for the rest of the day too), up to two, maybe three times a day when I want to cut up. Jogging tends to knacker my knees (and my squats). Never had a sled unfortunately.
 

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Tried to go up to 60 lbs. on shrugs and my shoulders could take it, but my hands could not. Could someone recommend a better shoulder exercise to replace that with?
Just noticed this one; personally I don't do shoulder shrugs, waste of time. Heavy deadlifts will take care of your traps!
 

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Ok, yeah I didn't think the shrugs were really doing much for me anyway.

Could you elaborate on how you cook your ground beef exactly? My mom has a George Foreman grill I could use, but I really don't know how to approach it. Form it into a patty? Just throw it on there? Run it under water after it's cooked, or before? I imagine it's relatively simple, but I've never had to cook anything beyond microwaving stuff or just add water kinds of things.
 

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Originally posted by Satori
Ok, yeah I didn't think the shrugs were really doing much for me anyway.

Could you elaborate on how you cook your ground beef exactly? My mom has a George Foreman grill I could use, but I really don't know how to approach it. Form it into a patty? Just throw it on there? Run it under water after it's cooked, or before? I imagine it's relatively simple, but I've never had to cook anything beyond microwaving stuff or just add water kinds of things.
All down to personal preference - I fry mine with that 1kcal spray oil thing and make a kebab out of the meat with a wholemeal pitta bread or a tortilla, or I shape it into a burger or burgers (use a wholemeal bun, your choice of condiment (low fat if possible) and cheese for a tasty, healthy burger) and zap them on a pan griddle. Never used a Foreman grill before I'm ashamed to say ..

As for the fat: once it's cooked, put the meat in a colander and run the whole thing under warm water until the water runs clear; after that with a bit of cold to cool the meat down (I'm always starving so want to eat asap, lol).
 

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Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Whole eggs, meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are also good sources of protein.

Meal 1 - 4 whole eggs (28g), pint of milk (20g), oatmeal (5g), fruit.

Meal 2 - 2 cans of tuna (50g), pasta (5g).

Meal 3 - 1/2 lb of lean steak (45g), brown rice (5g), veggies (1-2g).

Meal 4 - pint of milk (20g), 100g natural peanut butter (30g), wholewheat bread (5g).

Meal 5 - 200g mackerel (40g), salad.

Meal 6 - 200g cottage cheese (25g), pint of milk (40g).

There you go. That's well over 300g and I was only estimating the carb proteins. Learn to love food, your body will love you for it.
Thanks for that. The problem is that I don't eat dairy anymore. Could the milk be replaced by whey, or should I be looking for some other protein source?
 

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