Fighting

[Sexual]

Has anyone that acually takes muy thai or ju jutsu that think they're a bad*ss ever really beat someone down.

Seriously, I just fought my room mate two nights who is the same size and that's in the military with combat training and demolished him. I've been kickboxing for a year and I didn't even use my left arm because of a fractured wrist or my legs because I'd forgotten I had my flip flops on.

Last night two people I know fought and the guy that has been taking karate for like 10 years was the one that started it- he lost and wussed out.

If it's worth it I'd really like to know because every fight I've ever seen besides boxing is mostly who's tougher.

 

[johnny_chase]

Okay, i have an opinion here. I've been doing ju jutsu for 10 + years, and i have been in fights. The fights i was in, I DID NOT GO LOOKING FOR. I tried every other option to avoid it. I think i am "bad ass" as you put it. I will not back down, but be forewarned. Go watch a seagal movie, one of the old ones. Now i know it's not exactly reality, but that is what i know. The **** he does, i know. I practice 15-20 hours a week intensely, just fighting.

But i spend 8 hours a week at the gym, and i run, and i can do a million push ups, and i train with other serious like minded people. Martial arts will only make you what you put into it. It is more than just combat.

Now, what really pisses me off is when people find out and they're like: "show me something", or "let's fight." NO, the answer is NO, because i wouldnt be able to hold back, you would get fuked up. They dont understand, it's not an on off kind of thing. At a certain point it's a reaction.

Story to illustrate this point: one night, it was late and i got home. I thought the house was empty. So, it's like 1230 in the morning, and i'm walking down my hall, lights are off. My stupid a$$ brother rips open his door, which i just walked next to, and screams as loud as he could to try to scare me. Scared the **** out of me, and pure reaction, i punched him and broke his nose. He's okay, dont worry, and the nose is fine, you cant even tell, but i feel like ****. Honestly, sometimes i'm afraid of what i'm capable of, and i try to avoid confrontation as much as possible.

The reason you beat down your military buddy is because he had no combat experience. That, and he;'s your roommate. In the army they train you to KILL. THEY TEACH YOU TO REACT AND KILL. He didnt want to kill you.

The other guy who did karate, what style. Was he serious about it? If he was really serious about martial arts he wouldnt be looking for a fight.

The people you DONT want to fight with are the ones that are emotionally balanced about it, the ones that keep a cool head, and try to avoid it as much as possible, but they'll put you in the hospital in the blink of an eye.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Originally posted by johnny_chase

The people you DONT want to fight with are the ones that try to avoid it as much as possible.

Exactly. The ones who say they know karate or whatever and are looking for a fight are:

1) Bull****ting about knowing whatever it is they say they know
2) Don't have the true spirit of the art and will not be powerful in combat.

These people are generally insecure. They are hardly a threat.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

White people....

 

[englishcrap]

U need to grow up

Originally posted by Trippsta
Has anyone that acually takes muy thai or ju jutsu that think they're a bad*ss ever really beat someone down.

Seriously, I just fought my room mate two nights who is the same size and that's in the military with combat training and demolished him. I've been kickboxing for a year and I didn't even use my left arm because of a fractured wrist or my legs because I'd forgotten I had my flip flops on.

Last night two people I know fought and the guy that has been taking karate for like 10 years was the one that started it- he lost and wussed out.

If it's worth it I'd really like to know because every fight I've ever seen besides boxing is mostly who's tougher.

 

[Sart]

Intent

Its a matter of intent. The cool head stuff, the training, you name it. The most violent man I know admittedly was in tactical response for the cops but never trained. He was what many of you would term an alpha dog. The thing is, when trouble started, he was beserk and would intend seriously hurting you. Most of us do what it takes to avoid the situation, if pushed we defend ourselves, but we have refrain. We have fear of hurting someone, being imprisoned or getting hurt badly.

There is someone in the World who would beat this guy, but I am yet to meet them, black or white.

I always thought I could handle myself okay, but I would run a friggine mile from this guy. The martial arts training is good and fun but NO! it will not determine the victor. I could beat the shyte out of my sensai and we both know it. There are at least two blue belts who could do me like a dinner and I am their Sensai. It is purely intent.

COWARDS, are usually simply people who either 1. Find it hard to raise their aggression level and fear it, or 2. Empathize with the victim. In other words, I dont think there are any real cowards.

You can argue this one all you want but I would stake my life on this observation. All the push ups and training in the World, wont give you shear aggression and the intent to really hurt someone. If you run into one of them, do a 180 and run the other way. I have seen them in therapy, some on probation, Mike Tyson types, they can become psychopathic when needs be.

Two normal people...yeah...guy with the cool head. One normal dude versus a sociopath, normal guy is going down 9 times out of 10. Avoid them like the plague.

 

[Alpine]

What's this got to do with discussing DJing?

 

[squirrels]

Training never works the same once you get into a real fight...too many variables, including your own adrenaline.

 

[nero]

I have been training in martial arts on and off since I was 10 and now I am 25.

What I have learned is that you have to train for combat. A lot of styles or schools do not train for combat.
They do not do full contact sparing they do not train you in what it feels like to to get hit, what it feels like to have your adrenaline pumping etc..



So to answer the first guys question yes it is worth it for a lot of reasons it creates confidence, gets or keeps you in shape and will help you defend your self against a non traind person.

It may also help you out a little against a trained person also but if you train hard for combat etc you will be even more trained to defend your self against trained or un train person....

Ok thats all for my blabbing...

 

[jprjrjr]

Originally posted by Tha Realnezz
White people....

What does their skin color have to do with it? You think you're hard just because you're not white? I'm not sure where this shyt got started, but you need to stop watching so many Spike Lee movies.

 

[diablo]

Anything Else...

 

[360]

Originally posted by Tha Realnezz
White people....

*sigh* people like you who are racist shouldnt even post. Do you even know if these people are white? Racism needs to end.

 

[Capt.Jack Sparrow]

Originally posted by johnny_chase

The reason you beat down your military buddy is because he had no combat experience. That, and he;'s your roommate. In the army they train you to KILL. THEY TEACH YOU TO REACT AND KILL. He didnt want to kill you.

 

[undesputable]

I've been boxing for about a year and a half, and the other day a friend challenged me to box. So i agreed and that particular day i had been very active and i was very tired at the time that i got to box him, i didnt get beat up, but i didnt do anywhere as good as i should have, and he was surprisingly good, for not having formal boxing training. Next week i asked him if he wanted to box again, mainly because i was so dissapointed from last week and knew i could do better. So we fight and by the first round which was 2 mins he already had a bloody nose, by the second round he was seriously bleeding the **** out of his nose, i even thought i had broke it. So by the 2nd round he couldnt go on anymore. I felt really bad, bc i know i should have gone easier than i did, and prove myself in some other way, other than putting right hand bombs in his face.

 

[Colossus]

I agree w/ nero

I trained in martial arts for several years when I was young, and more recently in brazillian JJ and sport fighting.
I have never been in a major street fight since I have been training, and I have never looked for one.
What I have seen, however, is that you fight how you train and you train how you fight. The problem w/ traditional martial arts is that alot of them dont expose you to real-life combat situations. They're just a bunch of katas and strict movements that are never practiced against a wildly resisting opponent. That's why you get the wrestlers and boxers who can just mop the floor w/ the kung-fu, tkd, and flashy punch-kick guys. They consistently train w/ active resistance and skilled opponents. They have that real time fighting experience.

Most fights ultimately come down to the individual and who is tougher and has better instincts.

 

[Zaine]

I always thought I could handle myself okay, but I would run a friggine mile from this guy. The martial arts training is good and fun but NO! it will not determine the victor. I could beat the shyte out of my sensai and we both know it. There are at least two blue belts who could do me like a dinner and I am their Sensai. It is purely intent.

WTF!! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?! IT'S SPELLED SENSEI YOU ****ING IGNORANT *****!!

Yea I take Japanese...get pretty intense. haha

 

[Sexual]

Lol u guys are nuts, I was just wondering if it's worth it to spend all that time and money training. I think it's about the bigger, faster, and stronger man, not what ying how chew whee style he has taken.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

First of all... anyone who "goes psycho" during a fight is gonna get blanked the second they throw with someone of similar size with actual training/experience.

A good friend of mine took jujitsu, kunk fu, and akido (im not sure which style) since he was 5. He was also a bodybuilder. When he was 17 he started bouncing. I just saw him working a really hard club downtown... and hes only 19... all the other bouncers are in their mid 20's. He could wipe the floor with any two other bouncers at the club.

"The kunk fu was pretty useless. The sparing teaches you to keep moving and throw a quick punch or kick, nothing else. Jujitsu is **** you can really use in a street fight - Akido helps if people pull a knife or something out on you."

Thats what he told me... and went on to say that the technique is important, the fittness is impotant... but the deciding factor in most fights is just experience. If you can take a flush hit to the face and keep youre balance and the other guy cant - youre going to win.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

You fought your roommate? Won't this make paying the rent a bit hard down the line?

I mean a random guy in a bar, yeah, but your roommate?

 

[MindOverMatter]

Originally posted by ANaTural
Lol u guys are nuts, I was just wondering if it's worth it to spend all that time and money training. I think it's about the bigger, faster, and stronger man, not what ying how chew whee style he has taken.

I like this post.

You are right on some points and you are wrong on others.

It is about 3 things: knowledge, experiance, and conditioning.

1.) Knowledge is about knowing the basics of the martial art, the movements, combinations, etc. All martial arts teach you this. However, not all martial arts teach you practical knowledge. You wont learn to use your knees or elbows in karate. In TKD you will learn all these finesse looking kicks, but they're not practical. It is important that your martial art is practical, and not just for show.

2.) Experiance is actually applying the martial art. Most martial arts don't teach you. You can be a black belt, but if you've never been in a fight, you will get your ass kicked if you scrap with someone that gets in fights on a weekly basis.

There are some things you only learn through experiance. Anyone who's been knocked out in the ring knows to keep their chin down. You also learn proper defenses. Most of the people you get in scraps with outside of the dojo WONT know how to keep their guard up, and will usually throw the most basic punch combinations (or try to wrestle you down).

The reason Muay Thai and BJJ are so effective in street scenarios is because these 2 MAs emphasize sparring. In muay thai, you generally do 30-60 minutes of in-ring fighting per night. This is how you apply the knowledge, and build that experiance. If you think martial arts are a joke, feel free to get into a ring with someone who's had 300-500 hours of muay thai sparring. You're not gonna land a real punch against this guy, and you are as hell wont be able to take him to the floor when he knows dozens of different clinch knockouts.

3.) Conditioning is developing your body so that it performs at its best. Like you said, bigger, faster, stronger man. Despite what you see in the movies, a 5'0 90 lbs guy isn't gonna do much against a 6'5 300 lbs guy. Going to the gym, building up your body and increasing your strength is a must.

In my opinion, the most important of the 3 is experiance, followed by conditioning, followed by knowledge. Some of the guys you've fought prolly had more fighting knowledge then you, but they didn't have the experiance to apply it, whereas you knew what you were doing.