Feminism is an identity

[Pandora]

So I dated another feminist. I live in a city on the east coast that has a very high concentration of feminist. I feel like this city has the highest concentration of feminist in the world i swear ( Washington DC). We got sexual a couple times but it ultimatelty didnt work because I couldnt keep my mouth shut and listen to all of her feminist nonsense.
I noticed a few things though.

1.) Feminism is often built from resentment. Many of the girls have anger at their fathers. Their fathers were either absent or emotionally distant. If they had great fathers, then they are resentful of the fact that they are not as attractive as the hot girls. They have been screwed over by men before and now they use feminism as a defense mechanism.

2.) The constant barrage of male advances will make many women resentful and look down on men. This is a point that the manosphere does not acknowledge enough. Why would we? We have no idea what its like to be a woman. These women get approached and ogled at 24/7. Even the less attractive ones. Online dating is making it worse. The messages they get from men are ridiculous and pathetic. Women start to resent men much the same way strippers secretly resent men. When a gender constantly ***** begs, it is difficult to respect them.

3.) Many women need feminism. It is their identity. They need the victimhood. Life is about escaping the control of the white patriarchy that is trying to hold them down. It is a religion of identify for them. Similar to a cult. It is actually probably the most popular cult in existence. They will not respond to counter arguments.

4.) I tried to get her to be empathic to struggles of men. In her mind men have no struggles. Their lives are amazing lol. You can tell them the stats for male suicide yet they will never concede that men have hard lives too. Again, this ideology is based on actually male resentment. Not equality.

5.) She responded to dominance. Ironic huh

6.) The modern male is actually pathetic. This is a point that the manosphere does not emphasize enough. I was the only man that she ever dated that had the balls and intelligence to present counter arguments to her nonsense. Is that how capitulating the average male is? Or is it just stupidity? How can over a dozen guys she slept with never have told her the truth. This was the first time she had heard these arguments. That goes to show you that the RedPill guys are really a different breed than most men. Sometimes I almost agree with feminist when they say that the average man is an idiot.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

. Again, this ideology is based on actually male resentment. Not equality.

5.) She responded to dominance. Ironic huh

6.) The modern male is actually pathetic. This is a point that the manosphere does not emphasize enough. I was the only man that she ever dated that had the balls and intelligence to present counter arguments to her nonsense. Is that how capitulating the average male is? Or is it just stupidity? How can over a dozen guys she slept with never have told her the truth. This was the first time she had heard these arguments. That goes to show you that the RedPill guys are really a different breed than most men. Sometimes I almost agree with feminist when they say that the average man is an idiot.

All modern ideology is based on resentment. This was well noted by Nietzsche, who cared nothing for mass culture and was an elitist. Resentment wants to pull everything down to the lowest common denominator [equality]. The true masculine frame of mind is elitist/ naturally aristocratic because it is concerned with the pursuit of excellence NOT mediocrity.

 

[Fruitbat]

All modern ideology is based on resentment. This was well noted by Nietzsche, who cared nothing for mass culture and was an elitist. Resentment wants to pull everything down to the lowest common denominator [equality]. The true masculine frame of mind is elitist/ naturally aristocratic because it is concerned with the pursuit of excellence NOT mediocrity.

Well, what do you know, we agree on that mate!

I don't hate feminism, I hate 3rd wave feminism. Ironically, it has reduced men to mere fvck toys. They do not want a man as a provider or a confidant, or a leader. They want a male bimbo, with muscles and tats. Also, one who keeps his mouth shut and agrees with her on everything.

I saw a bit of a film recently called "the millionaire maker". The first part was some chick having a 40th birthfday. First, the husband took some viagra to please her, she threw a fit. Then, he said she was turning 40, she threw a fit, he HAD to say 38. Then, he didn't get her a present because she told him not to, but HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IT ANYWAY. She threw a fit. Then, next scene, she was with a hunky personal trainer and he was betaing her, saying how he would get a boner for her etc. I had to turn it off, it was just vomit inducing. I know it's a silly film or show or what, but it just reeked of a corrupted world.

 

[ManlyMichael]

Feminism is in EVERY GIRL, the best way to explain this is to not to read Don Juan bible, but to read the Bible, MEN HAVE DONE THE WORST! Until a man sits down, admits that he is really messing things up and turns back to God, saying that he really has some learning to do, it's a problem. People want to learn, but they are learning from secondary sources!

I wish I had a list of the bad things I read men do in that book, it would be a long long list. Woman are the same and much worse, but that's in the mans power to change it.

Here is one thing about men that is sad, there are ones who think they are strong, but can't labor to feed themselves off the land without machines, they pollute and damage the body through pollution and there family is weakened and then they talk **** about those weaker than them, men don't like confessing that they have greed and lust and pride, three attitudes that lead to the other, if he has one, he will develop the other two, and when he does ... he acts as if he causes no damage to any one as long as his hands don't touch the other. All this because he doesn't like to admit that God made him and has a way for him to live, it's such a small thing that goes to cause a lot of damage, woman are super sensitive, I wrote in another post how even your voice (when yelling at them) is physically harming to them. Yes God made them THAT weak, greed and pollution, lust and pride are causing wars, us men need to look at what is true

 

[Pandora]

Feminism is in EVERY GIRL, the best way to explain this is to not to read Don Juan bible, but to read the Bible, MEN HAVE DONE THE WORST! Until a man sits down, admits that he is really messing things up and turns back to God, saying that he really has some learning to do, it's a problem. People want to learn, but they are learning from secondary sources!

I wish I had a list of the bad things I read men do in that book, it would be a long long list. Woman are the same and much worse, but that's in the mans power to change it.

Here is one thing about men that is sad, there are ones who think they are strong, but can't labor to feed themselves off the land without machines, they pollute and damage the body through pollution and there family is weakened and then they talk **** about those weaker than them, men don't like confessing that they have greed and lust and pride, three attitudes that lead to the other, if he has one, he will develop the other two, and when he does ... he acts as if he causes no damage to any one as long as his hands don't touch the other. All this because he doesn't like to admit that God made him and has a way for him to live, it's such a small thing that goes to cause a lot of damage, woman are super sensitive, I wrote in another post how even your voice (when yelling at them) is physically harming to them. Yes God made them THAT weak, greed and pollution, lust and pride are causing wars, us men need to look at what is true

A small percentage of men in every time period have manipulated the larger population of men to do evil things. The "elites" have encoruaged our baser instincts while making us forget about our higher spiritual side. History is just the people with power manipulating the idiot masses of men. I totally agree with you that men suck. All I wanted her to see is that men are really suffering these days. Its not a joke. We probably all know a MALE that has commited suicide. The suicide rate for white males is the highest its been in 30 years. I tried to explain to her that many guys we know have not been laid in years! I asked her has she ever imagined what it is like to have no sexual contact with a person for years? She couldnt. Men are also lagging behind professionally. You have a better chance being hired as a women in many states than you do as a man. This is why I hate the victim hood mentality of feminism. Yes women have it bad in some respects, but men also have it bad. We all are getting screwed. The war is not patriarchy vs woman. The war is the people at the very top (social engineers) ****ing up the world for everyone else.

Feminist complain about white men more than black people! And black people actually have an argument and reason to complain. They were actually held down and murdered by whites. Now I still get annoyed by black people that still complain in 2017 ( I am black). Whitey is not holding you down that much these days. Your failures are due to you.

I have heard multiple girlfriends state that white men are the cause of most of the evil in this world. That white guys are evil lol. This is what feminist think. They are absolutely insane.

 

[ManlyMichael]

Understand the message my friend, no blame game, no need to blame the millionaire or billionaire, no need to blame the woman, just look at the truth, we have life, we need to improve, plenty of free land and good opportunity. We need patience and advice from God to become true men that woman love, we need to realize the danger of seductive woman that won't stick to Gods life, those same woman are lust filled and have mastered the art of lie to use ungodly men for resources, don't be sucked dry (literally) woman know but they just don't see any good man to challenge them and attract them to a helpless horny state they actually desire to be in, choose strength over money, and God over all things

 

[CMNILS87]

A lot of things are seated in people's personality. People think because they're a liberal or a feminist or a catholic or a Jew is that that defines them as a person and is their identity. So if you try you reason with them on it about another viewpoint, they literally take it as an attack against them as a person.

It's like I don't care that you're liberal or feminist or w/e, your viewpoint is stupid and it's wrong because you haven't don't the research. They're another sheep following the herd. When you disagree with their dumb idea, they don't take criticism anymore and deal with it. They go up in arms and take it as you're desecrating them as a human being.

In this day and age, it seems that society is run on resentment and being offended. So the more something offends you, you have the right to be offended and the built fake resentment gives you more power to fight back in society and complain. It's absolute garbage

It's like a black guy saying, "I can't get ahead because white mean hold all the power, so I'm gonna stick it to the white man and lobby for more power". Of course it's still the white msn fault you can't get ahead so resent him, complain, and you'll be heard by others. It's the same with feminism or any pololiticsl view on the left where everyone gets easily offended about dumb ****.

 

[Pandora]

A lot of things are seated in people's personality. People think because they're a liberal or a feminist or a catholic or a Jew is that that defines them as a person and is their identity. So if you try you reason with them on it about another viewpoint, they literally take it as an attack against them as a person.

It's like I don't care that you're liberal or feminist or w/e, your viewpoint is stupid and it's wrong because you haven't don't the research. They're another sheep following the herd. When you disagree with their dumb idea, they don't take criticism anymore and deal with it. They go up in arms and take it as you're desecrating them as a human being.

In this day and age, it seems that society is run on resentment and being offended. So the more something offends you, you have the right to be offended and the built fake resentment gives you more power to fight back in society and complain. It's absolute garbage

It's like a black guy saying, "I can't get ahead because white mean hold all the power, so I'm gonna stick it to the white man and lobby for more power". Of course it's still the white msn fault you can't get ahead so resent him, complain, and you'll be heard by others. It's the same with feminism or any pololiticsl view on the left where everyone gets easily offended about dumb ****.

Man I totally agree with this CMNILS87. This is so true. I would add that the black community is better than the feminist community. At least the black community polices itself. There are many blacks that will tell the black guy complaining about whitey holding him down in 2017 to stfu.I hear it all the time. Blacks are very divided about the topic of modern day white oppression. Women on the other hand, are not telling feminist to stfu. They go along with the fake victim narrative. Its sad really. But yeh you are right. People take stuff as an attack on their identity. They do not take it as a cue to do more research.

 

[Fruitbat]

In the book of Talamrhurah, the Zorostatoistianist holy book, the book says "Do not believe the female, she wants feminism" Malakhut chap 3 verse 2. I would urge you to read this and see the light.

Can we have a ManlyMichael post which doesn'tend up promoting his religion?

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The problem with all identity politics is that there is the whole us and them mentality. It rips all real society apart.

There is no possibility of freedom unless the oppressor is completely vanquished. Also, the problem of human suffering is thought to derive from the cultural/ political conditions of an unfair society.

Society has corrupted us. If only we could return to our original animal purity.... a secular theology. Yeah right....

 

[Fruitbat]

The problem with all identity politics is that there is the whole us and them mentality. It rips all real society apart.

There is no possibility of freedom unless the oppressor is completely vanquished. Also, the problem of human suffering is thought to derive from the cultural/ political conditions of an unfair society.

Society has corrupted us. If only we could return to our original animal purity.... a secular theology. Yeah right....

The corruption of western women lies no further than whoever, or whatever, is in charge of the media and legal/welfare system. It has nothing to do with secularism, because plenty of autocratic states are also theological at heart. Some of the most traditional, non-feminit women come from secular places. Russia for one, I was married to one and when she grew up, religion was near enough banned, yet they weren't feminist at all.

 

[Fruitbat]

Man I totally agree with this CMNILS87. This is so true. I would add that the black community is better than the feminist community. At least the black community polices itself. There are many blacks that will tell the black guy complaining about whitey holding him down in 2017 to stfu.I hear it all the time. Blacks are very divided about the topic of modern day white oppression. Women on the other hand, are not telling feminist to stfu. They go along with the fake victim narrative. Its sad really. But yeh you are right. People take stuff as an attack on their identity. They do not take it as a cue to do more research.

Conversation I had with a bunch of feminist friends:

Them: "So, fruitbat,what woman are you looking for?"

ME: "I like women who are home-orientated, want kids and don't obsess over a career"

Them:"WHAT WHAT WHAT!!! So, you want to put her in her place do you?"

Me: "No, I like womanly women - women who like babies, cry at movies. I don't mean stopping her working, I mean I find women with feminine aspects appealling"

Them: "So, because we want careers, you're saying we shouldn't have careers?"

Me; "NO! You do what you want! I just don't want to partner with women like you!"

Them: "So we have to be stay at home little wives?"

Me: "Let me explain. ALL OF YOU chose husbands and BF who were NOT male nannies, teachers of young children, fashion designers or weak, wimpy guys. You chose guys (one is an MMA fighter, the other a businessman etc) who had masuculine traits. Think of that in reverse. I want a woman who is womanly"

Them: "So we can't have careers and be womanly"

Me: "Yes - Just not my type of girl but as you can see, you find men different to me, I'm not telling you to change"

Them: "You won't get far with that attitude etc"

ME: "Not with women with your priorities, but that's not who I am looking for."

These women kind of hated me ever since we had that discussion.

 

[CMNILS87]

Conversation I had with a bunch of feminist friends:

Them: "So, fruitbat,what woman are you looking for?"

ME: "I like women who are home-orientated, want kids and don't obsess over a career"

Them:"WHAT WHAT WHAT!!! So, you want to put her in her place do you?"

Me: "No, I like womanly women - women who like babies, cry at movies. I don't mean stopping her working, I mean I find women with feminine aspects appealling"

Them: "So, because we want careers, you're saying we shouldn't have careers?"

Me; "NO! You do what you want! I just don't want to partner with women like you!"

Them: "So we have to be stay at home little wives?"

Me: "Let me explain. ALL OF YOU chose husbands and BF who were NOT male nannies, teachers of young children, fashion designers or weak, wimpy guys. You chose guys (one is an MMA fighter, the other a businessman etc) who had masuculine traits. Think of that in reverse. I want a woman who is womanly"

Them: "So we can't have careers and be womanly"

Me: "Yes - Just not my type of girl but as you can see, you find men different to me, I'm not telling you to change"

Them: "You won't get far with that attitude etc"

ME: "Not with women with your priorities, but that's not who I am looking for."

These women kind of hated me ever since we had that discussion.

Exactly... like who the hell are they to be telling you, you have an attitude. What you should've done was not play into the badgering and not gotten cooked by feminists.

 

[ManlyMichael]

Conversation I had with a bunch of feminist friends:

Them: "So, fruitbat,what woman are you looking for?"

ME: "I like women who are home-orientated, want kids and don't obsess over a career"

Them:"WHAT WHAT WHAT!!! So, you want to put her in her place do you?"

Me: "No, I like womanly women - women who like babies, cry at movies. I don't mean stopping her working, I mean I find women with feminine aspects appealling"

Them: "So, because we want careers, you're saying we shouldn't have careers?"

Me; "NO! You do what you want! I just don't want to partner with women like you!"

Them: "So we have to be stay at home little wives?"

Me: "Let me explain. ALL OF YOU chose husbands and BF who were NOT male nannies, teachers of young children, fashion designers or weak, wimpy guys. You chose guys (one is an MMA fighter, the other a businessman etc) who had masuculine traits. Think of that in reverse. I want a woman who is womanly"

Them: "So we can't have careers and be womanly"

Me: "Yes - Just not my type of girl but as you can see, you find men different to me, I'm not telling you to change"

Them: "You won't get far with that attitude etc"

ME: "Not with women with your priorities, but that's not who I am looking for."

These women kind of hated me ever since we had that discussion.

I would have said almost the same thing, except when they ask if they should change I would have been saying, yes you should change, men don't need your money or your advice, your career is completely undesirable, a man desires your willingness to cooperate with his goals and not yours. and when they said your not going far, I going nowhere, real man hold his ground, I'm here all day, what you woman going to do about it? Change your career to learn how to move me? How many men are like this and much more extreme and they done it all and seen it all. What truth is in your lips? When some one disagrees with you, you insult them and say they are not going far. That's right there shows the truth about your faulty ways.

 

[Fruitbat]

I would have said almost the same thing, except when they ask if they should change I would have been saying, yes you should change, men don't need your money or your advice, your career is completely undesirable, a man desires your willingness to cooperate with his goals and not yours. and when they said your not going far, I going nowhere, real man hold his ground, I'm here all day, what you woman going to do about it? Change your career to learn how to move me? How many men are like this and much more extreme and they done it all and seen it all. What truth is in your lips? When some one disagrees with you, you insult them and say they are not going far. That's right there shows the truth about your faulty ways.

No, that's called being a narcissist. Intensely narcissistic. Men and women co-operate on joint goals and nobody has a right to tell others how to live their lives. Religious dogma is driving your view, I would recommend some psychotherapy.

 

[ManlyMichael]

No, that's called being a narcissist. Intensely narcissistic. Men and women co-operate on joint goals and nobody has a right to tell others how to live their lives. Religious dogma is driving your view, I would recommend some psychotherapy.

No bro, your vision is short sighted, you think and assume I care about me, but I'm aware life is not about me. When I say my goals, I confess that those goals did not originate with me and neither are they for me. And your so sensitive that you think I don't have the freedom is speech to tell some1 how to live, I can say it today and tomorrow and it will never be wrong to voice such small things I say. All that I say has to do with putting her husband as more important than her goals, so that she could see and understand he is doing the same for the children.

Yes people have the right to tell you and command you, direct you and advise you. They have been through things you have not and it entitles them to speak. How is it your so soft and un firm? Your filled with hate and couldn't forgive, you have little endurance, you don't see past the short term yet, slow down fruit bat, you accuse me of too many things which are not true

 

[Fruitbat]

No bro, your vision is short sighted, you think and assume I care about me, but I'm aware life is not about me. When I say my goals, I confess that those goals did not originate with me and neither are they for me. And your so sensitive that you think I don't have the freedom is speech to tell some1 how to live, I can say it today and tomorrow and it will never be wrong to voice such small things I say. All that I say has to do with putting her husband as more important than her goals, so that she could see and understand he is doing the same for the children.

Yes people have the right to tell you and command you, direct you and advise you. They have been through things you have not and it entitles them to speak. How is it your so soft and un firm? Your filled with hate and couldn't forgive, you have little endurance, you don't see past the short term yet, slow down fruit bat, you accuse me of too many things which are not true

I'm a bit gobby, this is correct, yet I find you a bit condescending to be honest. Plus, your written English is poor which does not lend me accept advice.

There is a difference between "your" and "you're". If you haven't worked that out then I find it hard to accept advice. I have listened to some of your points and agree, I do not go in for this dominance or "never give in" frame fiction. I genuinely find the tone quite disrespectful, so I will repay in kind. It's also fairly personal which I believe is unmerited, and you have also referenced other threads at points to effectively attack ad hominem, which is where this started.

Perhaps best just to ignore each other from now on.

 

[ManlyMichael]

What is more important, my grammar or my message? Would you go to the store and not buy a 10lbs of "jdhrbcjbdh" because it came up as 9.88 lbs? And for that you would avoid a brother? You wouldn't go back shopping at that place for that??

I told you, you have a problem forgiving, it's a DEADLY problem in all people, and I stand by Christ Jesus for that reason

 

[Fruitbat]

Michael, all is forgiven. Looking on the main room.....you are not a narc bro, there are some extremely damaged folks who just seem to list their achievements and ages of their lays....over and over and over. My good lord, I am inclined to converse and convert to Christianity to avoid that place. This used to be a place of men discussing issues, the world,the dating market, how to be a better man. I really am not into this "PUA" contest molarky, but it is funny. I feel more in common with you now!

 

[ManlyMichael]

Thank you bro, and God bless you