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Feminine Ethics: You Gotta Do What You Gotta Do

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Warrior74 said:
Hey guys. I came back to post something about one of my girls. I only have one now.

My main girl, she tells me how her best friend was getting a ton of financial aid by lying on all of her forms. She tells me how this girl is basicallly worthless, lives off her husband who she hates, steals, lies and cheats. Then she tells me how she snitched her friend out and she lost her finacial aid and they government wants past money paid back. This is her best friend of 12 years.

I asked her why she did this and her first response was "she doesn't need it, I can't even get financial aid and I need it more than her"

I asked her how is that going to help her get what she needs. Of course she had no response. She then went on to trash her friend. So I asked her, why is she even friends with this person if she's so terrible. Again no response.

I told her, that I saw her in a new light and I wasn't sure that I could be with someone who treated their best friend that way. If she does this to her best friend, how would she treat me? She promised profusely that she would never be that way to me, she adores me. (Ya, I'm not falling for that). She told me how bad she felt about it. She didn't feel bad when she was telling me, only when I didn't cosign on it and called her on it.
This is the point. If I would have cosigned that, she would have felt smug and self satisfied.

She begged me not to be mad at her, sucked my diick and left to go to work. She asked me was I still mad at her, I told her I wasn't mad, I was disappointed and that I needed to take some time to think about where things were going between us. She's been blowing up my text all evening, but honestly it's over. That's just some scandalous behavior that cannot be tolerated. I'm gonna fade her out easy.
Excellent post!

A man would do the same thing to his best friend if he was wronged by him.

Revenge.

I have no comprehension as to why a woman would do the same thing for no reason... To her best friend!

That is why I throw morality out the window when gaming women.
 

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One need look no further than any given womans relationships with her friends to see how low they tend to fall on the morality/ethics scale. Then you have guys insisting that all you have to do is screen 1,000 of them to find the one gem who "isn't like that". ha

I recently fukked the best friend of a female friend of mine who I was having sex with at the time.

I didn't do anything wrong as I had no commitment to anyone, and the best friend arguably had as much of a "claim" on me as the other one, but it was funny to see her rationalize it. And there was no remorse. They are no longer friends and she could really care less. As a guy, something like that happens and you might do some rationalizing, but you have a conscience and it causes you internal grief. You are actually SORRY that in a moment of weakness you threw away a friendship. Women are more concerned about their OVERALL social standing than keeping good terms with one person.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
Some evolutionary psychologists have argued that the whole driving force behind our rapidly increased brain size was a need for deception, both of self and others, during the 300,000 pre-agricultural period.
What are the exact names of these "some" evolutionary psychologists?
 

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Its interesting looking at this stuff and saying that in my field of economics, we assume that people all act in what’s called “Rational Self Interest.” That means they always look to do the best for themselves. Funny thing is, is that it has nothing to do with absolute self interest, or what would get your best outcome of all your options.

Take morality, which could either help or hinder you. To the woman stealing from the great state of Florida, lack of morality in absolute terms hindered her, mainly cause jail isn’t fun. To Str8up’s example, a very strongly developed moral code might keep you away from nailing your FB’s best friend, with the base assumption that sex benefits you.

I see an interesting trend. That it happens more in women, they don’t have a finely developed sense of morality. When sex is determined in the womb, certain things grow, and others do not. Take the ****oris. Grow that out and it is a penis and you have a man. Don’t make it grow, it stays a ****oris and she becomes a woman.

Like the actions of anatomy, so goes the processing of information in the brain. The development of a moral code is innate, genetic device that grows in the male homo sapien. Such basal thing such as pack behaviour and bonding come out of the very basics of innate man’s moral code. Just as evolution has favored the development of a male moral code, it has seen fit to remove that trait from the female of the species. Instead in its place, we have a very strong mechanism to rationalize behaviour on an emotional basis. What arises is that the opposite of the strong moral code of man is the emotional rationalizations of women.

Simply stated:
* Morality is a predominantly male trait
* Emotion is a predominantly female trait.

There is a big divide here, in how we get from emotion to right and wrong. There is a significant tool that is used as justification to convert emotional positives to right and wrong. That is rationalization. The power of this rationalization is used to counteract morality. Since men have much stronger innate senses of morality, rationalizion is less likely to break above the moral code. In women, with less developed senses of morality, rationalizations are much easier to “win over” that person’s mind.

Above and beyond the innate moral code, we add on top of that framework learned moral codes. Things such as the 10 commandments, they are not innate. A prohibition on murder is not actually an innate morality. Those things are learned. This leads us to significant variations in individual moral codes. Take the example of the Turkish man. He is totally within his learned and innate moral code in honor killing his sister. While that might weigh against my personal morality, it is perfectly within his own bounds.

Men will rationalize. The Muscle Guy claims that he does not use his moral code when dealing with women. The difference is that he will still recognize when he is breaking his learned moral code. Thinking that these things are absolutes is a fallacy, as all men and women contain different levels of their morality and rationalizations.

Warrior brings an example of his chick turning in her friend. The emotional drive creates an incredible amount of satisfaction to follow it. Since the values are so high, emotion that strong is almost always followed, even to the absolute detriment of the person. Rational self interest says otherwise. The male side on the other hand, is much more grounded, away from emotion and much more plugged into reality.
 

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I don't have a problem with her turning in her friend,but rather with how she was her friend in the first place? I don't have any close friends who are liars and cheaters. The selfrighteousness she felt is another story,she'd feel the same way when she turned on you.
 

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fraud is fraud and she should be forced to pay back every cent of my hard earned tax money that she stole while she was busy proclaiming to the office that she was such a "hard working truthful" gal.
what a b itch!
 

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The Muscle Guy said:
I have no comprehension as to why a woman would do the same thing for no reason... To her best friend!
Extreme Jealousy. Friend is younger, prettier, married up, has a chump to help her raise some bad boys kid. Everything she wishes she had. She can't stand it.


sodbuster said:
I don't have a problem with her turning in her friend,
Really? Glad I'm not friends with you. Friends and family don't snitch on each other. You may tell someone they are wrong, try to show them the right thing to do, even help them get right (or not depending on the risk to you personally), or drop them from your life, but you don't snitch.

sodbuster said:
but rather with how she was her friend in the first place? I don't have any close friends who are liars and cheaters
They used to be on the same level until her friend married up.

Never be too sure about who you think your friends are, you might end up with a rude awakening.
 

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Dear KontrollerX,
Here's a true life example of something similar....about twelve years ago I lectured in a College,where I used to work out with a Young Woman in our Gymnasium.....She was A Student Counsellor....She was a very high minded Idealistic Lesbian,who had no Qualms about seducing young Students...So I was quite amazed perhaps with a touch of Schadenfreud to read in our local rag that this girl while living in shared accommodation had stolen three different identities and had been claiming Unemployment relief for them for eighteen months....So poor girl it seems she was having identity problems that caused personality abberrations...she had very expensive legal aid provided by the same tax payers she defrauded,and the upshot! she was ordered to pay back the money to be garnisheed at $5.00 a week from her pay and was given a good behaviour bond with the conviction unrecorded bacause of her good work amongst young Students....Amazingly she did not even lose her job...about a year after this I had to work over the Weekend at the College preparing an Exhibition,feeling a little jaded I wandered down to the Gym,as I neared the door I could hear loud music coming from inside,I opened the Door....Soddom and Gomorrah... there in various states of nakedness were eight or so dykes making love on about twenty or so gym mats they had spread on the floor...All the usual suspects were present,the Counsellor plus the College Psychologist who had spoken so eloquently at court on her behalf,two Lecturers,one of whom had also testified and the rest various students and Staff...So I departed,reflecting on the absolute Amorality of the Female Gender.........Thus it was in the Last Days of Rome.
 
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scrouds said:
Simply stated:
* Morality is a predominantly male trait
* Emotion is a predominantly female trait.


Men will rationalize. The Muscle Guy claims that he does not use his moral code when dealing with women. The difference is that he will still recognize when he is breaking his learned moral code. Thinking that these things are absolutes is a fallacy, as all men and women contain different levels of their morality and rationalizations.
I certainly agree with you that morality is generally a male trait. And yes I do rationalize, that's what men do.

The bigger question is why something is considered right and wrong.

The concept of an absolute moral code is an impossibility. It can only exist in the books of Kant. It breaks down in real life applications. I think we would all agree that killing a child is morally wrong. But, what if that child carried a disease that would wipe out most of humanity?

Our moral code is based on a social contract so we don't kill each other off in endless tribal wars. Take a good look at countries outside the Western world where the social contract is non-existent due to military dictatorships and revolutions.
 

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Scaramouche said:
there in various states of nakedness were eight or so dykes making love on about twenty or so gym mats they had spread on the floor
You gotta be kidding. I'd love just to say I actually witnessed something like that. What are the odds a straight guy would see a lesbian orgy taking place in a school gym that wasn't being filmed professionally...
 

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The Muscle Guy said:
I certainly agree with you that morality is generally a male trait. And yes I do rationalize, that's what men do.

The bigger question is why something is considered right and wrong.

The concept of an absolute moral code is an impossibility. It can only exist in the books of Kant. It breaks down in real life applications. I think we would all agree that killing a child is morally wrong. But, what if that child carried a disease that would wipe out most of humanity?

Our moral code is based on a social contract so we don't kill each other off in endless tribal wars. Take a good look at countries outside the Western world where the social contract is non-existent due to military dictatorships and revolutions.
I totally agree. When I look at this type of stuff, I focus on the individual. While it may be hard or impossible to reconsile, I refer to the individual's morality. How someone else and how society judges us are totally seperate issues, and while very important, is further beyond where i'll look.

The internal struggles of a person are totally different then the external struggles and pressures put upon them. There is no absolute morality, and there never will be. We could make the claim for a collective morality, which society imposes, either by way of law or by way of custom.
 

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DonS said:
Keep soothing your paternal anxieties with the mythical moral women as you toil and bleed to raise a litter of children who oddly look a lot like one of your wife's co-workers.

40% of women admit cheating on their husbands and 30% of all children are not fathered by the man named on the birth certificate. Game accordingly.

I've seen those statistics rattled off before, and they seem sound, but I'd like to see some sort of reference if anyone has them.
 
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