Fat Liberation Movement

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by DJDamage
...The Fat Liberation Movement wants the world to stay fat so that they won't feel bad about being fat!

It's as if they are implying "It's too difficult to do the due diligence of living a healthy life of balance, but it's much easier for us to try to convince you that this way of life is alright."

I haven't been up to the Great White North in a while, but I've seen more Europeans getting a bit zaftig in recent years. It's not as bad as the US but it's a noticeable change. The only thing that I've noticed as a change is more Western influence on their ways of life. More fast food, larger quantities, bigger is better.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Luveno
If it is ok to be a fat person, why isn't it ok to be a crack addict? I don't get it.

Fat people aren't breaking the law by eating too much and not exercising. They aren't commiting burglaries and such to be able to buy a Bic Mac and twinkies.

1. They die because of it. This puts a huge burden on the health care system, which could be better used to ..lets say... treat children with cancer. Fat diseases are the number 1 killer in North America.

If they are dead then they aren't costing anything at all on health care system. They work and pay insurance premiums just like everyone else. If you're going to be mad at fat people for getting sick then you need to blame smokers, everyone who has unprotected sex, people who ride motorcycles, ski, do extreme sports, use drugs, drink...because everyone takes risks with their health.

2. Their presence makes thin women more bytchy, due to AFC guys making the thin ones believe they're goddesses. Ever meet Brazilians? Swedes? They don't have half the attitude that north american women have, and you know why? It's because there are less fat girls over there- this makes it crucial for those attractive girls to have more going for them than their looks.

Don't blame fat women for men being stupid and idolizing thin women. Men are responsible for their own behavior.

3. It is unattractive to look at. The more widely accepted it is, the more guys are going to have to look at it as they walk down the street. God help you if you live in a warm part of the USA.

So what if it's unattractive to look at. Ugly people are just as unattractive to look at. No one likes seeing homeless people or drunks either. Some people don't like old people around and others don't like having kids around. What about men with excessive body hair or bald men? There are a lot of things many people consider to be unattractive...but that gives none of us any right to judge or condemn those people we deem unattractive. Again...don't look at what you don't like to see.

4. Most women are fat. Therefore, the dating game is a lot more difficult due to their presence. Less fat women = more approaches = more dates!

I think this is the part that bothers you. You want women to look and act in the way YOU want them to look and act. That's unreasonable. No one should be expected to live up to anyone else's expectations. People only need to live up to their OWN expectations. If you consider most women to be fat then you will either have to work harder to find a woman you are attracted to or you will have to change your standards accordingly. Just as you don't have to date or want something you aren't attracted to...fat people don't have to be anything other than what they want to or choose to be.

You also mentioned that women don't complain about fat men either. That's because looks are not paramount to a man's sexual attractiveness. For females, looks are, initially, the most important factor.

You're wrong...looks most certainly ARE paramount to a man's sexual attractiveness to MOST women. Women aren't any more attracted to fat men than men are to fat women. If looks didn't matter to women then there wouldn't be so many men who work out and try to be as handsome as possible. I would never date a fat or ugly man. If he's not hot I won't be interested in finding out what kind of personality he has. This is a truth none of the guys here like to hear...but it's an honest truth. Anyone who tells you that looks don't matter to MOST women are lying through their teeth.

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by penkitten
they made this miss fat america contest on tv and some of those ladies were very pretty even if they were fat.

Pretty?? as in they have a pretty face?? yes I can see that but not pretty enough face to kiss them, or pretty enough that I want to have sex with them.

Speaking of miss fat america, it is actually called I kidd you not
" MISS PLUS-SIZE AMERICA!" (Politically correctness has hit a new high or low, whichever point you view it)

http://insider.tv.yahoo.com/celeb/insdr20050802t162100002785/

For those who might scoff at a plus-size competition, Mrs. Plus America winner and personal trainer LINDA MARTIN says that they have plenty to be proud of.

"I dispel the myth that big women aren't healthy. We live and we breathe and we eat right. We're playing the hand that we were dealt and we're playing it well!"

LOL a personal trainer who is FAT promoting being FAT IS HEALTHY!! Is there anything wrong with this picture??? The whole purpose of personal training is to help people LOSE FAT! where did she get her certificate? Burger King????!!!

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
It's not that they're fat, it's just imposing their seemingly self righteous ideal. It's no different than religion. So what there's several types, it's just when someone attempts to force theirs on someone else, that's when the problems begin.

So yeah, people have the right to be fat; and people have the right not to accept people justifying their fatness. People have preferences and individual perceptions.

I don't really see or hear a lot of fat people telling people they have to like or date them. I hear a lot of fat people saying they are happy with who they are and how they look. I do hear a lot of people complaining about other people being fat, though.
It seems to bother thinner people more that people are fat than it bothers the people who actually are fat. That's just kinda dumb, IMO.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by DJDamage
Exactly what this post is all about, couldn't have said it better Francisco.

People who often feel as victims or are victims in society help to create movements to help them cope better and feel better about their situation. However when the movement wants their reality to be accepted by everyone in society by projecting their reality on them, then their will be conflict because its not everyone else's reality. Some movements are good and some are bad. This one is bad.

Its just like the homosexuals movement, there is nothing wrong with it if you are one, but as soon as you come on t.v and tell stright guys that they should experiment with other guys or making fun of stright guys and calling them lame then its unacceptable. What they are doing is trying to brainwash society to accept their reality so that hopefully others will follow and become homos and thus their reality will become the norm not the exception and they won't feel bad about it.

The Fat Liberation Movement wants the world to stay fat so that they won't feel bad about being fat!

I've never heard a gay guy go on tv and tell straight men to try being gay, lol.

That was a really bad ANALogy...hehehe.

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I've never heard a gay guy go on tv and tell straight men to try being gay, lol.

That was a really bad ANALogy...hehehe.

Come to Canada and see what is on t.v here!! ( I stopped watching t.v almost all together). I once flipped the channel late at night and there was a program on t.v called "Sex T.V" and there was a tranny promoting a book saying how people should not limit themselves to gender and should explore their sexuality by having sex with their own gender as well.

You are still in middle America where this kind of crap has not reached you yet.

 

[backbreaker]

I mean guys, it's really NOT THAT complicated.

Men instinvely are at tracted to thin, heatlhy women, because NATURALLY, we are looking for women to impregnate with our semen. IT's as natural as a bird looking at the brigtness of another birds feathers for attractive ness, or a lioness looking at a lions mange. We are trained to be attracted to certain things, in the overall scheme of things, being lazy / fat doesn't cut it... I our ancestors were lazy/ fat/ out of shape, we probably wouldn't be here today.


Just like a women goes gaga for a guy with ripped abs and a nice chest. Not because it's physically appealing to looking at (which it is) but because men are natural hunters and gathers, and the more manily you are, the more attractive you are to women.

I don't know about you, but I am not going to train myself to like fat women. And I don't expect for women to train themselves to like fat men.

What would I do if my wife gained 50 pounds can calaimed I was incenstive? I would get a divorce and not think twice about it. You only live once. I'll be damned if I am working my ass off, keeping myself below 7-8% body fat, working out at the gym, only to have my "fatter half" eat bun buns and tell me how big is beautiful... no it's not. If you don't care about your body enough to keep it in shape, why should I?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I don't really see or hear a lot of fat people telling people they have to like or date them. I hear a lot of fat people saying they are happy with who they are and how they look. I do hear a lot of people complaining about other people being fat, though.
It seems to bother thinner people more that people are fat than it bothers the people who actually are fat. That's just kinda dumb, IMO.

This may sound sexist but you probably haven't heard it because you are a woman. Trust me, I've had women try to chew me out when I rebuff their advances because I wasn't attracted to them. I wouldn't give them a reason but more times than not the ones who freak out say "It's because you think I'm fat, isn't it?!!" First thing through my mind is "It's readily apparent" but I hold my tongue. THEN they start unpacking all of their baggage about how society feels about them and start rattling off their justifications.

If I was taken aback by their physical appearance, their attitude really pushed me away. I've dated a beautiful large woman once (only once) and learned the hard way that they can carry a lot of baggage.

[rant=on]
What makes me angry is that marketing and products are leaning more toward people who are something other than thin. I went shopping for a pair of Dockers and I was surprised that they had a hidden elastic waistband that expands! I'm upset that clothing mostly come in small, medium, large, extra large, extra extra large and even extra extra extra large! What happened to numeric sizes? Women can buy bras in half sizes now but I can only buy a shirt with a 35 inch arm length if I buy one that fits someone with a 44 inch waist! Oops, my bad... I think that's an extra extra large...

I'm upset that fast food restaurants stopped selling small size drinks and fries. No, I don't want a medium or a large, and don't ask me to super-size it! I'm pissed that more and more restaurants are focusing and larger portions than quality food. I don't want unlimited bread sticks, free refills on Coke nor baked potatoes with double sour cream and double cheese! I just want a meal that can fit on one plate that hasn't been fried in partially hydrogenated vegetable fat....

Oh and don't get me started on our State Fair! Deep fried Snickers on a stick, deep fried Twinkies on a stick, deep fried spaghetti and meatballs on a stick, deep fried cheese on a stick, Bucket o' Cookies, deep fried Oreo's and chocolate covered bacon! WTF!!!

So you think thin people are bothered more by fat people? I wonder why....
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[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by DJDamage
Come to Canada and see what is on t.v here!! ( I stopped watching t.v almost all together). I once flipped the channel late at night and there was a program on t.v called "Sex T.V" and there was a tranny promoting a book saying how people should not limit themselves to gender and should explore their sexuality by having sex with their own gender as well.

You are still in middle America where this kind of crap has not reached you yet.

I'm in Vermont...the only place in the US where homosexuals can get married (civil unions) while packing a concealed gun without a permit. :woo:

Vermont was ahead of Canada when it comes to gay rights, lol.

 

[Wyldfire]

lol...are you all better now Francisco?

I've had guys who were very good looking get mad at me because I rejected them lots of times before. I think all people have the potential to get angry if you aren't interested in them, regardless of how good they do or don't look. It's not limited to fat people.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Don't blame fat women for men being stupid and idolizing thin women. Men are responsible for their own behavior.

And fat people are not?

So what if it's unattractive to look at. Ugly people are just as unattractive to look at. No one likes seeing homeless people or drunks either. Some people don't like old people around and others don't like having kids around. What about men with excessive body hair or bald men? There are a lot of things many people consider to be unattractive...but that gives none of us any right to judge or condemn those people we deem unattractive. Again...don't look at what you don't like to see.

Horrible point. Fat people aren't BORN obese. There's the occasional fat baby- I was one- and now I'm at ten percent body fat. What does that tell you? There is nothing in a woman's genetic code that says "cannot weigh under 250 lbs. at adult age". Everybody gets old- it can't be helped. The homeless have nowhere else to go. What is fat peoples' excuse? Lack of will power?

You're wrong...looks most certainly ARE paramount to a man's sexual attractiveness to MOST women. Women aren't any more attracted to fat men than men are to fat women. If looks didn't matter to women then there wouldn't be so many men who work out and try to be as handsome as possible. I would never date a fat or ugly man. If he's not hot I won't be interested in finding out what kind of personality he has. This is a truth none of the guys here like to hear...but it's an honest truth. Anyone who tells you that looks don't matter to MOST women are lying through their teeth.

It matters, but not nearly as much as it does to men, trust us. The idea that looks matter to women, though not as much as to men, is the very foundation of this extremely successful site.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
lol...are you all better now Francisco?

Yes, thank you...

I've had guys who were very good looking get mad at me because I rejected them lots of times before. I think all people have the potential to get angry if you aren't interested in them, regardless of how good they do or don't look. It's not limited to fat people.

It was the foreskin thing, wasn't it?

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by StrangeButTrue
And fat people are not?

Fat people aren't biotching that thin people need to be fat. That's the difference.

Horrible point. Fat people aren't BORN obese. There's the occasional fat baby- I was one- and now I'm at ten percent body fat. What does that tell you? There is nothing in a woman's genetic code that says "cannot weigh under 250 lbs. at adult age". Everybody gets old- it can't be helped. The homeless have nowhere else to go. What is fat peoples' excuse? Lack of will power?

No, it's not a horrible point. If you're going to complain about fat women, at least be honest about WHY you're complaining. You're angry because those women don't care if you like how they look or not. It's not about health or will power and it's not even about fat people. It's about guys like you who are pissed because there are less and less women who go out of their way to look the way YOU want them to look. And I'll say it again...it is NOT your business how fat they are and it's NOT your place to judge them. So what if they look gross...it's their perogative.

It matters, but not nearly as much as it does to men, trust us. The idea that looks matter to women, though not as much as to men, is the very foundation of this extremely successful site. [/B]

Looks matter to me. In fact, they are the most important thing to me when looking at men. If a guy isn't HOT then he's not ever going to get a chance to show any other traits he might have because I won't be interested in him.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Fat people aren't biotching that thin people need to be fat. That's the difference.

No, but they're *****ing how people should stop choosing skinny women over them, whether it be for dating, or modeling jobs, or anything.

No, it's not a horrible point. If you're going to complain about fat women, at least be honest about WHY you're complaining. You're angry because those women don't care if you like how they look or not. It's not about health or will power and it's not even about fat people. It's about guys like you who are pissed because there are less and less women who go out of their way to look the way YOU want them to look. And I'll say it again...it is NOT your business how fat they are and it's NOT your place to judge them. So what if they look gross...it's their perogative.

Yes, it is, because you are comparing apples and oranges- people who can help it and people who cannot. And honestly I couldn't care less about the "dating pool". That's an unfortunate side effect, which really only serves the exasperate their dating plight.

So maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth? I dislike this stupid movement for reasons mentioned before by others- they are trying to cram their unhealthy, stupid, disgusting lifestyle down our throats. It puts strain on so many things in society, it's not worth it listing them.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Yes, thank you...


It was the foreskin thing, wasn't it?

lol...nope, believe it or not I've been quite lucky in that regard. I think I have foreskin radar that causes me to not be attracted to men who have it. I've never had to ditch a guy for sporting a hoodie as of yet...but I would ditch him. Hoodies...just say NO!

I piss off guys who think they can grab my ass, boob or treat me like a slvt. One guy got a beer mug smashed on his forehead for grabbing my ass. And no...it wasn't an accident...he used two hands and gave a deliberate tweak and said something rude in my ear. I turned around, smiled demurely and smacked him with my beer mug so hard it smashed and he went down. He didn't even see it coming. :crackup:

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by StrangeButTrue
No, but they're *****ing how people should stop choosing skinny women over them, whether it be for dating, or modeling jobs, or anything.



Yes, it is, because you are comparing apples and oranges- people who can help it and people who cannot. And honestly I couldn't care less about the "dating pool". That's an unfortunate side effect, which really only serves the exasperate their dating plight.

So maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth? I dislike this stupid movement for reasons mentioned before by others- they are trying to cram their unhealthy, stupid, disgusting lifestyle down our throats. It puts strain on so many things in society, it's not worth it listing them.

Ugly people can get plastic surgery
All men can get rid of that nasty foreskin
Alcoholics and drug addicts can stop drinking and doing drugs.


Why no anger and hating on other groups? The fact that "fat women" get more hate on here than any other group that all of the same "strains" can be attributed to suggests that the guys are just mad because more and more women don't feel compelled to look how men think she should and instead looks how she wants to look.

If there was equal complaining about other groups considered "unattractive" or "flawed" or "lacking will power" then the excuses I'm hearing on here might be plausible...but as it stands right now...they simply aren't. It all boils down to you being mad that women aren't bending over backwards to please men anymore. Gotta call a spade a spade...

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Ugly people can get plastic surgery

Yeah, for thousands of dollars, whereas a fat person LOSING weight, will SAVE them money in the long term. Not to mention they were born that, way, they have to play with the hand they were dealt, for the most part. Fat people without an underlying medical condition have nobody to blame but themselves, as the lawsuit against McDonald's showed.

All men can get rid of that nasty foreskin

There are a lot less men with foreskin than there are obese women, and the horrible foreskin epidemic isn't destroying the nation's GNP and crying out for acceptance.

Alcoholics and drug addicts can stop drinking and doing drugs.

Who was defending alcoholics and druggies? There is plenty of hate thrown their way on this forum, if you'd pay attention closely.

Why no anger and hating on other groups? The fact that "fat women" get more hate on here than any other group

One thing you have not noticed is that the only person who is making this an issue of fat women is you. We are talking about the morbidly obese in general, you are making it about women. Says a lot.

Anything else?

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
guys are just mad because more and more women don't feel compelled to look how men think she should and instead looks how she wants to look.

Wrong. Fat women don't want to be fat! they want to be sexy and desired like any other women! but it takes time and effort to get out of this situation and most of them just give up!! so they accept being fat because its easier! those women tend to have alot of self esteem issues and seek refuge with food. No women wants to look fat and repulse men. But because they are fat they become bitter and really hate the men who love fit body women.

Hearing fat people saying they are happy about their looks is a lie and the more the lie spread that BBW is sexy, the more fat people are going to buy into this lie.

The Emperor is naked and he is not wearing any cloths!

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I think I need another break from this place. Fat liberation isn't a real movement: fat lib groups aren't plentiful, they dont threaten society in anyway, most fat ppl dont want to be fat, but lack the personal efficacy to change, this is not all that important, there is not a hot girl shortage, this just another wasteful hot button issue for internet forum junkies and bottom level talk show host types to whine about.

Such a non issue.....

no one here is truly concerned over the health of fat people, its is our own self-rightiousness that we stroke when we broach BS topics like this.

 

[Lost In Translation]

PR_L : " SAY NO TO FAT H0S !!!!!!!!!!!!! "

we all have a responsibility to look after our bodies

if the government really cared like they do complaining about all the people needing medical expenses

they would make laws to promote healthy food from CORPORATIONS

that super size me movie

the dude that made that needs a medal

he changed the McDonalds menu in my country

just by showing what the CORPORATIONS are doing to the population while the health officals look the other way

if schools can BAN junk food and sell only healthy foods

why can't the government ?

too much money in the back pocket


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