....Eye Opener....wow!

[Tony T]

Check out this article...i believe it to be true.

How did this happen?

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/women-are-overtaking-men-in-the-u-s/?hpid=topnews

 

[Jitterbug]

Yet they're still perpetual victims - says the co-author of the Shriver report:

"Girls today grow up in a post-feminist environment, being told they can do whatever they want in life," Boushey said. "But then they get out into the workplace and they find that they still make just 77 cents on the dollar compared with men."

Someone calls the Waaaahbulance.

I don't know how girls are beating boys academically at school, college, postgrad and at the workplaces, but considering how dumb girls at uni are in their own majors (ever heard them talk? "omg, like, I was totally, like, you know!"), I'd say that is no victory.

 

[jophil28]

How are they at designing complex electronics control systems, repairing the washing machine or donating sperm.

 

[Tony T]

Well guys...here's how that happens.

You have Reverse discrimination goin on...so Women are classified as minorities. That means all you White Males are now rated at a disadvantage because a minority student gets priority over you White Males (that's why its called reverse discrimination).

Now...if your test scores are not 25% higher than those of your counterpart minority students...you lose your spot at your FAVORITE college because some MINORITY student has taken your slot !

GET IT?

So...15yrs ago...when this was in full-effect, you had men who were more qualified than their counterpart MINORITY students getting bumped out of their rightful positions or schools....they had to settle for a LOWER standard school or simply changed their chosen profession.

That's ONE of the reasons we see women advancing AHEAD of men in the workforce....

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The problem with tossing out quick-hit statistics for fast food type articles like this is that it takes a real effort to look at the underlying factors contributing to them. Yes, women statistically earn 77¢ on a man's dollar, however they also only make up 40% of the workforce. Dr. Warren Farrell covers this admirably in his book, Why Men Earn More:

Men earn more than women, but not for the same work—for 25 different workplace choices. Men’s choices lead to men earning more money; women’s choices lead to women having better lives.

Men’s trade-offs include working more hours (women typically work more at home); taking more-hazardous assignments (cab-driving; construction; trucking); moving overseas or to an undesirable location on-demand (women’s greater family obligations inhibit this); and training for more-technical jobs with less people contact (e.g., engineering).

Women’s choices appear more likely to involve a balance between work and the rest of life. Women are more likely to balance income with a desire for safety, fulfillment, potential for personal growth, flexibility and proximity-to-home. These lifestyle advantages lead to more people competing for these jobs and thus lower pay

Women may statistically be earning more degrees, higher degrees, going back to re-train / re-educate for a new career choice, but again, what are the factors and the consequences of doing so? We can bemoan the evils feminism has woven into our social fabric, but look at the causes for these stats first. A high percentage of women enter college to get their "MRS. Degree" looking for a suitable husband. What are the higher frequency of women seeking a degree actually majoring in? Areas where they'll actually use their education in a career? Careers where there are more women just like themselves competing for the same jobs? Is this due to first wave feminism making women "minorities" our rather is it due to more accessible education since women started making these educational advances? Where are women graduating from? Are their degrees mostly from Phoenix Online University or Stanford?

Is it feminism or simply a greater commercial access to student loans in the past 50 years that's responsible for this increase? Which sex defaults on student loans more frequently? Which sex follows their educational path into a career the most? When a woman with a high student debt load marries and then divorces, which sex is most likely to be stuck with (at least half) that debt, that they themselves didn't incur (to say nothing about credit debt incurred during college), in a divorce settlement? Which sex is more likely to be the provide financial support while the other goes back to school to retrain?

Feminized society likes to claim all the positives as rewarded evidence of their progress, while ignoring and/or vilifying the means necessary to achieve it. It's also equally ignorant to blame ancient feminists and affirmative action for the same state - particularly in light of the commercialization of education in the last 40-50 years. Lets not forget which gender has been considered the primary consumer in western society for the past 50 years too. Education is just another commodity we sell now, it doesn't guarantee sh!t - just ask any recent college grad with a master's degree looking for work for the past 2 years in this economy.

 

[Colossus]

I just interviewed for a graduate medical program yesterday. They told us that 80% of the class is female. Out of 41 students, only 7 are male. Now this doesnt bother me because most of them were hot, plus males have a higher chance of getting accepted; but I wondered why this is. They said it's like this way across the board, at all 141 Physician Assistant programs. Women outnumber men in medical school, professional programs, and even undergraduate enrollment.

I think it's multifactorial; we cant just point the finger at feminism. Women are naturally drawn to caring professions---look at nursing and allied health. Access to these programs, especially professional programs, has been made much easier through the big business of academia literally catering to anyone other than white men. Loans and scholarships are more accessible, and women tend to have better grades. In some ways schools are trying to build a diversified class, but there is definitely preferential treatment that is flat-out unfair to more qualified applicants. This is especially true in medical school, which is crazy-competitive now.

Also, I think women tend to be more studious than men these days. They are better at taking care of their academic obligations, following the rules, and doing things in groups. Men are much more likely to screw off, blow off class, and have difficulty concentrating. I'm just stating this anecdotally, but I bet there are some studies that demonstrate this.

So not only are they told they can and should have everything they want, but there is a big social encouragement for them to go to college. I think college, in general, is a debt machine. There are so many of them now that ANYONE can go to college and get a Bachelors. As a result I think we are seeing a big devaluation of higher education. You can still go far in life with the right education, but now you have to go much farther to do so. And there are only a few fields that are consistently reliable and profitable, and they are becoming more competitive by the day.

Women love this new wave of academic domination because the feel it finally "proves" they are smarter than men. Fact is, higher education is a business. And like any business, the bottom line is to generate a profit.

 

[Trader]

Women do what all the other women are doing. Any honest woman will tell you this. The schools they go to, the stuff they buy, the way they look....

I agree - girls tend not to have any sense of self

Also, I think women tend to be more studious than men these days. They are better at taking care of their academic obligations, following the rules, and doing things in groups. Men are much more likely to screw off, blow off class, and have difficulty concentrating. I'm just stating this anecdotally, but I bet there are some studies that demonstrate this.

My experiences are the same as yours - in the US, girls tend to be more studious than men

But here is my question to you, WHY are men not as studious as girls? Did men grow less studious over time?

My intuition tells me that part of it has to do with the fact that men are even more sexually obsessed than ever - due to porn and the mainstream media glorifying the 'have fun, chase girls' lifestyle instead of diligently applying yourself

 

[Tazman]

My intuition tells me that part of it has to do with the fact that men are even more sexually obsessed than ever - due to porn and the mainstream media glorifying the 'have fun, chase girls' lifestyle instead of diligently applying yourself

I have to disagree with this. I don't think porn and/or the mainstream media are making men "obsess" over sex.

Guys who never amount to much of anything don't desire sex more than guys who do, I think a lot of these outcomes depend on circumstance/environment and personality.

Guys will always run the full spectrum. We'll be at the very top, the middle and the bottom. Most women will fall in the middle.

 

[Duffdog]

I agree - girls tend not to have any sense of self



My experiences are the same as yours - in the US, girls tend to be more studious than men

But here is my question to you, WHY are men not as studious as girls? Did men grow less studious over time?

Most men, especially those from affluent families, have opened their eyes to the realization that degrees are nothing more than expensive pieces of paper. Your success in the business world depends solely on how good you are at committing and then concealing fraud. Unfortunately, men are vastly better at getting away with fraud than women. So, while a female might have a degree from Harvard, unless she participated in the male dominated social groups that fostered nepotism and planned the grand post-graduation schemes designed to strip the average person of his/her wealth, she will never break into the upper echelon social ranks and receive her similarly sized compensation. Due to the physiological differences between the male and female gender, women are less apt to feel indifferent about kicking a family out on the street and taking all their wealth by force than a male would. Thus, women are intentionally kept out of the ranks of males who have mastered the art of greed.

In short, women have more "faith." That's why they study harder.

 

[Colossus]

But here is my question to you, WHY are men not as studious as girls? Did men grow less studious over time?

Traditionally men have always been much more driven. It's in the nature of man to strive for the best and beat the rest. The world of men has always been competitive.

I think the lackluster academic work ethic in men today has a lot to do with culture. I know that sounds really vague, but what I mean is we live in a time when there are so many options, paths, and distractions. Most people don't know what the fvck they want to do with their lives until their late twenties or early thirties. Almost everyone goes to college now, and it has become more of a coming-of-age rite of passage than a means to an end. How many 18-21 guys know what they want to with their life, seriously? I mean everyone has ideas but rare is the dude who has a real, definite plan at that age.

Additionally, most of the stuff you learn in college is just uninteresting jerk-off work. The majority of people major in business or marketing/communications; which is just another name for "I have no idea what I want to do". When you combine the 18-22 age period with a complete lack of a plan and an insulated culture of binge drinking, casual sex, and utter irresponsibility.....it's little wonder a lot of guys suck in school.

Traditionally when men when to college they had more of a plan, a purpose. They didn't just go because it seemed like the next step in life and that's what everyone else was doing.


I think women do better because they operate as a herd, and they are just more compliant in general. Girls do everything in groups. They study together, do homework together, and go out together. They aren't given to the extremes that men are. And let's not confuse academic success in undergrad with intelligence either. Often the two are totally unrelated. Getting good grades, especially in non-science majors, is a matter of just doing your work and being prepared for a test. It's not that hard, and you don't even have to know that much. Just do the assignments, study with your friends, and a 3.0 is easily achieved.

 

[SXS]

This chick is a role model for woman and she was accepted into University:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

WTF! I don't even speak english and I still sound 10 times better than this girl. Nobody can understand what she said.

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

Most men, especially those from affluent families, have opened their eyes to the realization that degrees are nothing more than expensive pieces of paper. Your success in the business world depends solely on how good you are at committing and then concealing fraud. Unfortunately, men are vastly better at getting away with fraud than women. So, while a female might have a degree from Harvard, unless she participated in the male dominated social groups that fostered nepotism and planned the grand post-graduation schemes designed to strip the average person of his/her wealth, she will never break into the upper echelon social ranks and receive her similarly sized compensation.

What the hell kind of business are you in? This is just a case of stinkin' thinkin'.

Financial success is the business of helping others get what they want and solving their problems. We do not bemoan the dreamers and entrepreneurs who have made our modern age, but a pessimistic person would focus on the bad apples who *temporarily* make it by ripping people off. Economic karma is a very real and powerful force, we always get what we put out.

 

[Mex]

I think women do better because they operate as a herd, and they are just more compliant in general. Girls do everything in groups. They study together, do homework together, and go out together. They aren't given to the extremes that men are. And let's not confuse academic success in undergrad with intelligence either. Often the two are totally unrelated. Getting good grades, especially in non-science majors, is a matter of just doing your work and being prepared for a test. It's not that hard, and you don't even have to know that much. Just do the assignments, study with your friends, and a 3.0 is easily achieved.

And a 3.0 is really not that impressive anymore.

http://gradeinflation.com/

 

[Duffdog]

What the hell kind of business are you in? This is just a case of stinkin' thinkin'.

Financial success is the business of helping others get what they want and solving their problems. We do not bemoan the dreamers and entrepreneurs who have made our modern age, but a pessimistic person would focus on the bad apples who *temporarily* make it by ripping people off. Economic karma is a very real and powerful force, we always get what we put out.

All of those who are/were immensely successful at business did so via defrauding or destroying their competitors and/or forcing their consumers to purchase their product or...die. "honest" companies are bankrupt or have been stomped on by the less honest, it has been a repeating cycle since the dawn of this country. Name one corporation or company in the top 100 that does not have at least 40 lawsuits pending for fraud on multiple levels. Currently, Wal-mart has 5,000 lawsuits pending accusing it of fraud on every level of its organization and in every department. The only difference between a "bad" company and a "good" company is that the "good" companies are much better at hiding their fraud and have purchased and/or bribed the media and legislators to ensure their survival. "Bad" companies are just less skilled at fraud hiding.

Also, people who believe in "god" in any form are weak-minded and have no place in business at all. They are better off giving their money to a church in order to feel better about themselves. Leave the money making to the professional, non-karma people.

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

Duffdog, faith is the foundation of any success that anyone ever obtained, anywhere.

For how else could it be?

No one ever started a business or career with a crystal ball that told them they would be rich or obtain their definition of success in whatever endeavor they were pursuing.

It was their ability to have faith in the unseen that took them to such heights.

And yes, many who have faith in religion do so from a position of weakness, just like those miserable souls who choose to see treachery and inequity everywhere they look. The world is indeed a mirror.

You sound like a liberal, so I will take your words about making money as a joke. But given your narrow vision and defeatist attitude, you would make an excellent employee. Sh!t rolls downhill, and who better to catch it than someone who is already wallowing in it?

One business does not triumph over another because of fraud or dilusion. They may gain a fleeting advantage, but it is never worth the trouble, as the story ends in liquidation and prison sentences. But such incidents make great stories, and are even more effective for the orchestration of class warfare we see happening in America. Less known are the stories of businesses built by rendering a product or service superior to that of their competitors, but they surround us in far greater abundance than successful con artists. Silently they make our lives better, and are far removed from the media blitz reserved for a Bernie Madoff or Enron.

Though I may lead you to water, I accept that I cannot make you drink. I just hope you have some huge revelation that brings a torrent of positive, self-determinate, masculine thoughts and energy into your life.

 

[Duffdog]

Duffdog, faith is the foundation of any success that anyone ever obtained, anywhere.

Bullsh1t. I could just as easily say that pine trees are the foundation of any success...and you can't prove me wrong because pine trees are incapable of being wrong. So there.

For how else could it be?

Uh, how about through calculated mitigation of freedom and enslavement via oligopoly. What!? You mean they didn't cover these concepts in "business ethics"?!?!?

No one ever started a business or career with a crystal ball that told them they would be rich or obtain their definition of success in whatever endeavor they were pursuing.

Wanna bet?

It was their ability to have faith in the unseen that took them to such heights.

whatever dude, faith is a tool used by religion to sell a product with no warranty. As in: have faith in me (and give me your money) and I will guarantee a place for you in the afterlife.

And yes, many who have faith in religion do so from a position of weakness, just like those miserable souls who choose to see treachery and inequity everywhere they look. The world is indeed a mirror.

I am not miserable, I am well informed and come from a family which has made sure that I will be wealthy no matter what happens. I don't need to care about poor losers who wish to one day break into the ranks of the successful families who have backstopped themselves against the futile uprising of the weakened middle class. Save your equality speech for some poor graduate with a masters degree in business who wonders why he can't find a job.

You sound like a liberal, so I will take your words about making money as a joke. But given your narrow vision and defeatist attitude, you would make an excellent employee. Sh!t rolls downhill, and who better to catch it than someone who is already wallowing in it?

I am not a 'defeatist', I am a 'realist'...as in, I will use my reality to defeat you and your puny neo-christian attitudes and whatever small insignificant company you chose to operate. Remember, Rockefeller himself stated that "competition is a sin", meaning in no uncertain terms that he considered himself a deity and that any who opposed him literally opposed god. So this is how it works: more powerful people simply kill whomever opposes them and declare themselves the ultimate authority simply because they can. Since I have been given the self-renewing license to stomp on whomever I want and get away with it, I will. I will then choose some unfortunate soul like Madoff to be the scapegoat while I get away scot-free. Additionally, since I own the media, I will decide what they say and be sure that they only target people I have set aside at targets.

One business does not triumph over another because of fraud or dilusion. They may gain a fleeting advantage, but it is never worth the trouble, as the story ends in liquidation and prison sentences.

Yeah, sure...what about Chase bank? Forget about them? They get away with whatever they want and laugh at any government or agency who tries to stop them. Laws are rewritten to make whatever they do legal when they do it. Tell me, how many people from Chase have gone to prison or appeared in the news? Do you think that particular bank is immune to fraud and has done nothing wrong? No...they are just better at hiding their fraud since they fund viacom and will yank their funding the second any news agency publishes a negative story about Chase. Additionally, please name the point in history when Chase bank "ended in liquidation." This just proves that you don't know what you are talking about-- or more likely, that you are incapable of believing the truth about business/life/the world in general. Instead you would prefer to sit around and profess to know some higher power while your wealth is being ripped from your hands in broad daylight.


But such incidents make great stories, and are even more effective for the orchestration of class warfare we see happening in America. Less known are the stories of businesses built by rendering a product or service superior to that of their competitors, but they surround us in far greater abundance than successful con artists. Silently they make our lives better, and are far removed from the media blitz reserved for a Bernie Madoff or Enron.

Again...whatever. Name one (1) company that has ever created something that has influenced the lives of every American that did not in some way involve bribing/fraud/theft or general deceit to accomplish that goal. Just one company and product. And if its not too much trouble, a company that is still in business. Your claim that "they surround us in far greater abundance than successful con artists" sounds like you pulled it out of thin air. I assume that you have proper statistical evidence to back this up? Of course not. I might as well make the claim that society's health is based solely on the number of pine trees in the northern hemisphere and anyone who questions me is automatically wrong because they are upsetting the pine-god.

Though I may lead you to water, I accept that I cannot make you drink. I just hope you have some huge revelation that brings a torrent of positive, self-determinate, masculine thoughts and energy into your life.

How about "YOU SUCK" and "YOU ARE WRONG." I think that is just about the most positive thought to come out of this thread.