EYE contact stuff

[HuggyBear]

Hello
I am new here and been reading the DJ Bible right now I am very interested in the EYE contact part. IS there any websites that tell you some more info on this?

I was with this girl today that I like and She said she is liking me _does that suprise me? Heck NO_ anyway I know her well so I really didn't worry about looking like a weirdo. But I was sitting down at a desk and she was standing facing me on the Phone. Well I was getting annoyed on waiting so, I started looking into her eyes non-stop to bother her. What I thought was interesting was she would hold eye contact for a few seconds then Look away Then look back into my eyes then away then back over and over till she got off the phone. Sometimes she would look down and away others she would turn. I couldn't tell about her eyes dialating, which I have read here that may not be accurate. Then we go to lunch in a dark resturant and I do the same thing not constant though. I still wasn't sure on the dialation I just am not good at that yet. She would do the same thing look then look away then look back over and over. Of course I wouldn't use this with woman I am just meeting, but I just wondered what others thought of her reaction?

 

[Microphone Fiend]

I'd say "screw the EC" not because it isn't reliable, but because it is kinda like overkill. Unless the chick is looking at you with a pure hatred, it is almost always good to approach any time after she initiates EC.

I wouldn't lok too much into the phone part tho because I (like many other people) just look whereever when I'm on the phone and you just aren't focusing so you don't really think about where you are looking

EC alone will get you NO-WHERE you need to make your you are stimualting her with goo conversation and other Dj'ing skills....

 

[HuggyBear]

Anybody?

 

[mrsoy]

Originally posted by Microphone Fiend
I'd say "screw the EC" not because it isn't reliable, but because it is kinda like overkill. Unless the chick is looking at you with a pure hatred, it is almost always good to approach any time after she initiates EC.

I wouldn't lok too much into the phone part tho because I (like many other people) just look whereever when I'm on the phone and you just aren't focusing so you don't really think about where you are looking

EC alone will get you NO-WHERE you need to make your you are stimualting her with goo conversation and other Dj'ing skills....

bump

 

[MDgood]

If after she breaks eye contact:

1) she looks/glances down, and then away: she's interested.

2) she looks/glances directly off to the side: she's not interested.

 

[TesuqueRed]

Quick advice guy--you're going thru the bible and other places for advice. When you find gems, copy them and dump them into a text file or word doc under subject title and keep it.

Like I do (and most others here, too.) There were 3-4 un-fvcking-real gems that I, uh, forgot to do this with and I regret the eternal loss into the internet ether of these gems....

But I did keep one for eye-contact!

Check this out, think about it, experiment, report back your results, Ok?

So, from my archives.....
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David Shade writes about Eye Contact Theory



From: David Shade
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Subject: Re: Eye Contact
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In article <7j8j9c$cdu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
daddy03@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've been reading the many helpful posts by all the experienced
players.
> I was wondering how the experts utilize eye contact. Do you guys when
> you first see a girl you like try to establish eye contact? What
> happens after you get eye contact? For some reason, when I make eye
> contact with a girl, I feel like I'm violting her in some sort of way.
> It's as if a girl can sense that I'm lusting after her with my eyes.

That's what you want her to sense.

I posted this once, and I will cut and paste it again...

Eye Contact Experiment

I asked one woman friend of mine "why did you go out with him?"
and she replied: "because when I looked at him he kept eye contact with
me."

When I recall the very successful people I have had the pleasure of working for in the
corporate world, I remember that they all maintained eye contact while speaking to me.
When you watch somebody successful being interviewed on TV, like Scott McNealy of
Sun, you notice that they never look away from their interviewer's eyes
and they rarely blink.

You are approaching a chick in the hall as you walk towards each other. When should
you look at her? (Her eyes, silly. If you look at anything else, it's over.) I have tried all
combinations. If I wait until the last instant, I either find she is not looking, or, if she is
looking, she quickly looks away. If I look at her and she looks at me and I look away,
then she never looks again. Then I tried something bold and decide I will look at her
eyes the entire time. To my amazement, she gazes like a deer into headlights. Never
breaks eye contact. So I decide to try this little experiment.

Recently I spent a week attending meetings in one of our buildings filled with educated
successful professional women in their 20's and 30's. Most are definitely doable. Some
are gorgeous. Some are married, some are not. I spent my time between meetings trying
this: I would pick a different floor and I would walk down each hall, walking just slightly
to the right of center. When I saw a woman walking towards me, I maintained looking at
her eyes. Only the heavy ones did not keep looking. But for all the others, including the
gorgeous ones, they maintained eye contact the entire time. I never blinked. They never
blinked. They broke eye contact only when we were just about next to each other. I
broke eye contact only after she did. What really amazed me was that by the time we
passed, almost every chick had broken a smile. Some even said "Hi." I did not smile or
say Hi until they first did.

These halls were not long. Each woman was no farther than 30 feet away when I first
saw her. But what if it had been a very long hall? How far down the hall should I start
looking at her eyes? I certainly don't want to scare her. I look straight ahead, and then
when she is about 30 feet away, I start looking into her eyes.

I then went to the mall a few times to try the experiment there. Most did not look at all.
Of those who did look, most only looked for a second. Only about a third locked on. Of
those, about half broke a smile or said Hi. A couple of them where so moved that they
almost tripped.

Do you have to be walking? I tried the experiment while sitting. Almost none maintained
eye contact. Do they have to be walking? While I was walking I would look at any
chicks who were sitting. The results were the same as if we were both walking.

If I was approaching two chicks, and looked from one to the other, I lost them both. So,
if I am in such a situation, I lock onto one and I don't change my mind.

If I smiled or said Hi, while she was still looking at me, but before she smiled or said Hi,
it would usually result in my loosing her. On rare instances did it make her smile and say
Hi with enthusiasm. So, I never smile or say Hi until she first does so, and I smile if she
smiles and say Hi if she says Hi.

If she did not lock eye contact with me, I would go ahead and say Hi when she got close
to me. In many instances she would then enthusiastically turn to me and smile and say Hi.

I would also look at chicks who were with a man if he was not looking in my general
direction. I was surprised at the number of times that she would lock on and actually
smile.

I noticed that the better I dressed, or the sexier I dressed, the better I did. I noticed that
the women who looked where better dressed then those who did not.


Eye contact in a bar is an entire science in itself. When done correctly, it can be
****ing lethal.

Real players never stare. They lock eye contact. There is a difference between
staring and locking eye contact. They are two totally different things.

When you look at a woman, here is what you do. Lock eye contact with her. Don't
blink. Don't look at her friend. Pick one eye and don't let go. You only get one chance
at this. Don't give up. Don't smile. Don't say anything. You are telling her that you are
interested in her and you are not intimidated by her. Then leave it up to her. You will be
amazed at the staring capability that women posses.

She is thinking "Who is this guy to be so bold as to continue looking at me while I look
at him? Now this is interesting. He is different." She knows that if she lets go now, she
will loose you. She will go one of two ways. If she wants to loose you, she will break
eye contact and look away. If she does not want to loose you, but is instead intrigued by
what you are doing, she knows that she has to eventually end the stare down and she
will have to make the move. She will have to either smile or say Hi.

If she smiles, you smile. If she says Hi, you say Hi. Don't say Hello. Then you reward
her and make your move.

Of course, you don't always have to wait for eye contact to make your move.

David Shade
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[Player_Supreme]

Making Eye Contact.
I have learned that it is best when looking at a woman to have a look of evaluation and appraisal in your eyes. You gotta keep symp emotion off your face and look her in the eye with deep intensity. Once you make the connection, then break away and look from her feet back up to her eyes with a look of that you are evaluating the *****.
Most women being seekers of attention will feel inferior due to your look of evaluation. She will wonder if she is wearing the right outfit or **** like that.
Now get her eye contact again while your looking unaffected, confident, and appraising and hold the eye contact until she looks away. Remember don’t try the wolf look, but instead keep all sexual energy out of the look. You are appraising her for her chances to be with you.
When you step to her walk as if you are a lion on the prowl. Of course you read about clout so looking your best you step over to interview the ***** to see if she fits your needs.

 

[Player_Supreme]

4 Keys to Hittin It.

Step 1: Don’t shuck and jive with your hat in your hand with no biatch.

When you approach or she approaches, don’t act like you are a punk just meeting a fine babe for the first time. The biatch will sense your insecurities and you aszs will get nowhere real fast. Never act like you are a punk to a biatch.

Step2: Put that ho in her place

Alota mutha fuycka’s act like they are in the presence of some famous actor when they meet dimes and get all nervous and ****. They freeze up and hem and haw. Ain’t no biatch made with a superhuman puassy. Don’t make her azss god almighty and you become one of those biblical prophets falling down to his knees shaking and quaking. This will leave you with the “friend” mark. Your azss is dead in the water even before you open you mutha ****in mouth. Instant death because you acted like a weak-skinny low clout boy.

The first thing you must do is take that biatch off her cloud pedistal and put her in the reality of your mutha fuyckin mind. If you have to, imagine her ass taking a dump to take the veneer of godhood of her azss. Do what ever it takes to snap yo’ azss back into reality.

Take the attitude of a successful pimp. Adopt the outlook that this ho’ must prove herself worthy to yo’ azss. This will reverse the game. Her status will go down in ya mind and your status will “raise up like the dead” in her mind. Try it this shyit works.

Step3: Show the biatch that you got game and you’re a major player.

When you first meet a ho’ most of the game is non-verbal in nature. What you gotta do is get the biatches interest first, then use your mouthpiece. You gotta have your front looking good (clothes, style, dress, grooming). Your shyit’s gotta say yo azss is a player. Forget that baggy assed bum look. This **** is for true hard mutha ****a’s. Real O.G’s.

Step4: Catch the biatches eye.

I see a lot of mutha’s look then they shoot themselves down with the “averted gaze” reflex. You gotta learn how to hold a biatches look without backing down. It’s a war to show your manhood if you lose you lose the game. This **** takes practice. When a biatch notices me looking at her ass I don’t look away. I give her a deep look and add a slight confident smile, note that’s non-verbal. What I communicate is that I am man enough to handle yo’ biatch ass ho and I will make you bow down before a real man.

Timing is everything. You want to hold eye contact with her and smile for atleast 5 seconds. Then break away for about two seconds then give the ho a lingering look again. You want her ass to look down and this will show that she is submissive to you now.

This is your first non-verbal communication tool. This will tell you if the biatch is interested or not. Don’t beat yourself up this shait takes practice. Approach the game focused on the process not the outcome. Learn to have fun playing the game.

I was at a club one night and heard some punk bragging about his daddy was a pimp and his daddies daddy was a pimp and you gotta be born with it. I told him f*uck that holmes. I'm a self made man. But this young punk did use the above eye contact shyt with great success that night. I was amused that he was doing the same shyt that I do in the night club scene.

moral is eye contact works if you use it correctly.

 

[DJ_Dork]

(do not post essay long replies)

Anyways, eye contact is a good measure of interest but not really most of the time. If she's looking to the side (out in space) but if you turn your head for a moment and her eyeballs are watching you (like on the corners) she's watching you which is obviously interest.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by MDgood
If after she breaks eye contact:

1) she looks/glances down, and then away: she's interested.

2) she looks/glances directly off to the side: she's not interested.

You are ABSOLUTELY correct!

 

[chlywly]

Player_Supreme that was too ****ing funny, hehe but I tend to agree

 

[MDgood]

Originally posted by DJ_Dork
(do not post essay long replies)

Anyways, eye contact is a good measure of interest but not really most of the time. If she's looking to the side (out in space) but if you turn your head for a moment and her eyeballs are watching you (like on the corners) she's watching you which is obviously interest.

Yeah, I was at a jazz club the other night for a show, and this girl I'm interested in coincidentally happens to work there. I suspect she's interested in me, and I noticed none of this eye contact when I finally got her attention to say hi to her. But this was in a slightly darkened room, while she's busy at work waiting tables. I went back to my seat and sat with my friend and watched the show. During the show as I sipped on a beer I would manage an inconspicuous glance over to see what she was doing, and without fail when she was not waiting on a table, she was standing up against a wall, watching the show with me directly in her line of sight to the band. This was even though her table section was on the other side of the room.

 

[becker]

Originally posted by MDgood
If after she breaks eye contact:

1) she looks/glances down, and then away: she's interested.

2) she looks/glances directly off to the side: she's not interested.

I don't know about this test, MDGood, because in general, I've found that most girls when they speak to you look down and then away if anything, and I have yet to see any that look off to the side right away. I'm assuming you're talking about after you two are already looking directly in each others' eyes, and then she breaks it by looking to the side rather than down. Is that what you mean?

I haven't seen that before.

 

[MDgood]

Originally posted by becker
I'm assuming you're talking about after you two are already looking directly in each others' eyes, and then she breaks it by looking to the side rather than down. Is that what you mean?

I haven't seen that before.

Right, it's after you've already made the initial eye contact and you've already begun to engage in the conversation.

But like you said, there does seem to be exceptions to this. I know this because I take very good notice of my own initial automatic eye contact reactions when I'm talking to girls.

Some of the things I do automatically, for example:

1. When I am definitely not interested in the girl, or if she's somebody I know and I just don't feel like putting up with her crap, or if she's a UG, I indeed look off to the side.

2. When I am in the presence of a new HB, my initial reaction is indeed to look down and then off to the side. This is if I have just been introduced to her, or if I pass by her in a public place. It's like the subconscious reaction I have is "Wow, she's attractive, I feel intimidated and I gotta look away..."

3. Now it's different if I've been interested in a girl for a while. Like the girl who works in the club, she's been a friend with whom I have a huge interest in for a long time. She's an absolutely beautiful girl, and I've known her for years. For some reason, when I talk to her, I look more directly off to the side, probably because I'm used to being around her, and I can make myself have more control over what I'm doing. She used to stare directly into my eyes, and then break eye contact down and away... lately she's switch to looking off to the side when she talks to me.

 

[becker]

Originally posted by MDgood
Right, it's after you've already made the initial eye contact and you've already begun to engage in the conversation.

But like you said, there does seem to be exceptions to this. I know this because I take very good notice of my own initial automatic eye contact reactions when I'm talking to girls.

Some of the things I do automatically, for example:

1. When I am definitely not interested in the girl, or if she's somebody I know and I just don't feel like putting up with her crap, or if she's a UG, I indeed look off to the side.

2. When I am in the presence of a new HB, my initial reaction is indeed to look down and then off to the side. This is if I have just been introduced to her, or if I pass by her in a public place. It's like the subconscious reaction I have is "Wow, she's attractive, I feel intimidated and I gotta look away..."

3. Now it's different if I've been interested in a girl for a while. Like the girl who works in the club, she's been a friend with whom I have a huge interest in for a long time. She's an absolutely beautiful girl, and I've known her for years. For some reason, when I talk to her, I look more directly off to the side, probably because I'm used to being around her, and I can make myself have more control over what I'm doing. She used to stare directly into my eyes, and then break eye contact down and away... lately she's switch to looking off to the side when she talks to me.

Interesting, I'll have to try that out sometime myself.

As for the girl you've known for a while, I don't quite understand why it makes a difference as to whether you look to the side consciously or not. If you're interested in her, wouldn't you look more down and to the side, even if you do it consciously? At least it seems like that would send the best message, even if she doesn't know anything about this stuff.

I need to try this out more.