eye contact game

[Pulsar]

Originally posted by Player_Supreme
Pulsar:

The state of mind he is talking about is the same one that I do when I start talking to a woman that has shown interest in me.

It works!!! It took me a day to realize that what he is talking about is the same thing that I do when I'm doing what I call projecting at a woman.

I get all sexual/sensual and sexy on her. I lower my eyes and my voice changes to a softer version. I project sexual thoughts at her.

Yeah that shyt works like a charm. I am constantly being told by women that they think I am so sexy. And it's only because I start acting like I'm sexy, at least I believe that is the reason.

I've never thought about trying this on every woman that you come accross out there in the streets. Now I can see the benefit of changing my game face.

I developed a masculine energy that I project. But now it might be interesting to project a sensual game face instead and observe the results.

To be in this state you must be in touch with your sensuality. You must know what it feels like to be sensual and passionate. Then you tap into that feeling and project it ******ds. When your in that state you move in 1/2 time. That means slower. Your movements become smoother and calmer and you feel sexy.

I hate talking about this but I think it's important. Yeah a macho dude like me uses this shyt. I tried to teach this buddy of mine this but it didn't take. He is German bred and those guys stay stuck in the hardness of their minds.

To get there you gotta be connected to your body. You must be in touch with how your body derives pleasure and tap into that also.

When I project this at women...they too start going into that state. If you've ever watched the old madonna videos with blatant sexuality in them then you know what I'm talking about.

For me I come from a dance and acting background. So it's no problem for me to get there.

What I've noticed is that when you tap into that sexual state of being, women fall like a stack of cards. They become intensely turned on.

I will let you know how it works on a daily basis.

Damn cool reading all of this

I think this ices it for me...that people who are getting results think this method works

GWM is what I'm gonna use as my core (at least to start off)

Thanks for taking the time to reply Player_Supreme. I was actually going to ask you about GWM sooner but when you made this thread about EC, I figured it was perfect timing

 

[Ebach]

That's exactly what I use and it does work. Being in a sexual state, being smooth, talking sexually... etc. Women can't handle that and you put them out of control. I had this girl in my class one day she was shaking and all and finally she got the guts to ask me a question related school work. Thing is, I'm not the most handsome man on earth, but I'm one sexy ***** ;-) That's why gunwitch works!

 

[8ball]

This is a HALL OF FAME post if I ever saw one.

Player NAILS it.

Dead on. Right on the head.

Good job.

 

[suavedave]

"The chaser will always do the chasing"

I like this a lot. I posted elsewhere "Advance, She Retreats" and this seems to offer a suggestion. Your technique is similar to Svengali (ASF) fame who says ... "The chaser will always do the chasing" (paraphrase.) My successes ARE NEVER from EC, IMHO... But your suggestion goes on the top of my list as a technique to try. Any more on this, PUA, will be much appreciated.

FYI: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...3ec06&seekm=7ntaam$69n$1@nnrp1.deja.com#link1

 

[Player_Supreme]

Thanks for that link. I read some of the responses. I can't believe some guys are preaching NO eye contact. You gotta look like a movie star to get away with that. I don't!

I have never heard of svengali and I only recently joined fastseduction. I'm very pleased with my reception to my way over there...unlike some of the posters over here...those guys are hungry for real info on seduction.

 

[Spike_the_cowboy]

Cool post, Player_Supreme. It is good to see someone talking about the importance of eye-to-eye contact on this board again.

 

[Dirtheart]

No wonder so many heads get dissed. They don't wait like a vampire to be invited in. I think I posted that I have a 100 percent success rate and this is why.

I can't agree more with this great analogy.

You don't have to wait for her to pounce on you, but at least wait until you get that "feeling" she's interested - and you get this feeling from her eyes more than anything else.

 

[Player_Supreme]

Originally posted by Dirtheart
I can't agree more with this great analogy.

You don't have to wait for her to pounce on you, but at least wait until you get that "feeling" she's interested - and you get this feeling from her eyes more than anything else.

Exactly!

 

[Player_Supreme]

When you do the eye contact game there are 3 areas that you need to train in:

1. Scanning the environment that your in.

In each environment there are only a small percentage of women who will give up the P*ssy to you that night. About 20% of them will give you a number if you spit game at em. So you need to develop your ability to spot that small percentage of 1% who will bone you right then and there.

You need to be constantly scanning all the women around you for :

Eye contact. Notice who is noticing you. These are the ones you want to approach. Why chase after a ho who isn't even diggin you? You waste your valuable playa time chasing after a ho.

Chase a ho and get a chumps cop...stalk a ho and get a pimps cop.

2. Pick out the ho's who are checking You out.

3. Do the eye contact game on your targets. And study her ass (stalking). Check for other signs of interest.

 

[Ever onward]

Hey Player Supreme,

Don't be so hard on us Newbies, We do the best we can.

My question is about your eye contact method. Like someone else posted, what if you can't get eye contact for more than a split second. Girls always seem to look away INSTANTLY. I can't imagine holding eye contact long enough to "look through to the back of the head" or however you described it, let alone hold the eye contact long enough to look down at her feet then back up again. You say you're not that good looking, so how do you do it? How do you get the initial EC?

 

[Dirk Steele]

a few aspects of this approach are unclear to me. Part of DJ is approaching women immidietly, all the time (the 3 sec. rule). STarting and maintaining convo etc.

now if we wait for women to start eye contact, is this not being passive, and waiting for things to happen? many women will not make ec, and this approch seems somewhat passive.


if i understand correctly then, we should not make cold street approaches, or walk up to a women out of her sight range etc.
it sounds like we have to wait for them, not activly take the situation into our own hands.


perhaps i am missing the nuance of this approach?

 

[Player_Supreme]

Originally posted by Ever onward
Hey Player Supreme,

Don't be so hard on us Newbies, We do the best we can.

My question is about your eye contact method. Like someone else posted, what if you can't get eye contact for more than a split second. Girls always seem to look away INSTANTLY. I can't imagine holding eye contact long enough to "look through to the back of the head" or however you described it, let alone hold the eye contact long enough to look down at her feet then back up again. You say you're not that good looking, so how do you do it? How do you get the initial EC?

If she is interested she will return your look. You can tell if she is interested. Let me share with you my post from another site on this subject cause the guys at fast seduction don't use eye contact mostly:

 

[Player_Supreme]

The fellow roberts words are proceeded by >

topic: eye contact game (86 of 89), Read 28 times
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from: PlayerSupreme [ [/email](first login: June, 26, 2004 03:57 AM)
date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 04:04 PM
On 7/24/04 9:28:00 PM, rp_5150 wrote:
>I found the following recent
>field report,
>
>http://www.fastseduction.com/d
>iscussion/read?167183,24

That was a dam good field report. And Im sure there are hundreds of even better ones. In fact I know there are cause I've done similiar pick ups also.


>
>is an excellent example for
>why no guy should WAIT
>to get eye contact. one
>example of many.
>

NO. This is an excellent example of ****y but Funny. And the rejection theory in action.

And You Don't have to WAIT for eye contact...LET ME SHOUT THIS SINCE NOBODY SEEMS TO HEAR ME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT.

Here is my field report of last night.

I was in line at a night club 2 people behind this hot j-lo looking babe...and I mean her face was beautiful...she new it and was looking all around but returning any eye contact.

So I ignored her for a bit. I talk to my buddy and they put on this old break dance style music in the club. I made a comment on it and started to break dance.

I heard her laugh a bit and looked her in the eye and she smiled.

I don't clown for women. I was clowing for my buddy. But I returned the smile. She went back to her I know I'm looking good thing.

Later in the club I saw her standing alone looking all around for someone. I forced eye contact with her from accross the room. I looked into her eyes robert from accross the room until she noticed me or felt me.

Did I wait for her to do it...no. My fault on this post is that I used pimp terms like choosin and put them in a square world. You guys don't understand this concept.

I will explain it later on.

Anyways. I engineered my buddy over to the bar for a nother Corona. After getting my drink I made sure I was standing right next to her.

She proceeded to ignore me. I forced eye contact again.

Then I asked her if she was waiting for someone. And convo began...much later after taking her arm and leading her to the floor and then her wanting a drink and me standing behind her but not even offering to pay...

I got her email and cell number.

My boy finally got hooked up and had to borrow my crib. So I didn't try to close. Since I am the one who set up my buddy's deal for him.

I did walk her out to her car and did the ole routine at the door.

So my point is I'm not critisizing your ways. Just offering my was as saving more time.

In my story above she didn't fawn over me. But she did return the correct eye contact when I forced it out of her.

And she was a knock out. Latin J-lo with the face of a goddess.

I wouldn't of approached her if she didn't do the right eye contact ****. But nor did I wait for her to choose up. I created it.

>Sure there may have been
>another chick who got his EC
>body language and eventually
>'chose' him and he maybe
>could have used direct method
>to bring her in.
>
>But there was a better chick
>who he took home because
>he had the choice, because he
>actively opened, he made
>her want him without the EC
>game as a prerequisite.
>
>
>-- robert1

Remember I said I like to save time and not waist my time TRYING to convince someone to buy my deal.

And with those who do choose you still gotta establish connection and let em know they are making the right choices.

You still gotta game em.

I have more to say but I gotta run. I am meeting last nights for coffee. OH get this her name is Jenny.
Ok Choosing:

Women know immediately if they will sleep with you or not, when they first look at you. Modern seduction guru's are putting out information that you can circumvent this immediate how do you say it...attraction.

DyD dude says attraction isn't by choice. I disagree. It is by choice cause women always do the choosing.

What you can do is get her to change that immediate yes or no flag that goes up in her head. And that is what all the houpala is about on these sites.

How do nerds get hot broads to choose them when natural selection has already made the choice for them. Womens natural dislike of lesser males.

So Robert1 you now know that women do make immediate yes or no decisions about whether to sleep with you or not. And you know that modern seduction sites like this are about how to get around that process.

Well my style is to work with it. I work within the framework. Why?

Cause all that effort that you must do to get around natural selection is too much work for me...why when there are women who's biological signals are screaming at me.

And yes last nights was also. I know how to recognize the signals.

She wouldn't look at me. Yet she positioned her body as if on display. She thrust her chest out and did all the rest of it.

You can tell when you get advanced in this game which ones will break you off and which ones will not. Nowadays for me it's almost a 6th sense.

Women are doing "natural selection" all around you all day long. Women enjoy sex as much as we do.

So to recap my recent point since you guys seem to need this **** spoon fed to you:

1. there is a natural selection process that goes on. It's a genetic thing. And please don't respond with anti alpha male crap or anything along those lines....not worth the time debating it.

2. I work within this process nowadays. Why fight to swim up stream. That is for the younger guys like you. But for fellas who just want to get laid and do it real quick then this is the path.

So now let me continue with eye contact.

Eye contact is the most primal let me say that word again for the hardheaded who are reading...it is the most PRIMAL form of communications.

People who are not connected with themselves do not understand this and will not understand what I'm saying. I have found that folks who don't get it are the ones who exist only in their heads. I live in my entire being. I am aware mentally and physically.

I don't just come from my head. When you are connected or wired to your body it speaks to you. You just know things about physical ****. Sorry I can't codify this for you. I do know that my race has alot to do with it. Since it's a fact that being black has given me extra motor skills wired up in the brain. And please no "I think I'm superior cause I'm black" ****ty responses. I've heard em all before. This discussion isn't new to me. Go to sosuave.

Anyways let me continue.

When you don't exist in your body, it's tools will not be readily available to you. Using eye contact to reach out and connect with someone will have no meaning for you.

If your a person who does direct approaches then you will understand this also. Cause direct approaches is a physical thing.

The side angle **** is a mental game. And I don't mean to call it ****..cause it is a viable technique that does work and will continue to work.

Eye contact is a physical game. Eye contact has always been a physical thing. You use it to show :

love
lust
anger
sadness
fear
ect ect

It is how your body communicates what you are feeling or one of its tools. It is also used to communicate to another person.

Picture the ancient caveman using his eyes to dominate a lesser male in his presence or to scare him off.

If your looking for holes in my **** don't waste your time that is a mental game and your one of those who come from the head. Don't bother with I'm just trying to understand either cause I already know that about you.

It almost seems as if I can read your mind doesn't it. Think about how this is used against women. And for the lamers who cry qualifying...so what!

Now back to my last point Robert1. Eye contact is a communication tool. To not use this natural tool is to weaken your game.

Maybe what many fellows on this site needs is to step out of their heads and into their living bodies more. Let your natural body flow. When you do you will have more charisma and power. Women will sense this and be drawn to you as if by magic or some ****.

Enough said. Ponder what I said for a few days.

Now Robert1. You asked me in the chat room about the eye contact that occured between Tanya and I. And you asked her about it.

It is a feeling thing not a thinking thing. I can't say anything else.

You wanted an exact replica of what occured. When you make eye contact you feel. You don't think in your head.

What do you feel?

You try to feel her your target and bridge the distance between you two.

You don't think about it. You don't count off the seconds that you hold eye contact and then think to yourself ok now I got to do this.

Eye connection will last as long as it is suppose to between you and your target. How long isn't important as is the feeling of that flash or spark.

If she lights up you will feel it and know it. Then you do what these sites teach you.

The ones who light up are also the ones whom you will have your best sex with.

But if you are desiring some hot babe who isn't choosing and not feeling you but you talk to her long enough to convince her to go home with you...and then you will find the sex isn't good.

To me sex is 2 ways. It must the mind blowing for her and good and satisfying for me. That is why I am always stating that I don't rut like a goat but instead I make love.

I make love or try to these days only the people whom I connect with. Anything else is beneath me. And if that sounds like that funny little mans word "qualifying" or egotistical...so be it..I'm not bothered by it.

 

[Don Ronny]

Yall are VERY lucky to have Supreme posting here!

Game reckonized, Premo!

 

[Player_Supreme]

Originally posted by Don Ronny
Yall are VERY lucky to have Supreme posting here!

Game reckonized, Premo!

thanks Don Ronny

 

[Ricky]

I will read this all as well as review Gunwitch later but had a few quick questions.

With regards to eye contact I had a few questions player?

1)Do you scan the room and look for the ones who are looking at you only?

2) Or do you try to force eye contact with some of them?

I ask this because some nights I'll look around I'll catch a girl or two looking at me, but other nights I don't get any EC unless I try to initiate it. The same is true for when I'm walking down a hallway at work or school.

3) Also sometimes you get eye contact from a girl thats with a group of guys. Do you assume she is interested and approach or do you take into account the fact that one of the guys she is with is her boyfriend?

 

[Don Juanabbe]

I've been using this eye contact sh*t for awhile and it works. You can force it too, especially with the ones that aren't that hot. (They might be insecure and even intimidated by you, but once you show them you're interest, they will feel confident enough to give you eye contact back.) Let yourself get caught - they love it and if there wasn't immediate interest there (perhaps she simply hadn't taken a good look at you yet) there will be after you start the eye contact thing.

I've practiced it on waitresses. For the ones that 'light up' as PS mentioned - some of them eat this sh*t up - they'll be walking by your table double the amount that is normal and will want to force the eye contact onto you - they literally eat this sh*t up - and if you're a good looking guy you can ramp it up to ridiculous levels, especially if you know the girl is attracted. If you really amp it up and then do some kinda stop for a bit and let yourself be distracted by something else for awhile it will drive them even crazier. I've had success having the target come to me after I'm done with her.

Warning: This sh*t is addictive, I almost play this game 24/7 whether I'm interested in the target or not, just because I enjoy the buzz of it and it's good practice. PS is also very correct about being aware of your own being and your body.

Women soak this crap up, and the 7's really love it cuz your decent looking and giving them attention - they become really easy to finish off. I've had a couple ask me out or initiate conversations and try to pick me up. Again, my looks help, but these women may otherwise have not done a thing had I not initiated the eye contact.

It definitely also helps if you scan the room and find out which girls are checking you out - and believe me, once you become aware of it, you'll realise that alot of them are indeed doing just that.

It can also cause some hilarious stuff to occur - the other night I started the eye contact game with this pretty young east Indian girl and she was starting to eat it up - having this tall blonde guy checking her out probably intrigued her - but she was sitting with a guy, also probably of the same background as her. He picked up on what was going on and stormed off after paying the bill. She had to get up to chase after him and I could tell they were arguing on the way out of the place. Mean, but what the hell.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

Oh, and also - I really like PS's advice on not giving the time of day to women that aren't displaying any interest in you - because A. it's just good thinking and B. Some of the better looking one's will start to get interested in you because you're not one of the chumps kissing her ass. You're different and she'll apply value to you in this scenario.

I've literally had women come right up to me and try to open me up with this 'I don't have the time of day for you' attitude. It happened to me out of the blue last time just on Tuesday night - 7 came up and lamely opened me like some AFC guy - 'Don't I know you from somewhere' was the line and lame as it was, I had to admire her for her balls. She'd definitely seen me before because it is a pub that my good friend owns so I frequent it quite a bit. I'd never, ever seen this woman before in my life. Got to know her and I will definitely hook up with her.

 

[CLOONEY]

Great post!

This is what I keep telling the newbs, but I always get told by some of the other "experts", by doing this you are only limiting your choice. Lol, obviously they dont have much experience in the game!

 

[Player_Supreme]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
Great post!

This is what I keep telling the newbs, but I always get told by some of the other "experts", by doing this you are only limiting your choice. Lol, obviously they dont have much experience in the game!

You are limiting yourself very very much. This works well if your half way decent looking and can clean up well, or you confidence level is strong enough to project the correct aura.

If not then try other forms of macking. My style is to build teams. Have lots of women to wait on me. I'm not looking for a quick fawk and move on.

Seductionists seem to be about the hit and run deal. And this is ok for younger players/don juans/fastseductions.

But remember I come from the pimp game. You build teams to work for you. It's a whole different level. At this level you shoot for total control of the women whom you come into contact with.

That is why you want what is called a strong COP. The stronger she is choosing the stronger your hold will be on her. For the other ways it's flighty. You may get her number. You may get a date. You may get laid ect..ect...it all depends on how strong your game is.

I've done all that. And I had my share of ***** and failures. Which is the excitement of the hunt. At my age I just prefer my **** a bit more relaxed most of the time.