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- 10 weeks does not a serious relationship make

- She shouldn't have been planning for shows in December without telling you the dates (unless you just didn't listen)

- She gets her friend to give you a note asking for money

Move on, this is just her way of trying to make some contact. She could easily get a refund, sell the tickets on or take a friend.

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Originally posted by NewMan
Give her the cash unless you can sell the tickets. you have some responsibility in all of this - like asking her when the concert was.
BULLSH!T. Absolute BULLSH!T.

Leykis, you owe this girl nothing. She went out and bought these tickets; the show is months away, and it is not your problem, your fault, or your responsibility -- legally or ethically.

She bought the tickets on her own, and she can still get use out of them. Don't pay her a dime.
 

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Originally posted by Cesare Cardinali
Finally, for all you guys talking about contracts and whether he owes her anything, consider that if a guy purchases an engagement ring for a chick and she accepts, then there IS a contract. If they break up, then by law she has to return the ring to him.
Yes, but she doesn't have to repay him for the money he spent on the ring. That would be the more accurate analogy.
 

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Hey Gio,

I'm surprised by your take on this situation. Usually you're more of a nice guy than me when it comes to this stuff, but in this case, I get the prize for being Mr. Nice Guy. :D

Seriously, I mentioned in my prior post that "obviously none of this is legally binding"; however, I think that from what we know of this situation, the girl didn't do anything really bad to necessitate such a "f*ck that b*tch" mentallity.

It's really a case by case basis situation on what to do with ex's and returning stuff; however, in this case she seems really nice and kind of pathetic, so I'd pay her off just to make myself feel better about having dumped her. Had she been a real b*tch like some of my ex's and yours, then certainly, they should be kicked to the curb without even a second consideration.

But this chick seems ok and quite frankly it looks like Leykis may have led her on, so if it were me, I'd want to make things right by at least settling this matter in a nicer fashion....

Also, I don't know about everyone else, but most chicks I'm with usually start getting serious after the 30 day mark and Leykis did have some responsibility in finding out when these concerts were taking place.

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I'm inclined to be in agreement with Mr. Cardinali here.

The bottom line is that you don't "owe" her anything, and you should do whatever makes you happy. But let's look at a few points...

1) It's not about the $124. Like Cesare mentioned, the issue is not about the money. In fact, I'm willing to bet that she's expecting you not to pay, and in a way hoping that you don't. Why? Because then she can have "proof" that you're a jerk and that everything is your fault and not hers. Just like you're painting her to us as a clingy bytch, she wants to paint you to her friends as an assh0le who led her on.

2) She didn't do anything wrong, and neither did you. First of all the chick didn't do anything wrong in liking you so quickly. I mean, isn't that why we're here on this web site, to learn how to get chicks to fall all over themselves for us? She just liked you a bit more than you liked her. And for that you feel guilty, and that's why you're putting her down. It makes you feel bad that she became so attached and that you weren't able to return her sentiments. It's human nature that when someone gives you more than you can give back to them (whether it be emotional or material), you start to resent them and eventually hate them. The thing to remember here is that she is a good person, and that you are a good person. She wasn't bad for liking you too much, and you weren't bad for not being able to return her affections.

3) This is the beginning of a cycle. As you become more and more of a ladies man, this will happen to you more and more. You'll come to realize that women will start having feeling for you more than you have for them. Eventually the guilt of not being able to return the sentiments and breaking so many hearts starts to take its toll on many men, and can leads to cynicism, unhappiness, and in extreme cases depression. So what's the solution? As Cesare so aptly stated, you want to leave every woman better than you had originally found her.

Look at it this way, men such as Casanova, Picasso, and other great seducers of history are admired and adored today not only by men, but also by women. The question is, why in the world would a woman want to be with a Casanova or a Picasso when they know that the romance will last for a short period before Casanova or Picasso broke up with her?

All relationships will eventually end, in one way or another, given enough time. The thing that differentiates the true ladies man from the imposter is in how they END the relationship.

It's almost like two lovers, one whom after having sex immediately puts on his pants and heads for the door, while the other makes a show of resenting the fact that they have to leave. They make walk a few steps and come back to kiss the girl, hating the fact that they have to leave. It's almost like they had to exert all their will power to finally go. Now, both guys left, but with the first guy the girl feels like a cheap wh0re, while with the second she feels like a siren.

That's why women today want a Casanova or a Picasso. They know that the relationship won't last forever, but they know that when the man leaves, he will do so having made them feel more beautiful that Aphrodite.

And the best part is that you can truly take pleasure in being a ladies man. You won't have any guilty associations with it, because you know that every woman you come in contact with is going to become a better person because of you.

So as to what about the tickets? Here's what I would do. Now, please keep in mind that what I'm suggesting is by no means the "right" way or even the "best" way, but rather what is right and best for me.

I would give the roommate the $124. In turn she would give me the tickets. You had mentioned that you would be getting only one ticket for each show, and your ex-chick would get the other. Well, I would take the tickets and give them to the roommate as a gift. I would tell her that your ex-chick spoke very highly of her, and that it would mean a lot to you if she would take the tickets and go with your ex-chick because you know the two of them would have a lot of fun together, and walk away.

This achieves many results. First of all, you could cut the relationship cleanly and move on. Second, you will have a clean conscience, and feel good about being a player. Third, there is no way she can see you as an asswh0le, no matter how much she would like to. Fourth, in time she will come to see you as a good guy, and that things simply didn't work out. Fifth, your reputation will soar. Her friends and acquintances will probably hear of this, and they will think highly of you, and you'll be surprised at how many of them will want to have their chance with you.

Well, this has gotten to be a little longer that I had anticipated, but I hope you find value in it.

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You have no responsibility to buy the tickets back or pay for it. This is not about the money. She just wants to either, hurt you, or piss you off. And just in case it is really about the money on her part, then she is a cheap golddigger that needs to be ignored.
 

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Cesare and MOTU:

No offense, but your justifications as to why we should ignore law on this one reek of AFC. Why should Leykis care what she thinks of him? By him paying, he is just capitulating to her little mindfukk, and he comes off looking like a weak little bytch.

Gio gave you the short form. and I explained why legally there is no case here. I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here.

I also don't understand these arguments regarding some kind of duty he has to be a "nice" guy, and to do the supposed "right" thing. Please. To me, it sounds more like a duty to be taken advantage of.

Here's a better idea, maybe that girl should stop being so fukkin' immature, grow up, get a life, and find someone else to go with her.
 

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Originally posted by Leykis
During this two and a half month period she suggested going to some shows and asked if I would be interested in going to two of them. I said sure at the time not knowing that the shows were in december. (mighty ambitious on her part) She bought the tickets.
Cesare, in this case I don't see this as a "Nice Guy" issue. If nothing else, it comes down to this statement from Leykis's first post on this thread: "I was under the impression that she would have paid for the tickets had we gone together."

This is no different than if he had seen a nice watch that he liked and she bought it for him for Christmas, then asked him to reimburse her when they broke up. This isn't about "How nice are you?" it's about "How big of a dumbass are you?"

She may have bought the ticket under the assumption that they would still be together then, but Leykis isn't responsible for her assumptions. He never offered nor agreed to pay for half when they were still together; she only wants him to do so now because they've split up, which is entirely classless. It's the middle of August, and this show is in December. She should be able to sell the tickets or find someone else to go. If not, well, again, it's her problem, not his.
 

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Re: Re: Ex wants $$

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova


She may have bought the ticket under the assumption that they would still be together then, but Leykis isn't responsible for her assumptions. He never offered nor agreed to pay for half when they were still together; she only wants him to do so now because they've split up, which is entirely classless. It's the middle of August, and this show is in December. She should be able to sell the tickets or find someone else to go. If not, well, again, it's her problem, not his.
Agreed, this story reminds me of an ex, who told me i could keep her TV and VCR because she felt guilty about leaving me in the lurch (AFC days) and moving out.
but when she came back to have a chat (check up) with me she saw my new interests shoes and bra on the floor, sure enough she left with TV and VCR.
 

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Diesel wrote:

No offense, but your justifications as to why we should ignore law on this one reek of AFC.
Well first, no offense taken. However, I don't see how the concept of leaving a girl in a better place than you found her is AFC.

It's more about how to play the game than anything else.

The game should be fun for you; and quite frankly leaving her is part of that game and has to be handled in a way where at worse YOU feel good, and at best both of you feel good at having been in the relationship. If Leykis felt good about how he is handling this breakup, he would not have posted anything here....

MOTU and I are talking about setting aside "the law" and leaving a girl in such a fashion that you don't mess her up; that you leave her better than you found her. Please explain to me how THAT is AFC?

Quite frankly, the guys who advocate the whole "f*ck that b*tch, she shoudn't have booked it so soon in advance" mentality seem like Avergage Disgruntled Chumps for having such a hostile attitude towards a girl who hasn't really done anything wrong. It is as if you guys are projecting your own negative baggage that you haven't gotten over onto this situation. And that to me is AFC...


No offence though. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Cesare Cardinali
MOTU and I are talking about setting aside "the law" and leaving a girl in such a fashion that you don't mess her up; that you leave her better than you found her. Please explain to me how THAT is AFC?
In the several relationships I've had, I've received gifts. Birthday gifts, Christmas gifts, gifts for Valentine's Day, etc. Even gifts for no particular reason at all. And of course, I've likewise given gifts in different relationships. Not once during any breakup did a girl request payment for the gifts she had given me. If she had, though, I'd have told her to take a long walk off a short pier.

Bottom line: we give gifts in relationships. These tickets, from all indications, were intended to be gifts to Leykis (she was going to pay for his tickets). Now, this classless girl is trying to get him to pay for what had originally been intended as a gift.

Leykis's choices are very simple: buy the tickets from her, or don't. (Are these tickets assigned seating? Because, YIKES, if she's still keeping hers.) If he does, great, everyone's happy (if he really wants to go). But if he doesn't, he is not a bad guy, or a "jerk", nor is he leaving her worse than he found her. She bought the tickets because she wanted to go the show... and she still can.
 

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Originally posted by Cesare Cardinali




Well first, no offense taken. However, I don't see how the concept of leaving a girl in a better place than you found her is AFC.
I'm only arguing that this is not a duty we have to do. We can choose or not choose to do this. Frankly, given the time these two were together it's not worth it. To be honest, with most girls it's not worth it. I find this whole "leaving the girl in a better place" sounds like a lot of touchy-feely Oprah crap. You'll have to explain that to me.

It's more about how to play the game than anything else.
but what does this have to do with what you're talking about? Leykis didn't really do anything wrong.

The game should be fun for you; and quite frankly leaving her is part of that game and has to be handled in a way where at worse YOU feel good, and at best both of you feel good at having been in the relationship.
This is absolutely not true. When a relationship goes sour, there is usually a reason, and by no means do I have to feel good about being or having been in the relationship. This imposition of some kind of "dating ethics" I find disturbing. If I'm not feeling the girl, I cut her loose... I could really care less if she takes it badly or not. She's a big girl, she can handle herself. My happiness comes first. No way in hell I am going to *****foot with a girl I have no feelings for, because I am afraid to leave her worse than I found her.

If Leykis felt good about how he is handling this breakup, he would not have posted anything here....
this is conjecture, and I think what Leykis is feeling is outrage, not guilt.

MOTU and I are talking about setting aside "the law" and leaving a girl in such a fashion that you don't mess her up; that you leave her better than you found her. Please explain to me how THAT is AFC?
because you're not her babysitter. and this obsession with her feelings is the same to me as the overly sensitive guy who cares a little too much about what the girl is feeling at all times. What we affectionately call an AFC. In short this attitude is kind of weak. Be a man and dump her cleanly. Nice and direct. If she has a hissy fit about it, whatever.. she'll have to deal. Kind of like the dumba$$ in question. I find your argument to almost assume that most girls are emotionally weak and can't really handle being dumped. Somehow, I really doubt this.
 

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Poor, stupid gal.

She's a female AFC who was trying to use the tickets to get her hooks in you.

You don't owe her anything. She can still use her tickets or sell them to someone else. She didn't tell you the price or ask you to pay for them upfront, did she?

But if you find another gal who's interested, you might buy both tickets off her for one of the shows. If it's reserved seating, do you really want to be sitting next to each other?
 

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Dont give her squat, bottom line. You are by no means obligated to give her squat.

Nice handle by the way. Im a Leykis 101 student :cool:
If you follow tom, you should know better. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Krassus
I'd pay her and then take another girl to the show.
Why? For what possible reason should he do that?

If he really, really, really wants to go to this show, then MAYBE he should buy them off of her. But I would rather buy entirely new tickets from the box office just on principle.

Otherwise, if I really wanted to go, and had someone to go with me, I'd tell her, "Here's the deal... I'll take the tickets two for one or forget it." Then, she'd either sell me two tickets for the price of one, or she would keep both of them.

Still, she has a lot of nerve to ask him to pay her back for a gift she bought him simply because they'd broken up.
 

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For some of the rest of you guys, I'd like to give you another hypothetical.

Say you're with a girl for a few months, and she asks you if you've ever wanted to go to, say, Paris. And you say, "Sure, I guess. I dunno." And that's the last you hear of it two weeks later, when she says, "SURPRISE! I got us two first-class plane tickets to Paris, plus a week's accomodations in a nice hotel! We'll go early next year. It'll be so great... we'll see the Eiffel Tower, and the Louvre, and..." Blah blah blah. You know the rest.

Then, over the next month or so, she becomes a nagging b*tch, and it seems that everything you do -- from leaving the toilet seat up to the way you cut your sandwiches to the way you turn your turn signal on AFTER you start to make your turn -- irritates her. You break up. It's a mutual thing.

But when you're getting your stuff, she waves the envelope with all the Paris crap under your nose. "This thing cost over $5000. You need to reimburse me $2500. I'll give you your plane tickets and let you sleep on the fold-out in the hotel suite."

Would you say, "Yes, of course dear, I obviously want to leave you better than how I found you."

Or would you say, "I'll buy it all from you even though I'm sure I could spend five grand on something better than motherf*ckin' Paris."

Or would you say, "Good thing we're breaking up, because you obviously know jack-sh*t about me if you think even for one second that I would entertain such a ridiculous thought. Have fun in Paris with whatever unsuspecting, clueless dolt you manage to hook by then."
 
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