Everyone around me is getting married

[SW15]

I watched my local friends go through this in the 2010s. It was astounding. Guest lists of over 100. High costs. The parties were mostly lame anyway.

And you honestly wonder how many people actually want to be there and not out of obligation.

I skipped most of my friends' weddings because I knew the parties were going to be lame. There was one family wedding that I had to attend out of obligation. I didn't enjoy being there. It took me more time to travel to and from the wedding than the duration of the wedding and the reception following. I didn't need to be there.

One of my friends got married in 2020. I attended the virtual reception. The virtual reception was lame. The upside for the virtual reception was that I didn't have to travel to the wedding or dress up. It would have been worse to do those things.

I think all weddings are a waste of money. I did it on my first wedding with the condition that I get all the large monetary gifts to pay myself back; which I did. She kept the cash, wedding presents and smaller checks. In the end, I wasn't out much. However, complete waste of money. Complete.

I agree. So much effort to go into 4-6 hours of one afternoon/evening.

 

[biggoal]

I skipped most of my friends' weddings because I knew the parties were going to be lame. There was one family wedding that I had to attend out of obligation. I didn't enjoy being there. It took me more time to travel to and from the wedding than the duration of the wedding and the reception following. I didn't need to be there.

One of my friends got married in 2020. I attended the virtual reception. The virtual reception was lame. The upside for the virtual reception was that I didn't have to travel to the wedding or dress up. It would have been worse to do those things.



I agree. So much effort to go into 4-6 hours of one afternoon/evening.

But what about if the bridesmaids are hot and they have hot friends?

 

[mjb3617]

But what about if the bridesmaids are hot and they have hot friends?

Considering how much it costs to attend a wedding (even if you're not in the wedding party) is it worth spending that money for a chance at the hot bridesmaids and they're hot friends?

Think suit and or tuxedo, hotel room (you know you'll be drinking), envelope (have to cover your plate at least), wedding gift, etc.

Unless they're a really close friend and you have to attend, it's not worth the investment in my opinion.

Might be considered a negative attitude, but it's congruent with my statement that weddings are a massive cash grab.

 

[biggoal]

Considering how much it costs to attend a wedding (even if you're not in the wedding party) is it worth spending that money for a chance at the hot bridesmaids and they're hot friends?

Think suit and or tuxedo, hotel room (you know you'll be drinking), envelope (have to cover your plate at least), wedding gift, etc.

Unless they're a really close friend and you have to attend, it's not worth the investment in my opinion.

Might be considered a negative attitude, but it's congruent with my statement that weddings are a massive cash grab.

many weddings you just wear a dress suit now. My last two cousins had nice weddings. Everyone worse dress suits including the groom.

 

[SW15]

Lol..a virtual reception? I would’ve joined anonymously and trolled everyone

“sup puss1es”

It was a reception on Zoom. Yes, I missed that opportunity. I wish I had thought to do what you suggested.

 

[BeExcellent]

Agreed 100% except for the revocable part. Since you are the beneficiary and you can revoke the trust, should you get married or live with someone again (common law if your state accepts it), those properties are vulnerable for distribution. All I have is my clothes in my name. Anything of value was deeded and listed in my trust documents. People can be vicious. My ex-wife challenged my trust and the pre-nup; she lost on both accounts. However, we both had spent around 30k in legal fees; so this is why I would add the legal fees and medical fees/premiums to the next pre-nup. I I had that prior, it would had been a cleaner and faster, less expensive, divorce.

Agreed. I need to retain the ability to manage my investments for now. I am aware of the revocable versus irrevocable potential issue. A calculated risk. My car has statutory protection in my state.

 

[SW15]

I skipped most of my friends' weddings because I knew the parties were going to be lame.

But what about if the bridesmaids are hot and they have hot friends?

I did inquire about the guest list when I was unattached and had a wedding invite. In most cases, it was a sea of couples. In other words, all the bridesmaids and attractive friends would have had boyfriends and far less likely to bang.

My closest friend had a wedding that was attended by 110 people and 0 single women under 40. I did not attend.

Perhaps my social circle had problems. One of the things about the weddings in my social circle is that they were often older people. The weddings were when both people were around age ~30. Most of the attendees in this situation were longer term couples.

Considering how much it costs to attend a wedding (even if you're not in the wedding party) is it worth spending that money for a chance at the hot bridesmaids and they're hot friends?

Think suit and or tuxedo, hotel room (you know you'll be drinking), envelope (have to cover your plate at least), wedding gift, etc.

Unless they're a really close friend and you have to attend, it's not worth the investment in my opinion.

Might be considered a negative attitude, but it's congruent with my statement that weddings are a massive cash grab.

You neglected one key detail. Travel. Almost all the weddings I have been invited to over the years were not local to me, including the destination wedding of my closest friend that I mentioned in the quote above.

I am also not a fan of dressing up. I'm fine with business casual for my white collar job. Many of the weddings I would have had to attend had semi formal attire, which is at least a tie. If I don't have to wear a tie for my employer, why should I wear a tie for your wedding?

In most cases, you're better off just sending a gift than actually attending. That's especially true if your social circle if anything like mine, where I determined beforehand that attendees were mainly attached women. Even if a wedding occurs at a time when you're in a relationship and attached, you have better uses of your time and money than attending a wedding, especially a wedding that involves travel.

You can get out of attending weddings of your close friends. That's more true with the pandemic but that was even true pre-pandemic. Weddings within your own family can be trickier to skip. I was essentially forced into one.

MOAS( mother of all shyt tests)

BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman.
When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the **** test of ALL **** tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this **** test, you are RUINED. FOR. LIFE.

At my closest friend's wedding that I mentioned above, another friend received a MOAS from a ruddlerless early 30s woman. He had been with his girlfriend for multiple years. She gave him an ultimatum at that wedding reception. He eventually proposed and they had a long engagement, resulting in that wedding reception I attended via Zoom in 2020.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

How do you cope with this fact, especially for the older Players here? I'm in my mid 20s but already relatives and aquatainces are getting married. So the question always comes back to me "when are you getting married". I'm from a more traditional background and want to get married to have kids but of course with modern marriage laws it's not the best idea.

How do you guys answer the question "when are you getting married" from relatives and friends?

Mate I got a handful of years on you. It doesn't get better with time. Start making new buddies. Younger playboy's. Young blood on the come up. Caring is overrated. Furthermore those racing to play house will be divorced raped promptly. I know only a couple of married former playboy's who did it right. Pulled hot young and she went ALL IN! Not the norm.

If you want the following, look elsewhere. The Tates are in Romania. Put that into perspective. Eastern Europe or south east Asia. None of the following is going to be a easy option. Nor its falling for the con job of beaten path in western society.

Pick your poison. I'm not going to be held at ransom Nor will I put myself in the following predicament. Again 5yrs on you mate and it gets better. You've got time. You date younger fitter tighter. Just get on the grind. Busy yourself. Stack crypto as you've been doing and prepare to exit assuming that you are looking for a nuclear family.

Like you I small a product of the nuclear family. Trad is better for children. The data shows the following. I see no value in playing house if not for lineage, family, offspring. Fortunately, you know the game. You know what is up. You got to hold go and should you ever pivot, be damn sure she's ride or die. In the before time, a man (not me) could ghost. It's near impossible now with this ****ery. Beginning a exit strategy from the west I and a good start. I won't be held hostage and I am looking forward to moving on. Sovereignty beacons.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

DEEZ these places are already westernized. Its spreading quickly through Apps. Its not the end all be all.

Still far better than the UK. People want a easy answer or blanket statement. There is none. You didn't settle for western trash nor should you. If anything you made a blueprint for fellas looking for lineage and the white picket fence. SRS

Most fellas want what you have. Initially a exit was regarding taxes and parasitic culture. Now after the lock down and dumpster fire smp I am checked out.

Throughoutmy life, the caliber elsewhere has been better. again in the pandemic, the highest caliber I've picked up are all foreign. It's not shocking a 80% divorce rape initiation by women in western society. Fellas continue to line up.

There's no guarantee but the probability is better elsewhere. Tusk and and troy go abroad for a reason. Our taxes are high. The women are modern and over weight plus ran through.

Imagine we were in Australia through lock down?

 

[SW15]

Correction:
Marriage was a fantastic idea - 30-50 years ago.

Today the high stakes for any guy is not worth the investment. Hostile family courts, #metoo and the whole feminazi environment, low quality women who feel entitled to the men's resources and that the whole world owes them everything, they come with an at least +100 body count, in 75 of all cases women break up and over 60% of all marriages are ended in divorce with a year two. Men risk losing most of their wealth, access to their children and paying money to person which they have no relationship too for 20-30 years, (alimony etc. etc.) and being in bed with the government.

Why would any sane person accept these terms?

30 years ago was still too recent. 30 years ago was 1991. Lots of marriages from the early 1990s failed.

Marriage before 1980 could be justified. The 1970s was sort of the borderline zone. The 1970s is when the ideas of the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s became mainstream.

Even though the 1970s were somewhat promiscuous, the typical woman of the 1970s was less promiscuous than the 1990s and beyond. Hypergamy was more in check then.

Marriages that end in divorce usually take longer than 2 years. The median duration of a first marriage that fails is around 7 years. Total relationship time is typically around 10 years for a marriage that fails because the pre-marital relationship time is included in that. A lot of bad relationships linger for a lot longer than what would be expected. They linger like stinky farts in a dive bar.

If you get divorced and you have with the kids the woman, which is more likely than not over a 10 year long relationship, you're stuck dealing with her for the rest of your life.

Having kids with a woman is often a bad idea. Your romantic relationship with a woman who bears your kids is more likely than not to fail before the first kid turns 18. This has been true in the United States since at least the early 1990s. Parental separation/divorce is a traumatic event for children.

It doesn't get better with time. Start making new buddies. Younger playboy's. Young blood on the come up. Caring is overrated. Furthermore those racing to play house will be divorced raped promptly. I know only a couple of married former playboy's who did it right. Pulled hot young and she went ALL IN! Not the norm.

If you want the following, look elsewhere. The Tates are in Romania. Put that into perspective. Eastern Europe or south east Asia. None of the following is going to be a easy option. Nor its falling for the con job of beaten path in western society.

Pick your poison. I'm not going to be held at ransom Nor will I put myself in the following predicament. Again 5yrs on you mate and it gets better. You've got time. You date younger fitter tighter. Just get on the grind. Busy yourself. Stack crypto as you've been doing and prepare to exit assuming that you are looking for a nuclear family.

Like you I small a product of the nuclear family. Trad is better for children. The data shows the following. I see no value in playing house if not for lineage, family, offspring. Fortunately, you know the game. You know what is up. You got to hold go and should you ever pivot, be damn sure she's ride or die. In the before time, a man (not me) could ghost. It's near impossible now with this ****ery. Beginning a exit strategy from the west I and a good start. I won't be held hostage and I am looking forward to moving on. Sovereignty beacons.

Yes, playing house is usually a bad idea.

Single men in their 30s often find themselves alone as their similarly aged friends mostly get married. The ones who don't get married settle into 3+ and 5+ year relationships with girlfriends. They often live with their girlfriends.

A man who finds himself unattached in his 30s will either end up seeing his attached friends infrequently (the more common choice) or trading out his attached friends for new unattached friends (the right choice, but less common due to being more difficult).

 

[Zimbabwe]

Still far better than the UK. People want a easy answer or blanket statement. There is none. You didn't settle for western trash nor should you. If anything you made a blueprint for fellas looking for lineage and the white picket fence. SRS

Most fellas want what you have. Initially a exit was regarding taxes and parasitic culture. Now after the lock down and dumpster fire smp I am checked out.

Throughoutmy life, the caliber elsewhere has been better. again in the pandemic, the highest caliber I've picked up are all foreign. It's not shocking a 80% divorce rape initiation by women in western society. Fellas continue to line up.

There's no guarantee but the probability is better elsewhere. Tusk and and troy go abroad for a reason. Our taxes are high. The women are modern and over weight plus ran through.

Imagine we were in Australia through lock down?

Australia has it's problems but i wouldn't trade our living standards to marry some south east asian or eastern european woman abroad. I'm of eastern European heritage and it's not the kind of place someone from the west would actually want to live.

30 years ago was still too recent. 30 years ago was 1991. Lots of marriages from the early 1990s failed.

Marriage before 1980 could be justified. The 1970s was sort of the borderline zone. The 1970s is when the ideas of the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s became mainstream.

Even though the 1970s were somewhat promiscuous, the typical woman of the 1970s was less promiscuous than the 1990s and beyond. Hypergamy was more in check then.

Marriages that end in divorce usually take longer than 2 years. The median duration of a first marriage that fails is around 7 years. Total relationship time is typically around 10 years for a marriage that fails because the pre-marital relationship time is included in that. A lot of bad relationships linger for a lot longer than what would be expected. They linger like stinky farts in a dive bar.

If you get divorced and you have with the kids the woman, which is more likely than not over a 10 year long relationship, you're stuck dealing with her for the rest of your life.

Having kids with a woman is often a bad idea. Your romantic relationship with a woman who bears your kids is more likely than not to fail before the first kid turns 18. This has been true in the United States since at least the early 1990s. Parental separation/divorce is a traumatic event for children.



Yes, playing house is usually a bad idea.

Single men in their 30s often find themselves alone as their similarly aged friends mostly get married. The ones who don't get married settle into 3+ and 5+ year relationships with girlfriends. They often live with their girlfriends.

A man who finds himself unattached in his 30s will either end up seeing his attached friends infrequently (the more common choice) or trading out his attached friends for new unattached friends (the right choice, but less common due to being more difficult).

We have so much failed marriages because divorce is so easy and even encouraged by our culture. It's a billion dollar industry and the courts are raking in the cash.

Instead of solving their marital issues like adults, they just divorce at the first sign of trouble. It's really not that hard to make comprises.

 

[SW15]

We have so much failed marriages because divorce is so easy and even encouraged by our culture. It's a billion dollar industry and the courts are raking in the cash.

Instead of solving their marital issues like adults, they just divorce at the first sign of trouble. It's really not that hard to make comprises.

A lot of people run from relationships even before marriage. Most relationships end prior to marriage. Most interactions between men and women don't even last 3 dates. A lot of times, it is the woman ceasing the interaction.

There are a lot of reasons for failed marriages. Some of the reasons that you identified are a part of it. There is a culture of divorce if you're a primarily secular person. Devout practitioners of religion tend to have fewer divorces.

 

[Stuffnu]

Marriage today is nothing but a Fugazi. Legality aside, it’s just another event that has been hijacked materialistically. if a woman can only accept my commitment of love through a ring, extensive/expensive wedding or signed document, can get bent.

 

[biggoal]

A lot of people run from relationships even before marriage. Most relationships end prior to marriage. Most interactions between men and women don't even last 3 dates. A lot of times, it is the woman ceasing the interaction.

There are a lot of reasons for failed marriages. Some of the reasons that you identified are a part of it. There is a culture of divorce if you're a primarily secular person. Devout practitioners of religion tend to have fewer divorces.

The less than 3 dates is a little extreme unless you're including OLD which many OLD dates never get past the first date.

 

[biggoal]

Marriage today is nothing but a Fugazi. Legality aside, it’s just another event that has been hijacked materialistically. if a woman can only accept my commitment of love through a ring, extensive/expensive wedding or signed document, can get bent.

Let's say you're wealthy and have a few million bucks and making bank. Is it even worth getting married at all? Lets say you were worth 500 million or more. What kind of lifestyle would you lead? Would you even want a relationship or just travel and bang the hottest women?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Yes, playing house is usually a bad idea.

Single men in their 30s often find themselves alone as their similarly aged friends mostly get married. The ones who don't get married settle into 3+ and 5+ year relationships with girlfriends. They often live with their girlfriends.

A man who finds himself unattached in his 30s will either end up seeing his attached friends infrequently (the more common choice) or trading out his attached friends for new unattached friends (the right choice, but less common due to being more difficult).

+1

Most fellas want to play house. Most men are biologically wired (as they should be ) to want a wife and kids. The only thing is that MODERN WOMEN DON'T WANT YOU OR ME. It's hot girl summer. It's skiing down cawk mountain. It's getting a train ran on her and looking for a cuckold to rope in after best days. I'm game to bust a nut and get d sucked but trolling when she is talking cereal relationship. No dice. Herein lies enjoying the decline and pillaging what you can. This is stoicism in 2022. Still, it is cope as I am coming to realize and essentially black pill light. Watching the decline of your culture, country, and women isn't a natural biological hardwire but an adaptation to the dumpster fire SMP. Man was not supposed to be this way but again it's adaptation. There's countries where men would clobber a man knocking around women but in the west, men are now watching women step up like men and getting put in check. This isn't common practice but it's becoming the norm and response by men to female logic in western society.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Australia has it's problems but i wouldn't trade our living standards to marry some south east asian or eastern european woman abroad. I'm of eastern European heritage and it's not the kind of place someone from the west would actually want to live.



We have so much failed marriages because divorce is so easy and even encouraged by our culture. It's a billion dollar industry and the courts are raking in the cash.

Instead of solving their marital issues like adults, they just divorce at the first sign of trouble. It's really not that hard to make comprises.
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Then your choice is sifting through the dumpster fire that is the SMP in the west riddled with single mom's and left over women. There's no easy answer but if you want to play house, 80% of divorce is initiated by women. Are ran through before her 21st bday and morons continue to marry that.

Zim mate, it goes beyond ease of divorce. Women are incentivized to behave poorly because of divorce rape furthermore, skiing down cake mountain and abortion is a favorite past time for modern women.

In the middle east, stoning is a common practice. The following is removed from the gene pool. Here some cuckold calls that his wife. I blame low T.

 

[hardboiled85]

Lets bring up this old letter to a gold digging entitled chick posted by some J.P. Morgan trader guy long time ago as response to her complaining about why not any high value guy would marry her/how she could find one as a reminder why its all a losing case to marry (most girls) for a guy:

@BeExcellent
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A young and pretty lady posted this on a popular forum:

Title: What should I do to marry a rich guy?

I’m going to be honest of what I’m going to say here. I’m 25 this year. I’m very pretty, have style and good taste. I wish to marry a guy with $500k annual salary or above. You might say that I’m greedy, but an annual salary of $1M is considered only as middle class in New York. My requirement is not high. Is there anyone in this forum who has an income of $500k annual salary? Are you all married?

I wanted to ask:

What should I do to marry rich persons like you? Among those I’ve dated, the richest is $250k annual income, and it seems that this is my upper limit. If someone is going to move into high cost residential area on the west of New York CityGarden(?), $250k annual income is not enough.

I’m here humbly to ask a few questions:

• Where do most rich bachelors hang out? (Please list down the names and addresses of bars, restaurant, gym)
• Which age group should I target?
• Why most wives of the riches is only average-looking? I’ve met a few girls who doesn’t have looks and are not interesting, but they are able to marry rich guys.
• How do you decide who can be your wife, and who can only be your girlfriend? (My target now is to get married)

Ms. Pretty

Awesome reply:

Dear Ms. Pretty,

I have read your post with great interest. Guess there are lots of girls out there who have similar questions like yours.

Please allow me to analyse your situation as a professional investor. My annual income is more than $500k, which meets your requirement, so I hope everyone believes that I’m not wasting time here.

From the standpoint of a business person, it is a bad decision to marry you. The answer is very simple, so let me explain. Put the details aside, what you’re trying to do is an exchange of “beauty” and “money”: Person A provides beauty, and Person B pays for it, fair and square.

However, there’s a deadly problem here, your beauty will fade, but my money will not be gone without any good reason. The fact is, my income might increase from year to year, but you can’t be prettier year after year. Hence from the viewpoint of economics, I am an appreciation asset, and you are a depreciation asset. It’s not just normal depreciation, but exponential depreciation. If that is your only asset, your value will be much worried 10 years later. By the terms we use in Wall Street, every trading has a position, dating with you is also a “trading position”. If the trade value dropped we will sell it and it is not a good idea to keep it for long term – same goes with the marriage that you wanted. It might be cruel to say this, but in order to make a wiser decision any assets with great depreciation value will be sold or “leased”.

Anyone with over $500k annual income is not a fool; we would only date you, but will not marry you. I would advice that you forget looking for any clues to marry a rich guy. And by the way, you could make yourself to become a rich person with $500k annual income.

This has better chance than finding a rich fool.

Hope this reply helps. If you are interested in “leasing” services, do contact me…

signed,

J.P. Morgan

"I’m going to be honest of what I’m going to say here. I’m 25 this year. I’m very pretty, have style and good taste."

Stopped reading there.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

@Zimbabwe mate, everything is perspective. When I hear, everyone is getting married, I hear I am surrounded by morons. Get around better people.

 

[BeExcellent]

Note to board. Somebody mentioned the guy worth 500 M. Um. The guy worth 500 M has enough money that he is unconcerned often about divorce rape etc.

Gee. Why is that?

Well the guy worth 500 M can afford the very best attorneys money can buy and unless he was married BEFORE becoming that wealthy, (in which event the case can be made that his spouse helped or facilitated him gaining great wealth) no court is going to cut his assets in half if he brought that kind of wealth into the marriage to begin with.

You see this all the time. I knew of (for example) a wealthy recording artist that married an attractive woman, but not a particularly savvy or intelligent woman…her main draw was her looks & sex appeal. She filed for divorce, expecting a huge windfall. Nope. She got about 100K (a tiny fraction of his net worth) and had to sign a document affirming that she would never seek additional funds from him or take legal action against him again if she wanted that 100K. She was pissed that was all she got and that it was qualified by the legal documents. I thought she was terribly ungrateful. That’s enough money to live comfortably for a year and establish her own source of income. Drop in the bucket for him. He got fun & companionship and a housemate for the time in question (less than 2 years) and he wasn’t worried about the cost.

My point is that so called divorce rape affects the upwardly mobile middle class the worst. The poor don’t have assets to bicker over and the very wealthy can afford it and/or afford to mitigate it.

Think about it. If someone makes just 10 M a year that’s over 800K per month. That 100K is 12 % of one months income. Let’s say the whole process cost him 500K. Still negligible versus his income.

Some of you guys have no idea how real wealth works. Marriage can be a good idea depending on why a man desires it. But the very most important thing is choosing well for a partner.

A choice plenty of men in all income brackets foul up.