Every Woman Is On OLD (So If OLD Is Low Quality, Then All Women Are)

[Tenacity]

If you care so much, what are you actually doing about it?

I volunteer for various male empowerment groups and do a number of things to promote men's rights in society as well as, the legal system.

Does that answer your question? Now what are YOU doing about it? Oh....I forgot....you don't give a fvck.

 

[SuckItUp]

I agree with tenacity on this one.

The garbage women who are on online dating sites is merely a reflection of the garbage women who are out there.

I have dated fvcked up women from OLD, and I have dated equally fvcked up women who have never used OLD. Online dating is merely a more concentrated reflection of just how bad women generally are these days.

And I'm surprised that the guys on this thread who claim that women who are online are garbage but women who don't go online are high quality - but these are the same guys who write up threads on how they're single, can't find good women, or talk about how sh*tty women are as well as all the fvcked up reasons their relationships end..

It's not an either/or situation. Does going out and meeting women prevent bad behavior or bad attitudes from women? Not at all. That being said going out evens out the playing field to an extent. Whereas with online dating unless you look like a model you'll be judged on what a girl thinks of your picture or your e-mail to her.

Going out gives you a greater ability to judge body language and calibrate to situations.

I don't think anyone is saying that women out in the world have no issues or problems. It's just that it's easier circumvent reasons why they won't have sex with you through a myriad of tools at your disposal.

 

[SuckItUp]

Sure they are approached but online you don't have kino, alcohol, hot women hanging out, and whole host of other mitigating factors. Not to mention the ability to call out women in an interactive manner.

This is the area where guys and women fail. Socialization and the art of seduction.

OLD only makes it worse because of the lack of interaction. OLD almost becomes transactional and takes away the aura of seduction.

The beauty of attempting to seduce a woman that you've just run into is the ability to delve into states without preconceptions (save for initial perceptions).

Online she sees certain information and can make judgements in your photos and can think about her decisions. In person you can take advantage of the spontaneity of interaction and the lack of time for her to make a decision.

Of course people are judged by looks, but women don't look at the same way that men do.

 

[C00lAF]

Tenacity....back with another episode of....im always right and fk you all

 

[AlexKaiser]

The thing is, most of the girls who didn't get nutted in, not broke as hell, and not a Harley Quinn wannabe, probably will become that, once they invite those same fetid hags into their circle of friends.

Personal experience, saw a lot of girls who didn't meet any of the above criteria eventually morph into one of these unsavory types. Spent less time bettering themselves, more time with the harpy flock. Eventually turned into one of the people you just described.

Women surrounded by devolved women eventually devolve themselves. Bad influences and what not.

 

[Tenacity]

Sure they are approached but online you don't have kino, alcohol, hot women hanging out, and whole host of other mitigating factors. Not to mention the ability to call out women in an interactive manner.

This is the area where guys and women fail. Socialization and the art of seduction.

OLD only makes it worse because of the lack of interaction.

I do want to remind you that the point of this thread was to say that the women who are "online" are the same women that you would meet "in your local market". It's my theory that the women online don't come from a different PLANET, but are direct women from your local market.

You are getting into areas that don't even relate to the topic at hand here.

Tenacity is literally batting 0/250 women and he is lecturing us on OLD...This is madness. Bring home some hardware, then talk the smack.

Dude you're just talking just to talk now. Not even making any sense lol.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

It's amazing that I keep seeing arguments on this board about how women on OLD are seemingly women who have been dropped off from another planet somewhere, and it's nothing but a cesspool of TRASH.

My theory has always been that the women on OLD represent the collective women in your local market, so if the women you are interacting with on POF, OKC and Match in your area are TRASH, then that just goes to show the current status for the women in your area.

But let's not stop at POF, OKC, and Match in terms of including platforms that are OLD. Every guy here knows that 90% of women 21 - 45 are ON Facebook or some other type of Social Media.

- What is the difference between let's say a Facebook versus OKcupid? Nothing!

- Both are free
- Both allow the woman to get a lot of attention
- Both allow the woman to get her inbox FULL of guys trying to fvck/date her
- Both allow the woman to update her pics and get likes

- This is why Facebook created Tinder in the first place, they realize they are very similar to the dating websites so why not just add a dating app for Facebook users and call Facebook exactly what it is.......another dating site?

- There's NO difference between the OLD market and the General Market........because the General Market and the OLD Market is the SAME Market! Which means the Market is TRASH.

- Finding a woman of quality with no kids, good finances, no personality/attitude issues, and no looks related issues, is looking for a unicorn! NO matter where you look, be it online, church, or wherever.

- The best you can do is reduce your criteria down and learn to accept either a chick with kids, a chick with bad finances, a chick with personality/attitude problems, or a chick with looks related issues.

Nope. Met a girl in the bar, who only has Facebook to keep in touch with family through the Messenger function. As she stated in all sincerity, 'I do NOT scroll'. Perhaps a red-piller?

 

[AlexKaiser]

100% of all women are low quality crap eh?

I believe that what you're looking for is Sturgeon's Law.

And no, roughly 90% are.

 

[Solomon]

I think it's all subjective, esepcially you to your enivroment

For example you gonna have hotter women doing OLD if it's in LA/NYC/Toronto compared to North Dakota/Idaho/Minnesota
WHy? it's all numbers game at the end, you have more girls (espeically hot girls) in all those places alone (LA/NYC/Toronoto) than you would have all those places put togther (North Dakota/Idaho/Minneosta)

Take it from a guy who travels, online dating in those rural areas suck ass, you are better of hitting the field

whereas online dating in those other places you can actually get a hottie

 

[AlexKaiser]

Also don't forget: not all these women made OLD Profiles specifically for you.

There are other men trying to sling their meat into them. Some who devote their entire lives into getting *****. Their favorite video game is Grand Theft Vagina, their favorite book is Moby ****ing, their favorite song is Two Tickets To Paradise (in her pants), and their first words were "imma steal yo girl".

It's not you vs the girl, it's you vs a thousand other guys who are better looking vs her.

 

[Reykhel]

I'll never get that time back.

I'm sure I've read that thread in multiple variations again and again and again....

I know a lot of people and have known a lot of people over the years men and women who would cringe at the
very mention of online dating. Who would view it as taboo and something that only weirdos would do....

It simply is an unknown world to many people.

When men who have had difficulties attracting women or men who have been in relationships or marriages for years suddenly
find the "manosphere" or they find whatever dating or relationship book, they are often advised "hey get on the fvcking net man....get on
old!!! Get in the gym and get some decent pictures of yourself and post them on old! ***** yourself in a meat-shop! You'll clean up man!" Maybe they never would have considered it before. They jump right in. Now they become enmeshed in it. It's all they see. Women are flaky on the net? They are all like that, it's women, not me. Pack more muscle on take better pictures, earn more cash surely she will like you then.

Seen as we are making generalizations in this thread, here are few....

Women who are attractive and who are out and about socially have no need for OLD.......why? because they are getting hit on, on a regular basis.....

But wait wait wait!!!! That means that if they are getting hit on outside of old they are then logically "taken off the market" and thus are no longer available just leaving thrash in the "market" in and out of old??? Warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out tonight.......yes going out.........has no chance of bagging an attractive woman? because they are all taken right? warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out to day game would only have at his disposal the "thrash that's left", right? no chance of bagging an attractive female with day game, so......

Attractive women have no choice but to be in the game because they are getting approached.....a man has to actively approach if he is to be in the game.

Girls with social and psychological problems are probably not getting approached because they are listening to Korn sitting in their bedrooms self harming while the rest of the population is OUTSIDE, thus these woman take to OLD to connect with.......the don juans on old....

Men who are having success in bars with their friends have no need for OLD....

Men who have success with daygame have no need for OLD.....

Oh and Facebook is not a fvcking dating site.

 

[ThisNThat]

I'll never get that time back.

I'm sure I've read that thread in multiple variations again and again and again....

I know a lot of people and have known a lot of people over the years men and women who would cringe at the
very mention of online dating. Who would view it as taboo and something that only weirdos would do....

It simply is an unknown world to many people.

When men who have had difficulties attracting women or men who have been in relationships or marriages for years suddenly
find the "manosphere" or they find whatever dating or relationship book, they are often advised "hey get on the fvcking net man....get on
old!!! Get in the gym and get some decent pictures of yourself and post them on old! ***** yourself in a meat-shop! You'll clean up man!" Maybe they never would have considered it before. They jump right in. Now they become enmeshed in it. It's all they see. Women are flaky on the net? They are all like that, it's women, not me. Pack more muscle on take better pictures, earn more cash surely she will like you then.

Seen as we are making generalizations in this thread, here are few....

Women who are attractive and who are out and about socially have no need for OLD.......why? because they are getting hit on, on a regular basis.....

But wait wait wait!!!! That means that if they are getting hit on outside of old they are then logically "taken off the market" and thus are no longer available just leaving thrash in the "market" in and out of old??? Warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out tonight.......yes going out.........has no chance of bagging an attractive woman? because they are all taken right? warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out to day game would only have at his disposal the "thrash that's left", right? no chance of bagging an attractive female with day game, so......

Attractive women have no choice but to be in the game because they are getting approached.....a man has to actively approach if he is to be in the game.

Girls with social and psychological problems are probably not getting approached because they are listening to Korn sitting in their bedrooms self harming while the rest of the population is OUTSIDE, thus these woman take to OLD to connect with.......the don juans on old....

Men who are having success in bars with their friends have no need for OLD....

Men who have success with daygame have no need for OLD.....

Oh and Facebook is not a fvcking dating site.

I diversify between the two. I do OLD and Meetup events (not sure if anyone's heard of it)...some may think Meetup is not really THE way to meet women in real life, because it's organized,, but..hey..been doing it for years and gotten more dates through Meetup than with OLD.

I gave up approaching women in public, because every woman I approached in public were taken or married. But..it's probably due in part that I live in the suburbs where people get married to their high school sweet hearts and pop out babies before legal drinking age.

So you can't approach a woman in a store without her husband or boyfriend showing up.

I recall being only 19 and had a thing for a couple of ladies in my Pysch 101 class at a local community college ,both had engagement rings on their fingers. both aged 18 and 19. One their fiance's was stationed in the Air Force. So that's kind of forced me into at least organized Meetup events (best thing since sliced bread).

That's what I like about Meetup events, everyone is there to engage in conversation when approached, not get all weirded out with hair raising "stranger danger" concerns.

 

[Tenacity]

Women who are attractive and who are out and about socially have no need for OLD.......why? because they are getting hit on, on a regular basis.....

This doesn't mean anything. OLD, Facebook, the Gym, the Club, the College Club, Wendys, etc., these are just places that women in your local market gather to to socialize, meet people, etc. OLD is just ONE place out of many, but OLD has the exact, same, women on it that you would meet anywhere else in that local market. The women on OLD stay right next door to you, they were not dropped off from some other planet.

I know a lot of people and have known a lot of people over the years men and women who would cringe at the
very mention of online dating. Who would view it as taboo and something that only weirdos would do....

There's also still a lot of people who cringe at the aspect of:

- Online banking
- Doing business online
- Finishing your degree online
- Managing your healthcare online
- Managing your investments online
- Working from home online
- Shopping online
- The fact that at least 35% of all business transactions are starting from a "search" made online

They can cringe all they want, the FACT is that many aspects of our lives are occurring online today. That's a FACT, not my opinion, a pure/utter FACT. We are no longer in 1996 when "being online" was just something you did for about 1 hour on a free AOL CD or something.

But wait wait wait!!!! That means that if they are getting hit on outside of old they are then logically "taken off the market" and thus are no longer available just leaving thrash in the "market" in and out of old??? Warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out tonight.......yes going out.........has no chance of bagging an attractive woman? because they are all taken right? warped logic.

This logic would mean that any man going out to day game would only have at his disposal the "thrash that's left", right? no chance of bagging an attractive female with day game, so......

No, the "logic" is that the QUALITY women are no longer on the market. They have never been on the market. The women on the market right now (no matter if they are HB5 or HB8) have MAJOR flaws with them that make being with them in a relationship a pain in the a.ss. That's what I've been saying. That's not something only exclusive to OLD women, that's exclusive to women in the market PERIOD, even if you meet her at Wendy's.

Oh and Facebook is not a fvcking dating site.

I would really love for you to logically break down what's the difference between Facebook in 2017 and POF/OKC in 2017? Once again:

- Both are free
- Both allow the woman to get a lot of attention
- Both allow the woman to get her inbox FULL of guys trying to fvck/date her
- Both allow the woman to update her pics and get likes

Women are using Facebook just like they would use POF/OKC, just that Facebook also includes her friends, family, and associates as well.....but women are indeed using it for the same attention and same cherry picking of "men she might date" like they do with POF/OKC. Furthermore, many women on POF are posting their Facebook and Instagram page links now, which further brings home my point.

 

[Desdinova]

This doesn't mean anything. OLD, Facebook, the Gym, the Club, the College Club, Wendys, etc., these are just places that women in your local market gather to to socialize, meet people, etc. OLD is just ONE place out of many, but OLD has the exact, same, women on it that you would meet anywhere else in that local market. The women on OLD stay right next door to you, they were not dropped off from some other planet.

The difference between Facebook and OLD is that it's implied that the women on OLD sites are looking to date. This implication does not exist with Facebook.

Women have to specifically say to themselves "I should try to find a man online" when they sign up for OLD. When they join Facebook, they say "I want to keep updated with what my friends are doing". Women don't fvck (nor have a desire to fvck) the people they view as friends.

The difference between Facebook and OLD is sexual implication. Women sign up on OLD to find a man, and many stay for the attention. Many other women do not stay on OLD after they've experienced the influx of desperate betas. Those are the women that are worth dating.

 

[bigneil]

How can you say all women are on OLD? Where is the evidence?

You think gorgeous 20 year old women with 1000 Facebook friends are on Match.com?

I have regularly seduced women 20+ years younger than me in real life for 6 years. Since 1997 I've dated girls 10+ years younger than me. I have ZERO chance of doing that online.

 

[ThisNThat]

I would really love for you to logically break down what's the difference between Facebook in 2017 and POF/OKC in 2017? Once again:

- Both are free
- Both allow the woman to get a lot of attention
- Both allow the woman to get her inbox FULL of guys trying to fvck/date her
- Both allow the woman to update her pics and get likes

Women are using Facebook just like they would use POF/OKC, just that Facebook also includes her friends, family, and associates as well.....but women are indeed using it for the same attention and same cherry picking of "men she might date" like they do with POF/OKC. Furthermore, many women on POF are posting their Facebook and Instagram page links now, which further brings home my point.

Furthermore, many women on POF are posting their Facebook and Instagram page links now, which further brings home my point.

VERY spot on. I've noticed hardly any difference between OKC and other dating sites and social media sites. In fact, I'm noticing the characteristics of a dating profile markedly familiar to that of a FB profile.

Sexy selfies or seductive poses.

In fact, I've seen women on POF include their INSTAGRAM handle IN their profile. Of course, this invites men from outside the site to dig a little deeper into her world via the cyberworld.

It's like online dating has become an EXTENSION of their Facebook account for stacking on the attention seeking.

Sometimes you can hardly tell the difference.

Sometimes, if I do a Google search on their screen name, it may tie it into finding her on Facebook and I contact her there instead so that way I don't have to concern myself with a full inbox of male prospects.

That way, even if they are on FB, you can use that as a means to contact them because you know they are "single and looking." It's kind of crossing over of worlds. lol

 

[Serenity]

@Tenacity
"Woman is registered on Facebook, thus she is low quality". Everyone is on Facebook, you're fvcked dude.

You should increase your salt intake, it's leaking out of your eyes.

 

[ThisNThat]

Also, I've been on online dating sites long enough to see the same faces of these overly picky women that are STILL on the site. I've come full circle and pretty much have emailed them all (at least the ones that I found nominally cute).

I took a year long break from POF , came back, still the same spinsters do exist. lol. Sometimes I'd email them a few weeks/months later only to discover I've been blocked the first time or ignored.

There's only a finite amount of them.

 

[Tenacity]

Des,

You make some excellent points, but let me ask you some follow up questions.....

The difference between Facebook and OLD is that it's implied that the women on OLD sites are looking to date. This implication does not exist with Facebook.

Good point, but here's my question.

- Person A goes to church deliberately looking to be programmed with the religious indoctrination because, they have convinced themselves (through suggestions from others or just through trying to be more moral in life) that operating their life through the religious indoctrination is the way to go.

- Person B goes to church because a friend dragged them into it. They aren't looking to be programmed, but they are just participating within the medium because their "friends are participating on it". BUT, while participating, they have to sit down and watch/listen to the service, and the religious indoctrination begins to sweep them up just like it's doing everybody else in attendance.

- Conclusion: Does it truly matter why and how a person "entered", if the end result will ultimately end up being the same? When an attractive girl goes on Facebook, it's because her friends dragged her into it and not because she's deliberately looking for a "man". But when she gets on Facebook, her inbox is going to be FULL (as well as her friends request) with dudes trying to be her "man" and she will ultimately be swept up into the situation of entertaining the multiple men in some capacity.

Women sign up on OLD to find a man, and many stay for the attention. Many other women do not stay on OLD after they've experienced the influx of desperate betas. Those are the women that are worth dating.

This I agree with, it's just difficult to tell who that woman is and how to find said woman?

You see ultimately my BIGGER point here, is that the online social media/online dating world is making American women worse. They were bad before, NOW, with all of the attention they are getting online (even if they are HB4) their attitudes, entitlements, bad behaviors, weight problems, multiple kids with no accountability, bad finances because some Simp will take care of her anyway, etc., etc., etc., continue to get WORSE as more and more men are now being seen as accepting of the behavior.

Why should they change for the better? They become more SET in their horrible ways, which makes their horrible ways even worse.

 

[wifehunter]

Most are worthless garbage...get comfortable being alone, or suffer.