Ever beat a speeding ticket?

[SmoothTalker]

Keep in mind Penkitten, that, at least here in Ontario where I am, women get a much easier time from insurance companies. I know girls that have crashed 3 cars in a year (all their fault), and still pay less insurance than I do with a perfect record.

So here at least, 1 speeding ticket for a female is a mistake they overlook, one speeding ticket for a guy is proof of the conclusion they had already made that you're a dangerous aggressive driver.

For the record, I've never been pulled over, never been in an accident, and have been told many times that I am a better than average driver, so I'm not just bitter because I got a ticket or something.. The speed limits and car insurance are just extremely unfair.

 

[penkitten]

http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/OARS_700/OAR_735/735_072.html
Traffic tickets in the State of Oregon can be addressed fairly simply, or they can impact your driving privileges if you do not deal with them according to the state's requirements and laws, overseen by Oregon courts.

The Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) does not operate a point system like other states, but instead relies on its Driver Improvement Program to promote good driving and discourage repeat violations.

Oregon motorists must participate in the Driver Improvement Program if convicted of multiple offenses including speeding, running red lights, failure to signal for lane changes, and multiple accidents.

The program is described in depth on the Oregon State Archives' Web site.

The DMV may restrict or suspend your driving privileges if you have multiple traffic tickets or accidents. The number and type of offenses or incidents, and when they were committed, are also considered in such penalties.If you are 19 or older and you are convicted of any of the following offenses, the DMV will restrict your driving privileges for 30 days. You will be prohibited from driving between midnight and 5 a.m., except for work:

* three convictions in 18 months

* three accidents in 18 months

* a combination of three convictions or accidents in 18 months

DMV will also restrict your driving privileges for 30 days if you are convicted of any of the following offenses:

* four convictions in 24 months

* four accidents in 24 months

* a total of four convictions and/or accidents in 24 months


Regardless of current or previous suspensions, the DMV may further suspend your driving privileges for Driver Improvement Program violations or preventable accidents, or for five traffic tickets or incidents within two years.For teenage drivers 18 and younger, the Oregon DMV restricts driving privileges for 90 days for the following:

* two convictions

* two accidents

* a combination of one conviction and one accident
You may drive to, from, or during work, but may not have any passengers other than your parents, step parents, or guardians.

Another traffic ticket or accident during the restricted driving period will result in another loss of driving privileges for another six months, even if you turn 18 during your suspension.

Each additional Driver Improvement Program violation or preventable accident will result in a six-month suspension, in addition to your current or previous penalties.

The Driver Improvement Program restrictions on teen drivers are separate from the provisional license restrictions Oregon already places on teen drivers
Paying traffic tickets in Oregon varies by county and city, but is generally outlined on the traffic ticket itself. It will show how much the fine is, where to send it, and a court date to appear if challenging it.

DMV recommends dealing with tickets in a timely manner, whether you're challenging any charges or alleged offenses, or paying the fine.
The Oregon DMV may suspend or revoke your driving privileges if you fail to respond to citations or appear as ordered.

The DMV may also require you to participate in the Driver Improvement Program, Oregon's version of a point system that deals with multiple infractions or incidents.

Most counties offer traffic diversion or other programs for some offenses, if drivers have not already been compelled to participate in the Driver Improvement Program, and are otherwise eligible.

Some diversion programs offer online courses or in-classroom courses on driving safety. However, before enrolling, make sure that the program is acceptable to the Oregon jurisdiction where the citation was issued.

Tickets from out of state may also impact your Oregon driver license application, or privileges in the state. The most common reasons Oregon suspends licenses of non-residents are unpaid tickets or unreported accidents.

You may contact the Oregon DMV at (503) 945-5400 to find out why your privileges have been suspended. You will have to pay a $75 reinstatement fee to address the issue, in addition to meeting all other Oregon requirements.



if you were going 51 in a 35 you were 16 mph over the limit, if you were going 55 in a 35 you were 20 mph over. in most states, 20 mph over is another separate charge of reckless driving.

 

[azanon]

Azanon:
Arbitrarily low, illegitimate speed limits have nothing to do with responsible driving. Most speed limits are posted illegally, and you can use that fact to your advantage in court if you argue it right.

And i'm sure you're the spokesman for what is and is not arbitrary?

Assuming you deciphered the sarcasm, you now realize how silly and meaningless your comment was.

 

[azanon]

A false statement, and a true statement.


Points do not get wiped away. It's not true. It only appears that way if you had 1 point 3 years ago, and a new violation requires that you had 0 points within last 2 years. Then they appear wiped away.

Points do not get wiped away. They accumulate throughout your life time. Eventually, if you get enough points, you will loose your driving privilege in that state.

They do in Arkansas, not sure about your state. I speak from direct, personal experience.

Yes, i once was an irresponsible driver when I was younger and had many speeding tickets.

True. Paying for lawyer is costly. But IMO it's well worth the money. Because you won't get any points.

Assuming you win (a huge assumption, when you are guilty to begin with).

 

[Obsidian]

And i'm sure you're the spokesman for what is and is not arbitrary?

No, federal law is. Go to page 13 (out of 60) in the link, and step out of the Matrix, man.

After an engineering study has been made in accordance with established traffic engineering practices, the Speed Limit (R2-1) sign shall display the limit established by law, ordinance, regulation, or as adopted by the authorized agency. The speed limits shown shall be in multiples of 10 km/h (5 mph).

When a speed limit is to be posted, it should be the 85th-percentile speed of freeflowing traffic, rounded up to the nearest 10 km/h (5 mph) increment.

States and cities routinely ignore these regulations. Tennessee actually has similar laws built into the Tennessee Code (as does California) so it's a little easier to argue in court. I'm not real sure about Oregon, however. I've looked through their statutes, and I don't think they have any state laws requiring an engineering survey

That's not to say that you are guilty. On the contrary, federal law is sufficient grounds for declaring you not guilty, but a lot of low-level judges won't care as much about federal law. So you may have to appeal.

What you need to do is call up the Oregon Department of Transportation and ask to talk to the person responsible for overseeing the speed limits. Ask for his name and contact info, and ask him if there is an engineering speed survey for the road you got ticketed on. There won't be. Then you have to go to the courthouse and pick up a subpoena form. Subpoena that guy you talked to, and ask him to bring (called a "subpoena deuces tecum") with him the engineering survey for the road. When he can't produce it on your trial date, tell the judge that the speed limit doesn't comply with the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices -- and that it is unenforceable because it violates federal law.

You need to summon the guy to your trial date, not just for your arraignment. Find out if your trial will be on the date listed on your ticket or if it's just a hearing to set a trial. There's no point in wasting the Transportation guy's time.


If the judge doesn't heed your argument, go ahead and question the officer (if he shows up) about your case to try to make him look like an idiot. Then if you lose, which you probably will if the judge ignores the federal law, consider appealing to a higher, more legitimate court.

 

[HandyAndy]

Yea my brother works at In n Out, a famous family owned food chain in only 4 states in the US. Anyways he closed up with his manager and other employees, they went to eat Dennys late at night and the streets were empty, so he decided to speed and a cop caught him, he asks " what are you doing? do you know how fast you were going?!" My brother has on his work clothes and he said some ****, idk what it was, and the cop let him go, the police officers around that are are famous for letting in n out workers slide, becuase they get discounts at the store anyways

 

[Yapper]

Mmm, Obsidian, what kind of costs/time do you think I am looking at appealing to a higher level court? I'm just iffy on whether it'd be worth the effort.

Do you know of any case where the engineering speed survey thing has been contested and won?

 

[Suicide]

That defense will NEVER work.

 

[Obsidian]

Do you know of any case where the engineering speed survey thing has been contested and won?

Actually, I don't see any relevant appeals court cases from your state. I know people use that defense in California sometimes, and I know that the Tennessee Appeals court has confirmed its validity recently (Oak Ridge v. Brown, 2005). Your state looks pretty screwed up, tho, legally speaking. I'm not sure if it would work for you very well.

If you can't get any kind of traffic school deal, though, you might just try it anyway, considering you have nothing to lose.

And you, Suicide, are a very ignorant and non-visionary male. It HAS worked, just maybe not in Oregon. That's why I asked where Yapper lived...

 

[bigjohnson]

I've beaten traffic citations here in Oregon because the principle of the thing ticked me off. I hired a lawyer and beat the citation, but the cost was higher than the citation was by a long shot.

I just cared less about the money than the principle.